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thebigboy said:
Why would it not suprise me if Sheedy takes the $1500 fine and brings in Gumbelton.

Ive noticed that apart from Gilham and Croad, there backline is pretty small.
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I don't think we make the same mistake as we did with Collingwood and play to top heavy, bring in a running type as Hawks are full of run.
 
Looks like it was a bigger mistake to play him in the Anzac Day game than first thought. Now instead of being out one game we lose him effectively for 3 :confused:

Slattery also barely got over the line and is now out. :confused:

Oh well... I'm confident that Johns can stand up as I have liked what I have seen from him this year. This is his chance and it's time to shine. Anything less than 4 goals will be disappointing.
 

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thebigboy said:
Why would it not suprise me if Sheedy takes the $1500 fine and brings in Gumbelton.

Ive noticed that apart from Gilham and Croad, there backline is pretty small.
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Gumby did his hammy on wednesday, you wont see him for at least 4 weeks.
 
Astute Observer said:
I can tell you 100% that he was in doubt at 11:00am on Anzac Day and was unlikely to play at that stage - so certainly no B.S last week.
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Actually he was passed to play at around 11am , watched him do the fitness test ;)
 
Whats with the hammys lately, we had a full list at Rd 1, and everyweek someone is doing a hammy? plz explain anyone
What are we doing to fix it? Happens every year i cant believe its happening again. WHAT IS GOING ON ??
 
I think we can turn this into a positive. This really give Johns the opportunity to play as focal point in the goal square. I think Johns is really best suited to the goal square as when he plays down the ground, he tends to get lost at this stage. Predominantly playing from the goal square without the presence of Lloyd should be really interesting to see and will give us an opportunity to see the development of JOhns into an afl footballer. This is really a massive opportunity for the big fella
 
Definately could be a positive..Courtney is now FF for atleast a month id reckon so if he can kick 4 a game then that would be a very good return..Typical for Gumby to do his hammy at the same time..You have to wonder what the hell is going on with injuries..

FF: Welsh Johns Davey
HF:Lovett Lucas Monfries

We still have a very good forward structure so its all good..
 
M29 said:
If he ran laps today as you suggested, then his hammy can't be anywhere near as bad as what is being reported.
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No it is not , just not taking any risks at this stage of the year. When you watch him run he doesnt look like he is having any problems with it at all.
 
essendon said:
Whats with the hammys lately, we had a full list at Rd 1, and everyweek someone is doing a hammy? plz explain anyone
What are we doing to fix it? Happens every year i cant believe its happening again. WHAT IS GOING ON ??
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There are a couple of things here. All clubs have been getting more hammy injuries. The experts are saying it has to do with the increased fitness/speed work that all clubs are doing.
Some of ours (Winders,Cole and Lloyd) have not really been serious strains but more the fact that players have been feeling tightness so we have backed off their training immediatly rather than press on and risking a serious strain.
There is now way to fix it so to speak, it is the only injury that has been increasing across the whole AFL in recent years.
 
J.Hetfield said:
Definately could be a positive..Courtney is now FF for atleast a month id reckon so if he can kick 4 a game then that would be a very good return..Typical for Gumby to do his hammy at the same time..You have to wonder what the hell is going on with injuries..

FF: Welsh Johns Davey
HF:Lovett Lucas Monfries

We still have a very good forward structure so its all good..
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Agreed. This is where it's John's turn to put his hand up and kick a few. To me it doesn't look like a bad forward structure at all.
 

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kelvin_sheedy said:
Looks like it was a bigger mistake to play him in the Anzac Day game than first thought. Now instead of being out one game we lose him effectively for 3 :confused:
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Couldn't agree more- player management at Essendon ( Doc Reid Quinn et al } is a shocker. They have no idea about balancing the need to get your best player on the park, and injury recovery, player preservation. I think Hird should not have played 3 games in 11 days either. Another shocker. It makes me worry about Winderlich and Welsh now. :(
 
Dont blame john quinn in regards to Sheedy playing under done or injured players.

Quinn has no say in that regard as soon as Doc Reid passes them to play that is it.
 
stander said:
Couldn't agree more- player management at Essendon ( Doc Reid Quinn et al } is a shocker. They have no idea about balancing the need to get your best player on the park, and injury recovery, player preservation. I think Hird should not have played 3 games in 11 days either. Another shocker. It makes me worry about Winderlich and Welsh now. :(
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And you knowing exactly what goes on behind closed doors makes you an expert :rolleyes:

So do tell me Mr Expert , are we dealing with injuries in the same way as we have in the past ?
 

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ant555 said:
And you knowing exactly what goes on behind closed doors makes you an expert :rolleyes:

So do tell me Mr Expert , are we dealing with injuries in the same way as we have in the past ?
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So, Mr. hard working Ant robus, you think Lloydy passing a fitness test makes it O.K for him to play Anzac Day? There are anecdotes about our player management post and pre- game that would make your jaw drop, for the wrong reasons.
And you get them from being "behind closed doors"

We all know things are being done differently because Sheeds is a progressive coach :rolleyes:

By the way, you still haven't named the new guys doing the training programs and the rehab that you lauded in a previous post.
 
stander said:
So, Mr. hard working Ant robus, you think Lloydy passing a fitness test makes it O.K for him to play Anzac Day? There are anecdotes about our player management post and pre- game that would make your jaw drop, for the wrong reasons.
And you get them from being "behind closed doors"

We all know things are being done differently because Sheeds is a progressive coach :rolleyes:

By the way, you still haven't named the new guys doing the training programs and the rehab that you lauded in a previous post.
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Dont put words in my mouth about LLoyd , i am on record saying he shouldnt have played but we are hardly the first club to play a star player when he was less than 100%.

So you have anecdotes we do tell ! Come on , you are always big on talking riddles but never big on backing anything up. Obviously you have heard storys from someone who was/is involved. Dont just stick your head halfway out and then run back to your hole.
As far as our high performance staff goes you can find out if you are so smart. I simply heard from a few people outside our club that one of the new guys was very highly regarded (from someone involved with the Eastern Rangers and Someone involved with Sandringham FC).
Somewhat of a double standard that you seem to want me to tell all about what i have heard but you only serve up that there are anecdotes. Yes there are i have heard some of them. I know Gary Moorcrfot has supposadly not got a lot of complimentary things to say. Have heard a few more that go way back to Max Crow and his comments on Sheeds (some of my inlaws worked with Max at Bulla).
 
ant555 said:
Dont put words in my mouth about LLoyd , i am on record saying he shouldnt have played but we are hardly the first club to play a star player when he was less than 100%.

So you have anecdotes we do tell ! Come on , you are always big on talking riddles but never big on backing anything up. Obviously you have heard storys from someone who was/is involved. Dont just stick your head halfway out and then run back to your hole.
As far as our high performance staff goes you can find out if you are so smart. I simply heard from a few people outside our club that one of the new guys was very highly regarded (from someone involved with the Eastern Rangers and Someone involved with Sandringham FC).
Somewhat of a double standard that you seem to want me to tell all about what i have heard but you only serve up that there are anecdotes. Yes there are i have heard some of them. I know Gary Moorcrfot has supposadly not got a lot of complimentary things to say. Have heard a few more that go way back to Max Crow and his comments on Sheeds (some of my inlaws worked with Max at Bulla).
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Sorry Ant robus, I only recall you saying Lloydy was in doubt, I can't remember you saying he shouldn't play. Did you ?

Yes, Maxie Crow and Moorcroft have their opinions on Sheeds- so do Peter Somerville, Tim Watson, Greg Anderson and Jame Hird.

Incidentally, I think your hearing anecdotes about these new player management guys yourself.
 
stander said:
Sorry Ant robus, I only recall you saying Lloydy was in doubt, I can't remember you saying he shouldn't play. Did you ?

Yes, Maxie Crow and Moorcroft have their opinions on Sheeds- so do Peter Somerville, Tim Watson, Greg Anderson and Jame Hird.

Incidentally, I think your hearing anecdotes about these new player management guys yourself.
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As far as Lloydy goes was never in favour of him playing Anzac day.

I have always found it funny that Sommerville has had things to say about Sheedy. The man from Moe would probaly be amognst the favourites for the worst premiership ruckman ever. He should consider himself lucky that Sheedy had some sort of faith in him for as long as he did.

Well you can take it or leave it as far as the new fitness department guys go. We reviewed this area last year and added some people to it. I have heard from two different outsides sources that one of they guys is pretty smart in his field. Are you so stuck in the mud about our entire footy department that you think we could not hire anyone who is better than good in their field.
 
ant555 said:
As far as Lloydy goes was never in favour of him playing Anzac day.

I have always found it funny that Sommerville has had things to say about Sheedy. The man from Moe would probaly be amognst the favourites for the worst premiership ruckman ever. He should consider himself lucky that Sheedy had some sort of faith in him for as long as he did.

Well you can take it or leave it as far as the new fitness department guys go. We reviewed this area last year and added some people to it. I have heard from two different outsides sources that one of they guys is pretty smart in his field. Are you so stuck in the mud about our entire footy department that you think we could not hire anyone who is better than good in their field.
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I agree with that comment.
 

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