Lloyd gone.

[Nikita Blue]

No fan of Lloyd's however if Hawthorn players want to know what a real sniper looks like they just have to look at their coach.

 

[pazza]

1) Did Lloyd intentionally injure Sewell?

Difficult to ever prove intent in a situation like this - unless it can be shown that Lloyd did eye-off Sewell before contact, as in looking for a spot to hit, then it'll be hard for intent to be proven.

2) Is there a difference between the Buddy incident and the Lloyd incident

Absolutely. Buddy's a pure bump. Lloyd's was front-on contact.

3) Essendon are arguing that Lloyd was pushed - what are your thoughts?

It has been shown that Schoenmakers did make contact with Lloyd from behind before the incident occurred. The questions you have to ask are: was it a push? was the contact enough to put Lloyd off balance? Did the contact have a direct impact on the incident as a whole? Will be a challenge to answer all of those questions.

4) How many weeks do you think Lloyd will get

I'm going 3 weeks, with Lloyd able to get it down to 2 with an early plea.

5) How many weeks do you think Lloyd should get

1 at most.

 

[thefalcon]

Lloyd's arms are also coming out to protect himself.

The more I look at it, the more I am unsure.

Sure, I am an Essendon fan.

But there is absolutuly NO DISPUTE he was shoved into that hit.

The tribunal will have to weight that up.

I just wish the media would show the whole incident from the wide view, not the zoomed in one which just shows the hit.

the obvious conclusion is that clarkson ordered shoenmakers to push lloyd in to sewell so that we could lose the game in order to obtain a higher draft pick

HAWTHORN ARE TANKING!

 

[SydneyBomber]

It's a slap in your face when your own words come back to haunt you.

(...assorted dribble...)

debateable whether that slap is any harder than brown's effort yesterday.

especially considering both were as harmful as being beaten with a wet lettuce leaf?

 

[Schmucta]

The only similariity is was that their opponents got concussed. In all other aspects they are totally different.

1. Lloyd was running at high speed while Franklin was stationary.
2. Sewell had his head over the ball while Cousins had the ball in his possession and was running.
3. Franklin made full body contact on Cousins including incidental head high contact. It was a bump. Lloyd made no body contact at all on Sewell except to the head. It was not a bump. It was a charge. They wont even be reported for the same offence.
4. Franklin had a split second to decide what to do. Lloyd made a premeditated decision to charge in at the centre bounce and cause some damage, not unlike Yeats on Brereton.

OOOPS maybe I was too premature in saying that the last post was the biggest load of rubbish.

Not unlike Yeats on Brereton?? You can't be serious can you??? One was a definitive behind the play sniper attack, ball nowhere to be seen, both players not in the play..... The other was a contested ball, a collision eventuated, and a player was knocked out.

Very much unlike each other, and to argue otherwise is the height of stupidity.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Have to laugh at the tit for tat!

Just debate the merit of the argument at hand!

I believe - what we don't want to see is front on hits with blokes with their head down.

This is what Lloyd did - and he deserves a month off IMO

And i believe this has been the case for the past decade

 

[mantis]

and as for Campbell 'pillar of honour and honesty' Brown...

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Seems like he set him up to snipe him.....

HA HA, talking of serial snipers.

 

[Paul Kersey]

You can also post countless videos of Brown putting his head over the ball, running back with the flight and generally injuring himself for the sake of the team. He's like Brereton in that way, hands it out but also takes it and puts himself in positions where he will cop it. Can honestly say I can't recall Lloyd ever doing any of the abovementioned things, he's a pretty soft/cowardly player.

 

[marcuz]

You can also post countless videos of Brown putting his head over the ball, running back with the flight and generally injuring himself for the sake of the team. He's like Brereton in that way, hands it out but also takes it and puts himself in positions where he will cop it. Can honestly say I can't recall Lloyd ever doing any of the abovementioned things, he's a pretty soft/cowardly player.

Lloyd doesnt attack the footy hard and put his head over the ball? i must have been living on another planet these last 14 years.

 

[pricefixer]

1) Did Lloyd intentionally injure Sewell?

Difficult to ever prove intent in a situation like this - unless it can be shown that Lloyd did eye-off Sewell before contact, as in looking for a spot to hit, then it'll be hard for intent to be proven.

I'd say Lloyd has gone out after half time, probably after a rev-up, to impose himself on the game. Did he intend to have the effect on Sewell that eventuated? Probably not, but he was no doubt looking to run hard in the direction of the ball and either get the ball or a Hawthorn player.

2) Is there a difference between the Buddy incident and the Lloyd incident

Absolutely. Buddy's a pure bump. Lloyd's was front-on contact.

Definite difference in the two bumps. The Franklin case was ridiculous I actually thought Cousins ran into Franklin as much as anything and Franklin has braced his body for the contact. Looking it at the time on the TV I didn't even think it high and thought it was play on.

The Lloyd bump, was very much the reason for the tougher bumping rules that sees the head as sacrosanct, the incident reminds me of the Neil Sasche incident. A player with the head over the ball half stooped and leaning forward and playing the ball has been split straight up the centre - whilst, Sewell's injuries are serious it could have been much worse, Sasche became a paraplegic.

3)

Essendon are arguing that Lloyd was pushed - what are your thoughts?

It has been shown that Schoenmakers did make contact with Lloyd from behind before the incident occurred. The questions you have to ask are: was it a push? was the contact enough to put Lloyd off balance? Did the contact have a direct impact on the incident as a whole? Will be a challenge to answer all of those questions.

That is just hopeful thinking on the part of someone who is an essendon moderator. Schoenmakers had no impact on the collision, whatsoever, as indicated earlier Lloyd was looking to assert himself on the game which is the reason for his running hard off the line and at the congested ball, he wasn't too fussy who he hit.

From recollection, Lloyd has history in this area, having smashed Thurgood's jaw a few years back. An incident, that basically destroyed Thurgood's AFL career, as he was never the same after that incident.

4) How many weeks do you think Lloyd will get

I'm going 3 weeks, with Lloyd able to get it down to 2 with an early plea.

Probably, three weeks. Essendon normally get favourable treatment from the officiating instruments of the AFL. McClaren was a big help on the weekend as well.

5) How many weeks do you think Lloyd should get

1 at most.

[/QUOTE]

He should get the severest penalty of any player that has fronted the tribunal in recent times. There was sufficient intent, head high and reckless; the player he has hit has suffered severe injuries which as explained could have been much worse.

I think it should be a 5 weeks and up penalty.

 

[Schmucta]

You can also post countless videos of Brown putting his head over the ball, running back with the flight and generally injuring himself for the sake of the team. He's like Brereton in that way, hands it out but also takes it and puts himself in positions where he will cop it. Can honestly say I can't recall Lloyd ever doing any of the abovementioned things, he's a pretty soft/cowardly player.

Unlike Brereton, he then goes on radio to whinge/moan/cry about another players attack on the ball. Very un-Brereton like, and doesn't seem like he can take it very well in my eyes.

 

[OzBomber]

You can also post countless videos of Brown putting his head over the ball, running back with the flight and generally injuring himself for the sake of the team. He's like Brereton in that way, hands it out but also takes it and puts himself in positions where he will cop it. Can honestly say I can't recall Lloyd ever doing any of the abovementioned things, he's a pretty soft/cowardly player.

Mmm, as already posted in the thread.

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Many more as well.

 

[QuietB]

OOOPS maybe I was too premature in saying that the last post was the biggest load of rubbish.

Not unlike Yeats on Brereton?? You can't be serious can you??? One was a definitive behind the play sniper attack, ball nowhere to be seen, both players not in the play..... The other was a contested ball, a collision eventuated, and a player was knocked out.

Very much unlike each other, and to argue otherwise is the height of stupidity.

You are right - very much unlike each other. Yeates actually hit Brereton in the body as opposed to Lloyd who just smashed Sewell in the head. But since Sewell had his head over the ball you think it is ok?

If you watch the side on view just before impact Lloyd has his head nice and high out of harms way as he accelerates into the "accident".

I can just see the defence. EFC - He was going for the ball. Tribunal - why was he looking at the sky? This is why Lloyd is in a lot of trouble. His intent was to instigate contact and he made zero effort to protect Sewell's head - in fact all he did was try and protect his own. Coward.

 

[mantis]

.BLAH BLAH BLAH

Team: Unlisted, Location: Hobart, enough said.

 

[BirdHawk]

The Judd vs Lloyd post tells the story. Look at it closely. Judd has eyes for the ball, as always. Lloyd does not look at the ball, just at the ball player. Reported tonight on Fox Sports that Sewell has a broken cheeck and fractured eye socket. 4 weeks minimum, and Lonergan and Ryder must go also. 1 week each.

 

[pricefixer]

Team: Unlisted, Location: Hobart, enough said.

What happened to your embarassing thread, yesterday. The one posters from all clubs were labelling the worst they'd seen on BigFooty. I guess the mods had to spare you from further embarassment by moving it.

 

[Schmucta]

You are right - very much unlike each other. Yeates actually hit Brereton in the body as opposed to Lloyd who just smashed Sewell in the head. But since Sewell had his head over the ball you think it is ok?

If you watch the side on view just before impact Lloyd has his head nice and high out of harms way as he accelerates into the "accident".

I can just see the defence. EFC - He was going for the ball. Tribunal - why was he looking at the sky? This is why Lloyd is in a lot of trouble. His intent was to instigate contact and he made zero effort to protect Sewell's head - in fact all he did was try and protect his own. Coward.

It means it was a collision in play, unlike being picked off, either in the body or the head being insignificant, behind the play.

And one of two things is wrong here, when the collision occurs it is almost a head clash, therefore, either Sewell's head was not over the ball as you have stated, or Lloyd's head was not nice and high out of harms way. Which is it Einstein?

And show me where I said I was forming a defence for his Tribunal hearing.

You knob

 

[Schmucta]

The Judd vs Lloyd post tells the story. Look at it closely. Judd has eyes for the ball, as always. Lloyd does not look at the ball, just at the ball player. Reported tonight on Fox Sports that Sewell has a broken cheeck and fractured eye socket. 4 weeks minimum, and Lonergan and Ryder must go also. 1 week each.

Let me guess, Bateman gets off yeah?

Yep, clearly you are unbiased...

 

[tandino]

Anybody catch Brad Hardie's comments tonight?

Hawthorn player under investigation for eye gouging, apparently.

 

[QuietB]

It means it was a collision in play, unlike being picked off, either in the body or the head being insignificant, behind the play.

And one of two things is wrong here, when the collision occurs it is almost a head clash, therefore, either Sewell's head was not over the ball as you have stated, or Lloyd's head was not nice and high out of harms way. Which is it Einstein?

And show me where I said I was forming a defence for his Tribunal hearing.

You knob

It was "almost a head clash". Nice - open you eyes freak. He hits Sewell deliberately with the point of his shuolder. Just because the ball was there doesn't mean Lloyd wasn't "picking him off". If Lloyd was a ball player his hands would have been down there competing for it - but he is not always a ball player is he.

 

[SydneyBomber]

Actually Lloyd did try to avoid all contact ran away like a girl after he hit Sewell, but had nowhere to go.... That's a man who knows he has done something stupid.

erm, he had 3 hawthorn players hanging off him during the resulting melee. not quite sure how that constitutes 'running away' like some of you peanuts are suggesting?

I haven't heard him whining like a stuck pig about being coathangered by bateman either?

Notice though how you didn't respond to the TRUTH that Essendon dirty tactics are what brought about the Hawthorn aggression in 2004.

Too hard to swallow?

nope not at all, substitute your use of the word 'dirty tactics' for 'unsociable football', and see if you can see any parallels between our teams during periods of success over the past 10 years?

that's what makes all of the bleating and hypocrisy coming out of the hfc even funnier to the rest of the us.

 

[mxett]

Amazing how the entire Ch9 footy panel backed Lloyd's actions as accidental and unavoidable.

BT said Lloyd was so low coming in to the contact that he almost clashed heads with Sewel. It was only a last second move by Sewel that made the contact strike the lower jaw NOT head high.

They all agreed Lloyd is a hard but fair player and NOT a sniper! In fact they praised him for his leadership in the game!

They took pot-shots at Brown for his outrageous outburst!

They took a shot at Clarkson for a career of sniper acts!

They took at shot at Hawthorn for being hypocritical!

They condoned Essendon's official response today on yesterdays events!

These are the words of an impartial football expert panel.

Good to get a little perspective.

 

[dumb]

without supporting either side (and adding a redundant post), i love the theatre in it all, as well as the fiery debate, as childish as some of it is. great to see some passion about the game.

 

[Hawk Dork]

So Lloyd has some mates at 9

 

[Schmucta]

It was "almost a head clash". Nice - open you eyes freak. He hits Sewell deliberately with the point of his shuolder. Just because the ball was there doesn't mean Lloyd wasn't "picking him off". If Lloyd was a ball player his hands would have been down there competing for it - but he is not always a ball player is he.

LOVE IT!!!

And somewhere on here they call Lloyd mediocre haha, to actually make Sewell collect the ball and raise his head at just the right time so that he can deliberately execute his picking him off plan that was put in place some 15-20m away when he started to charge at the contest, well how this is mediocre is beyond me. I would say magical, the stars were aligned for just a very short time i suppose.

Get a grip sunshine