NFL Lockout 'A Certainty'

[Woodson]

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NFL doesnt rule out the possibility of Replacement players.

Integrity of NFL will go down the toilet if they went in that direction. I know it happened in the past and what was learned from it? Most Fans will turn their backs on it as these replacement players are not the guys that NFL fans want to represent their teams/cities. Sad day if Goodell the idiot pushes for such. Pulling punches with this declaration shows how inept he is as a Commissioner.

 

[Anno_Domini]

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Integrity of NFL will go down the toilet if they went in that direction.

The NFL still has integrity? This is news to me.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

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NFL doesnt rule out the possibility of Replacement players.

Gotta agree with Woody. Just cheapens the product. Think they're just bluffing.

 

[Tassie19Cairns20]

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Integrity of NFL will go down the toilet if they went in that direction. I know it happened in the past and what was learned from it? Most Fans will turn their backs on it as these replacement players are not the guys that NFL fans want to represent their teams/cities. Sad day if Goodell the idiot pushes for such. Pulling punches with this declaration shows how inept he is as a Commissioner.

I think the "Goodell Bashing" is getting ridiculous. It's almost like the analogy with Quarterbacks. They get too much credit for wins, and get take too much of the blame for losses. It's pretty easy to blame Goodell because the average fan views him as all 32 greedy owners combined into one man. That is not true at all. He has a lot less power than you attribute to him. For the record here is Goodell's quote about replacement players yesterday.......

"We have not had any discussions or consideration of replacement players," Goodell said at a news conference closing the annual owners meetings. "It hasn't been discussed, it hasn't been considered, and it's NOT in our plans."

 

[exe ex machina]

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"I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman."

 

[larkis]

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Shocked that the one thread that could use more Al Davis, GG has just sat on his hands.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/03/23/owners-nflpa-should-take-als-advice/

"Nobody Cares"
My attitude perfectly towards all this

 

[exe ex machina]

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Interesting development.

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FAN SUES BROWNS AND NFL OVER LOCKOUT

As the saying goes (sort of), live by the lawyer, die by the lawyer.

With the NFL and the NFLPA* knee deep in a pit of barristers, a PSL holder in Cleveland has opted to sue the Browns and the other 31 teams for threatening to renege on his right to watch pro football from his rented seat space.

According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Ken Lanci has asked the Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court to prohibit the lockout that was launched nearly two weeks ago.

 

[Woodson]

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NFL doesnt rule out the possibility of Replacement players.

QUASHED apparently.. So you can scrub that motion under the carpet GG.

@Tassie

I am clearly dismayed by Goodell's direction. Aside the inconsistency with disciplining players who have nothing to answer on chargers/ allegations against them, Goodell takes upon himself to Undermine his Own people (Officials) after Week 6 hits.. inconsistency and explanation of FINES (I have no issue with fines but the consistency isn't there), he continues to endorse the tweaking of numerous rulings that go against the Defense. The idea of pressing for suspensions is another sloppy concept. Now the proposals for further player safety which restricts the QB making a dynamic play which fans & football media can't get enough of.. it's quite perplexing really.

As noble as he is for cutting back his salary, the fans are not effected by that. The Fans want to see some leadership with his position and by that, I mean, that he can work smarter with determining other avenues / solutions to the allow leeway on the revenue sharing issues, since neither don't care to budge. He was way OVERConfident on this being CBA settled and somewhat states he knew that the decertifying of the players union was always on the cards.
To me, I think Goodell isn't the right guy to lead the NFL anymore. Whether he doesn't have the right calibre of personel around him or whether Goodell doesn't care to do his own homework is another story but the guy who lost out to Goodell as the Commissioner appoint, Gregg Levi, has come out and blasted the NFLPA 's decertification as a 'sham'. Who knows what may as come from a different guy leading the NFL but clearly the 'shame' is mounting on Goodell to make the CBA work as a win/win for both parties.

Here's an article that breaks down the many issues.. in laymans terms

 

[exe ex machina]

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Then there's a development like this, which then paints the NFLPA, or the players of today, as bad guys.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...defiant-accusatoy-and-outright-disrespectful/

Read the comments section too.

 

[bjtoby]

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this whole thing has become more about power and control more than money imo. Things like health insurance should be a given, but the owners need a slightly bigger share of the split. Get rid of Goodell and let a few of the more respected owners talk to the leading players without outside influence and see what happens.

 

[larkis]

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Then there's a development like this, which then paints the NFLPA, or the players of today, as bad guys.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...defiant-accusatoy-and-outright-disrespectful/

Read the comments section too.

Can't group all the players with the NFLPA. Although I hope to see the NFLPA's law suit get thrown out of court as it becomes clear decertification is a sham.

 

[exe ex machina]

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More on the last story...

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Publicly, NFL Alumni executive director George Martin spoke in positive terms regarding his meeting with the NFLPA* at the group’s annual get-together. Privately, Martin was more candid, calling the session “defiant, accusatory, and outright disrespectful.”

So why the two versions? The group has issued a statement explaining the dichotomy. The full text of the statement appears below.

 

[Chism]

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Gee cant they just fix this issue!!

I will be shattered if there is no season next year and i wont have the chance to kick everyone's arse in fantasy footy!!! ( Looking at you Woodson!! )

 

[exe ex machina]

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There's some interesting reading on this dedicated site...

http://www.nfllockout.com/


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[Tassie19Cairns20]

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@Tassie

I am clearly dismayed by Goodell's direction. Aside the inconsistency with disciplining players who have nothing to answer on chargers/ allegations against them, Goodell takes upon himself to Undermine his Own people (Officials) after Week 6 hits.. inconsistency and explanation of FINES (I have no issue with fines but the consistency isn't there), he continues to endorse the tweaking of numerous rulings that go against the Defense. The idea of pressing for suspensions is another sloppy concept. Now the proposals for further player safety which restricts the QB making a dynamic play which fans & football media can't get enough of.. it's quite perplexing really.

As noble as he is for cutting back his salary, the fans are not effected by that. The Fans want to see some leadership with his position and by that, I mean, that he can work smarter with determining other avenues / solutions to the allow leeway on the revenue sharing issues, since neither don't care to budge. He was way OVERConfident on this being CBA settled and somewhat states he knew that the decertifying of the players union was always on the cards.
To me, I think Goodell isn't the right guy to lead the NFL anymore. Whether he doesn't have the right calibre of personel around him or whether Goodell doesn't care to do his own homework is another story but the guy who lost out to Goodell as the Commissioner appoint, Gregg Levi, has come out and blasted the NFLPA 's decertification as a 'sham'. Who knows what may as come from a different guy leading the NFL but clearly the 'shame' is mounting on Goodell to make the CBA work as a win/win for both parties.

Here's an article that breaks down the many issues.. in laymans terms

The article is a good read, but some of the issues are already outdated/meaningless. Whenever football does resume, a salary cap and equal revenue sharing of TV money will still be in place. Without those two things, teams like mine would certainly keel over and die.

I just think that the Lockout situation had it's wheels rolling long before Goodell was ever commissioner. That 2006 vote that the owners made, which they later said was a bad decision, was done with Tagliabue at the helm. Once they realized that giving the players 60% of revenue was a bad idea, they had this Lockout planned, and whomever succeeded Tagliabue wouldn't stand in their way.

Now there are people who disagree with Goodell about his personal conduct policy, and think he has too much power levying suspensions. Those people though have every right to be angry at Goodell. But blaming him for the current Labor situation is 100% unfair and 100% misplaced. This lockout would have happened if Goodell, Tagliabue, You, Me, Pete Rozelle etc... anyone were in charge as commissioner.

 

[exe ex machina]

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The owners agreed 30-2 to extend the CBA another 6 years before Goodell came in.

Then a couple years after Goodell came in, the owners decided to opt out of the CBA.

 

[Sven]

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The owners agreed 30-2 to extend the CBA another 6 years before Goodell came in.

Then a couple years after Goodell came in, the owners decided to opt out of the CBA.

TBH I think the owners thought they had a good deal when the CBA extension was signed in 2006. At that time the total owner take was just over 51%. What they didn't see coming was the explosion in NFL revenue that was coming in the following years.

The salary cap is based on the previous year's revenue so 2005 revenue was $6.7B which rose to the oft quoted $9.3B in 2010 approximately 40% higher. In hindsight what the owners should have done in 2006 was to index the $1B that the owners cream off the top before the rest is split and then the current situation would have been avoided (then again, maybe the players would have opted out instead).

If the CBA was still going the current situation would be the reverse of 2006 - the players getting 51% and the owners 49% which is clearly the grounds for the owners grumblings.

edit - I think what Goodell did was to show the owners just how big the NFL could become and that income from TV, internet, and mobile platforms was going to explode and therefore the owners would end up with a dimiinishing % of the the total take.

 

[Woodson]

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I will be shattered if there is no season next year and i wont have the chance to kick everyone's arse in fantasy footy!!! ( Looking at you Woodson!! )

Kick everyone's arse??? since when did you win the title??
In other developments, the MUSTANGS GM, the one & only LD, has sought advice from Leon Black who runs the merchandising dept, to get more aggressive with spray cans and the like next campaign.. LD won't be slunking/ punking out.. No sireee.

[YOUTUBE]2Ewr4BSTr8Q[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Chism]

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Kick everyone's arse??? since when did you win the title??
In other developments, the MUSTANGS GM, the one & only LD, has sought advice from Leon Black who runs the merchandising dept, to get more aggressive with spray cans and the like next campaign.. LD won't be slunking/ punking out.. No sireee.

[youtube]2Ewr4BSTr8Q[/youtube]

O.k slight exaggeration there!!!

I was looking at you though!!

 

[exe ex machina]

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Good article.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/30/in-a-way-players-are-trying-to-have-it-both-ways/

But the more interesting read, as always, is the comments section.

 

[drd23]

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Good article.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/30/in-a-way-players-are-trying-to-have-it-both-ways/

But the more interesting read, as always, is the comments section.

Interesting in what way? I never read the comments section of PFT because its always full of mostly immature nutjobs

 

[exe ex machina]

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Interesting....not just that article but all subsequent articles, seeing the tides turning. The fans going one way rooting for the players, the players all looking like in the right, then fans all swinging back the other way, rooting for the owners, the owners looking in the right, then back and forth over and over, until in the end a fan is left realizing that one can stand in the corner of both sides and oppose both sides. There are so many areas where it's important for the owners to win, and so many areas where the players ought to win too.

The best way I can put it is what I posted recently on PFT...

The very problem with it all is that the NFL is a made business. Generating $9b, that has ruined the very integrity of the sport itself (rules destroying game), the integrity of the NFL itself (corruption of commish, owners raising prices on fans cos they can, knowing fans are addicted), and the integrity of players (becoming wealthy divas and sociopaths who take it all for granted).

This is why whenever a league is fledgling, and trying to make it, it’s always the salad days, a golden era. Like the AFL was. Like the XFL was. Like the UFL is now.

Basically, the NFL has kinda plateaued now. It’s gotten too big and ‘needs’ to die a lot to bring back the integrity again, but it’s also passed the point of no return too. Why a light at the end of the tunnel is always a new fledgling rival league that needs fans, bends backwards for fans, innovates, rules traditional and fan-geared, players appreciative of the chance and genuinely able to be taught in life and football, etc. Read Schottenheimer’s interviews on joining the UFL, how he hates the NFL now, players can’t be taught anymore, too much of a big business, players come and go, players all self-entitled, owners sweep out coaching staffs very quickly, etc.

Think back how the AFL forced the NFL to improve massively and dramatically at the time. Remember where the NFL was at the time, what the AFL did — innovations on and off-field, racial equality, etc etc. It was the catalyst for the merged NFL becoming the behemoth it is today. Once again, the cycle repeats tho. Where the game is now overall, in every area, is at another point of decay.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

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the NFL has kinda plateaued now

Where the game is now overall, in every area, is at another point of decay.

Really??? I would of thought it was booming in every way. FA and draft have made it the model for other sports to follow. Parity has seen renewed interest.

Read Schottenheimer’s interviews on joining the UFL, how he hates the NFL now, players can’t be taught anymore, too much of a big business, players come and go, players all self-entitled, owners sweep out coaching staffs very quickly, etc.

This guy would jump if he was offered another job. Never seemed to complain at the absurd salary he was earning while coaching "Marty Ball". Sounds more like an excuse for his own failings.

 

[exe ex machina]

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Here's a good video interview on the court case to be heard tomorrow...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/05/pft-live-breaking-down-the-antitrust-case/

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[exe ex machina]

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And a good quick run-down in reading format what it all means...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/05/ten-things-to-know-about-the-wednesday-hearing/


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