NFL Lockout 'A Certainty'

[mcgarnacle]

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it's going to be a very interesting season, player form wise, and team play wise. will be a few players who will have breakout years me reckons, only to slip back next year when off-season operations return to normal. furthermore, will be interesting to see how many teams make drastic changes to the playbook. anyone care to remind me which organisations have had new coaching personnel this season? theyre going to fail bigtime me thinks.

ive been so out of the loop this off-season, it's not funny. nothing better than an industrial dispute to dampen my interest. as much as i enjoy the game when it's on, it seems i can easily find other things to replace it. i'd normally be digesting as much league info that i possibly could.

 

[Chadwiko]

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Going to be very interesting as a Redskins fan. We've got the personnel to really succeed in the 3-4, but do we have the time to teach it to them?

Also, free agency is going to be crazy for us.

 

[drd23]

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ifurthermore, will be interesting to see how many teams make drastic changes to the playbook. anyone care to remind me which organisations have had new coaching personnel this season? theyre going to fail bigtime me thinks.

Off the top of my head, these teams have all changed HCs this offseason

CAR
SF
OAK
DEN
TEN
CLE
DAL & MIN - were interim HCs hired full time

There are some other teams that have not changed HC but have had a change in coordinators with HOU also changing defensive scheme

 

[Southerntakeover]

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Yeah, its a worry for me with the eagles.

The change in D-Coordinator to Castillo, accompanied by big hirings on D-line (washburn), and O-Line (Mudd).

Theres a fair bit of change to be transitioned there.

 

[Chris25]

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Going to be very interesting as a Redskins fan. We've got the personnel to really succeed in the 3-4, but do we have the time to teach it to them?

Also, free agency is going to be crazy for us.

Which overpriced players who are well and truly over the hill will you be signing this time around?

The preseason will be interesting though, especially as a Browns fan because there is still so much to do. We've been arguably the worst affected by the lockout. New coaches, new playbooks, new players and just a handful of veterans. Would have been nice to have seen some of our younger players for more than a few days before free agency opens.

 

[Southerntakeover]

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Which overpriced players who are well and truly over the hill will you be signing this time around?

The preseason will be interesting though, especially as a Browns fan because there is still so much to do. We've been arguably the worst affected by the lockout. New coaches, new playbooks, new players and just a handful of veterans. Would have been nice to have seen some of our younger players for more than a few days before free agency opens.

Id argue the Eagles have been the worst affected- given the inability to deal Kolb.

 

[Chadwiko]

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How exactly are the Eagles any worse off now than they were at the start of the lockout simply because they haven't traded Kolb?

What a silly thing to say.

 

[Dirty Bird]

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What a silly thing to say.

Learn to keep your mouth shut please.
Comments like that are quite ironic coming from someone like you or I.

 

[exe ex machina]

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easy does it

 

[Southerntakeover]

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How exactly are the Eagles any worse off now than they were at the start of the lockout simply because they haven't traded Kolb?

What a silly thing to say.

Did you spend any time thinking about it at all before making a jackass of yourself?

Kolb is out of contract at the end of the year. He has to be traded THIS offseason.

The closer to the season we get, the less likely teams are to part with top compensation for a QB who wont know their system well enough come opening day. Not to mention the pre-draft trades which were rumoured to be offered, which were supposedly generous. Had we been allowed to trade, we could have made a move for one of the top Corners in the draft, and plugged the obvious hole in our roster.

 

[Tassie19Cairns20]

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The news keeps getting better and better. It looks like the rookie wage scale is the only issue that is now separating both sides from completing a deal. Both sides want a rookie wage scale, but they differ on how many years long they want the rookie contract to be. July 21st seems like the magic date. Everyone keep your fingers crossed.

If it all works out we are going to see a 3 to 5 day free agency bonanza, unlike one we've ever seen.

 

[exe ex machina]

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NFL
IFAF

 

[Chadwiko]

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Riggy and Stko; You need to improve your English comprehension skills.

I asked, specifically, "How are the Eagles worse off now than they were at the start of the lockout?"

Just because the Eagles haven't had the opportunity to trade a B grade non-starting quarterback this offseason doesn't mean that their list is worse now than it was in February.

We were talking about who has been "worst affected". This conversation was about teams who have had crucial personnel changes, such as head coaches, OC's, DC's, etc.

Have the Eagles lost any coaches? Have they completely changed their offensive or defensive schemes, say from a 4-3 to a 3-4? Have you had any veteran players retire, leaving you exposed?

The answer to all these questions is 'no'.

To be precise, the Eagles are no better and [/i]no worse[/i] off than they were at the start of the lockout.

Hence why I referred to anyone trying to say that the Eagles have been the "worst affected of any teams" as silly.

Move along now.

 

[exe ex machina]

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Actually, the Eagles did lose a DC, and they have changed their defensive scheme to a 9 wide philosophy. You said "we were talking about who has been worst affected". That the Eagles couldn't trade away a QB prior the draft, in the draft, or post draft for a CB has been an inconvenience.

I wouldn't say the Eagles are worst off tho. I wouldn't say any team is. They all are. Eg, the Raiders have a ton of FAs due to the new CBA, and possibly even more. Being unable to sign them prior to the draft has caused them to draft players as possible replacements rather than address other needs. That includes Zach Miller, Asomugha, Bush, etc, and they only have like 4 OL on roster. They have a new DB coach and he hasn't been able to get the players in to teach them what he wanted, especially as our DB list is now all young and inexperienced if Asomugha goes.

Etc for every team.

 

[Chadwiko]

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To clarify, it should have read "Have the Eagles lost a HEAD coach?"

BigFooty won't let me edit my post for some reason.

 

[exe ex machina]

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All those teams with new HCs would be at a bigger disadvantage. Same with teams with new rookie QBs likely to be starting QBs. Bengals, Titans, Vikings, etc. There's a wide range of hassles the lockout has brought. This season will be an interesting challenge for many teams as so many are affected.

 

[Chadwiko]

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Absolutely.

Which is why I labelled claims that the Eagles were the "worst off" because of their inability to deal Kolb as silly.

 

[Southerntakeover]

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Riggy and Stko; You need to improve your English comprehension skills.

I asked, specifically, "How are the Eagles worse off now than they were at the start of the lockout?"

Just because the Eagles haven't had the opportunity to trade a B grade non-starting quarterback this offseason doesn't mean that their list is worse now than it was in February.

We were talking about who has been "worst affected". This conversation was about teams who have had crucial personnel changes, such as head coaches, OC's, DC's, etc.

Have the Eagles lost any coaches? Have they completely changed their offensive or defensive schemes, say from a 4-3 to a 3-4? Have you had any veteran players retire, leaving you exposed?

The answer to all these questions is 'no'.

To be precise, the Eagles are no better and [/i]no worse[/i] off than they were at the start of the lockout.

Hence why I referred to anyone trying to say that the Eagles have been the "worst affected of any teams" as silly.

Move along now.

You need to work on your 'not being a moron' skills.

Ive already posted about our change in defensive coordinator, d-line coach and o-line coach. All represent a massive shift in technique and philosophy. We also have veterans likely to leave etc (Mikell) if you want to play that game. Its also the first offseason with Vick as the starting QB. You dont think thats important? I know you have very little knowledge of even your own team, but you could have done the tiniest bit of research before posting this crap.

Id also argue that none of the teams with a head coach change are superbowl contenders at this point, whereas we are. The potential loss is much higher for a team in 'win now' mode.

As far as 'b-grade' and other little grains you've decided to leave unflushed for us to read, Kolb was clearly the #1 piece of tradebait in the league. He would have attracted a high price on the open market had we been able to deal him months ago. The loss of that opportunity will have quite a significant impact on our team for years to come. Any other season we would have been raking it in.

Hence my claim that we've been the worst affected. If you're going to argue against it, actually check your facts rather than just dribbling shit and expecting it to fly.

 

[Southerntakeover]

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Actually, the Eagles did lose a DC, and they have changed their defensive scheme to a 9 wide philosophy. You said "we were talking about who has been worst affected". That the Eagles couldn't trade away a QB prior the draft, in the draft, or post draft for a CB has been an inconvenience.

Far more than an inconvienience. Its a huge opportunity loss.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

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You all need to stop this pissing contest and just be happy that it looks like this lockout is coming to an end. Srsly guise...

 

[Southerntakeover]

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You all need to stop this pissing contest and just be happy that it looks like this lockout is coming to an end. Srsly guise...

Ill believe it when i see it.

 

[Southerntakeover]

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http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/...-defense-moving-on-from-jjs-zone-blitz-scheme

Decent article in the changes people are predicting in the eagles defensive scheme.

 

[Chadwiko]

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Okay, Stko, lets review;


Chris starts talking about how he thinks the Browns have been worst affected due to HC change, new playbooks, and having a very young list;

The preseason will be interesting though, especially as a Browns fan because there is still so much to do. We've been arguably the worst affected by the lockout. New coaches, new playbooks, new players and just a handful of veterans. Would have been nice to have seen some of our younger players for more than a few days before free agency opens.

Then you pipe up and specifically say that because Eagles haven't been able to trade Kolb (thats the only reason you list here), the Eagles have been worst affected;

Id argue the Eagles have been the worst affected- given the inability to deal Kolb.

At which point, I call you silly and ask how exactly the Eagles are worse off now than they were at the start of the lockout;

How exactly are the Eagles any worse off now than they were at the start of the lockout simply because they haven't traded Kolb?

What a silly thing to say.

You then pipe up and make yourself look even sillier, by saying the following, confirming your view that the inability to trade Kolb has had a negative impact on your list, which by the powers of logic, it has not. (If your list has not changed, it has not changed. Not improved, and not diminished);

Did you spend any time thinking about it at all before making a jackass of yourself?

Kolb is out of contract at the end of the year. He has to be traded THIS offseason.

The closer to the season we get, the less likely teams are to part with top compensation for a QB who wont know their system well enough come opening day. Not to mention the pre-draft trades which were rumoured to be offered, which were supposedly generous. Had we been allowed to trade, we could have made a move for one of the top Corners in the draft, and plugged the obvious hole in our roster.

I try to help you see the error in your ways, in plain english;

Riggy and Stko; You need to improve your English comprehension skills.

I asked, specifically, "How are the Eagles worse off now than they were at the start of the lockout?"

Just because the Eagles haven't had the opportunity to trade a B grade non-starting quarterback this offseason doesn't mean that their list is worse now than it was in February.

Once again, you fail to comprehend it, insult me, but only NOW do you fall back onto the "We have a new DC and minor coaches! Eagles! Eagles! Oh woe is the Eagles!"

You need to work on your 'not being a moron' skills.

Ive already posted about our change in defensive coordinator, d-line coach and o-line coach. All represent a massive shift in technique and philosophy. We also have veterans likely to leave etc (Mikell) if you want to play that game. Its also the first offseason with Vick as the starting QB. You dont think thats important? I know you have very little knowledge of even your own team, but you could have done the tiniest bit of research before posting this crap.

Everyone knows that the Eagles are Andy Reid's team. Do you really think a new O-line coach is going to come in and make sweeping changes that Andy Reid doesn't want? Of course not.

All along, what i've been saying is that to suggest the Eagles are worse off than a team like the Browns, or Titans, or Vikings that will be going into this season with a new Head Coach, new QB (or second year QB for the Browns), new play books, new schemes, and new personnel is just ridiculous.

Take off your Philly-green coloured glasses and stop being such a one-eyed Eagles fan and start looking around the NFL. You'll quickly realise the world doesn't revolve around the only NFC East team to never win a Superbowl.

 

[Chadwiko]

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Kolb was clearly the #1 piece of tradebait in the league.

This is also arguable. Kolb is unproven and the few games he has started, he has failed to perform.

He has a career QB rating of 73.2, and has proven to be unreliable when the game is on the line.

In terms of the "#1 piece of trade bait in the league", he might be in high demand, but that is more a reflection on teams desperate for a QB like Arizona, than on Kevin Kolb.

 

[Southerntakeover]

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Okay, Stko, lets review;


Chris starts talking about how he thinks the Browns have been worst affected due to HC change, new playbooks, and having a very young list;




Then you pipe up and specifically say that because Eagles haven't been able to trade Kolb (thats the only reason you list here), the Eagles have been worst affected;

You're even bad at paraphrasing. That takes real commitment to ineptitude. I take my hat off to you.

At which point, I call you silly and ask how exactly the Eagles are worse off now than they were at the start of the lockout;


You then pipe up and make yourself look even sillier, by saying the following, confirming your view that the inability to trade Kolb has had a negative impact on your list, which by the powers of logic, it has not. (If your list has not changed, it has not changed. Not improved, and not diminished);

Lol at your 'powers of logic'. You're an intellectual lightweight. As if you needed to confirm it any further.

The value of a player is not a constant. It is perpetually changing. Kolbs value in particular is likely to have, and I would argue has, changed for the worse.

Ill put it simply for you.

End of 2010 season Kolb Value > start of 2011 season Kolb value.

Our loss is the difference between the two. I think its likely to be significant.

Thats not even getting into the opportunity loss. I.e. had we been able to deal Kolb pre-draft what sort of moves could we have made in the draft, to acquire players to fill a pressing need. Could we have moved for Peterson etc?

I try to help you see the error in your ways, in plain english;

Of course you used plain english. Given your performance thus far im hardly convinced youd be capable of an alternative.

Once again, you fail to comprehend it, insult me, but only NOW do you fall back onto the "We have a new DC and minor coaches! Eagles! Eagles! Oh woe is the Eagles!"

Yes, exposing your ignorance is certainly a case of me whinging.

Tell me, does this lack of substance on your behalf actually impress anyone?

Everyone knows that the Eagles are Andy Reid's team. Do you really think a new O-line coach is going to come in and make sweeping changes that Andy Reid doesn't want? Of course not.

All along, what i've been saying is that to suggest the Eagles are worse off than a team like the Browns, or Titans, or Vikings that will be going into this season with a new Head Coach, new QB (or second year QB for the Browns), new play books, new schemes, and new personnel is just ridiculous.

Yes, I do think Howard Mudd (do you even know who that is?) will be given the freedom to run his O-Line scheme. Which is significantly different to Castillo's previous O-Line scheme. I also think Washburn will be given signifcant freedom to run this line. I dont think either, as two of the most sought after positional coaches in the NFL would have signed with us had they been guaranteed of any less.

You're showing your ignorance of pretty much all things NFL again.

As far as what you've been saying all along- your original statement was:

"Have the Eagles lost any coaches? Have they completely changed their offensive or defensive schemes"

When you were proven to have no ****ing clue what you were talking about, given the large number of key coaching shifts in the Eagles this offseason, you tried to change the goal post to head coach. Nice try, but no dice. BTW, Vick was about to undertake his first off season as a starter in the eagles system.

The reality is, you had no idea what you were talking about when you opened your big mouth.

Take off your Philly-green coloured glasses and stop being such a one-eyed Eagles fan and start looking around the NFL. You'll quickly realise the world doesn't revolve around the only NFC East team to never win a Superbowl.

Ive got an opinion, and ive justified it.

Given your complete and utter lack of knowledge about events at the team we've been discussing, you're not in a position to lecture me on my knowledge of other teams.