NFL Lockout 'A Certainty'

[Southerntakeover]

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This is also arguable. Kolb is unproven and the few games he has started, he has failed to perform.

He has a career QB rating of 73.2, and has proven to be unreliable when the game is on the line.

In terms of the "#1 piece of trade bait in the league", he might be in high demand, but that is more a reflection on teams desperate for a QB like Arizona, than on Kevin Kolb.

You've answered your own point.

Whether you think hes worth it is irrelevant (and personally, I couldnt care about anything less than your rating of players). The numbers underrate him. You need to look at how the picks are occuring. E.g. interceptions on last play hail mary passes when the game is dead arent particularly illuminating.

You conceed he is (was) in high demand. Thats enough. Rumours are that Seattle were prepared to part with a first and a third for example.

If you can think of a player who was likely to be traded, who would have attracted more value- happy to discuss.

 

[Chadwiko]

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Congratulations, Stko.

You just proved my point.

Thanks.

 

[Southerntakeover]

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Haha.

Internet tactics 101- how to run from a losing debate, by claiming victory.

Lightweight. Maybe next time you could get someone to read the thread to you before entering and embarassing yourself?

 

[mcgarnacle]

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You all need to stop this pissing contest and just be happy that it looks like this lockout is coming to an end. Srsly guise...

No Rory.

Pissing contest means were 'almost' back, baby. We're almost back!

That's right Costanza, I'm using your 'baby' now.

 

[Dagless]

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You all need to stop this pissing contest and just be happy that it looks like this lockout is coming to an end. Srsly guise...

Pats suck Bawstun ****!@11!!!!!!!1!

 

[Chism]

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Season must be drawing closer!!

Abuse is starting!

 

[Southerntakeover]

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Who in the blue hell thought making you a moderator is a good idea?

 

[exe ex machina]

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PFT broke down the ESPN report like this

4 days after the ratification: Teams will be able to sign undrafted players. On the same day, teams will get a three-day window to re-sign their own players. It’s safe to say tampering will go nuts in this period as agents shop deals around.

7 days after ratification: Free agency starts. So does the league year. A lot of huge deals figure to be signed within hours. Magic.

12 days after ratification: Rosters will be set at 90 players. That’s a lot of signing in a very short amount of time.

13 days after ratification: Deadline for restricted free agents to sign offer sheets. (We’re assuming RFAs will only be third year players at this point, but that isn’t confirmed.)

17 days after ratification: A four-day period for teams to match restricted free-agent offer sheets ends.

22 days after ratification: This one isn’t agreed upon, but it could be a deadline for rookies to sign. Um, wow. This unprecedented idea is something we’ll delve into later.

26 days after ratification: The signing period for RFAs, franchise players, and transition tag players ends.

If this transition process is implemented, teams that don’t have a lot of issues with regard to restricted and unrestricted free agents will benefit from a relatively full camp experience.

 

[_shifty_]

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That 3 period to re-sign your own FA's is pretty short. wouldn't suprise me to see a more people go into FA.
This morning they agreed on the rookie pay scale, which was the last major hurdle. Now they just need Free Agency rules and it's done.
We're getting close...

 

[exe ex machina]

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They need a bit more than that....

The remaining issues include the question of whether free agency with fewer than six years of service will be subject to a “right of first refusal,” whether judicial oversight will apply to the labor deal, and whether and to what extent league-imposed discipline will be reviewed by someone other than the Commissioner or his designee. As to the last two issues, Mort reports that a panel of three retired judges is being considered for the purposes of overseeing all discipline and disputes, which would address the league’s desire to keep the courts out of the process of interpreting the CBA — and which would address the players’ desire to keep the Commish from having final say over any discipline he imposes.

Regardless of how it all works out, it now appears that a deal is within striking distance. Just in time to save the preseason and all the money that goes along with it.

Full article

 

[drd23]

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The salary cap for 2011 has now also been agreed upon apparently

John Clayton reports salary cap will be $120 million for 2011, plus $21 million in benefits per club

https://twitter.com/mortreport/statuses/91690215051239424

There will also be a 90% cap floor. As there are quite a few teams below that floor (KC, TB, BUF and CIn come to mind), there will be a few teams that dont normally spend much in FA that will have to spend big to make up the difference

There are also reports that a new CBA will be reached in principle during the next 24-48 hours.

 

[Sven]

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The salary cap for 2011 has now also been agreed upon apparently

https://twitter.com/mortreport/statuses/91690215051239424

There will also be a 90% cap floor. As there are quite a few teams below that floor (KC, TB, BUF and CIn come to mind), there will be a few teams that dont normally spend much in FA that will have to spend big to make up the difference

There are also reports that a new CBA will be reached in principle during the next 24-48 hours.

for those that don't know:

Player Benefits

Ownership contributions fund player benefits that include the pension plan, group medical insurance, the disability plan, and the ”88” program for retired players with dementia or related conditions.

 

[Sven]

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and for those who are mathematically inclined, a salary cap of $141 million per club is 48.5% of the 2010 revenue of $9.3 billion.

a full article on the new salary cap and the proposed rookie system is at http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6...ers-moving-towards-cba-settlement-source-says

for info:

According to sources, the terms agreed to on the rookie wage system are, in part, as follows:
• Five-year contracts, with a team option for the fifth year.
• If the team option is exercised, in the fifth year the top 10 picks would receive a salary equal to the average of the top 10 player salaries at their respective positions. That money would be guaranteed if the option is exercised after the third year of the contract.
• If the team option is exercised, in the fifth year picks 11-32 would receive a salary equal to the average of the Nos. 3-25 salaries at their respective positions. That money would be guaranteed if the option is exercised after the third year of the contract.

 

[exe ex machina]

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The good thing about the rookie cap is that Cam Newton is going to get peanuts compared to Sam Bradford - who would become the very last person from the old system.

 

[Sven]

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The good thing about the rookie cap is that Cam Newton is going to get peanuts compared to Sam Bradford - who would become the very last person from the old system.

I've read that Newton could still get somewhere between $20 and $30 million, not exactly chump change IMO

 

[exe ex machina]

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If the rookie scale comes in immediately he wouldnt

 

[drd23]

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I've read that Newton could still get somewhere between $20 and $30 million, not exactly chump change IMO

Compared to the $54m guaranteed that Bradford got it kinda is

 

[drd23]

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More details are emerging on the agreed upon rookie salary scale

First-round picks now will sign 4-yr deals, with options for a 5th-, that will decrease their money 40-50% from last yr. Vets get $ instead.

http://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/91900002321973248

More on rookies: Year 5 option for Top 10 picks is avg of Top 10 salaries at the position. For Picks 11-32, it's avg of salaries 3-25 ... That figure will be derived from Year 3 figures for player. So 2013 salaries will set the option price for 2011 picks.

http://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/91938665533673472

and a general update on where the talks are at

So as we reported this morning, face-to-face talks end in NY, pick up next week. Sides put out joint statement on constructive talks ... they will talk via conference calls and the lawyers will continue to work through the various legal issues still ahead.

http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/91972830153023488

 

[drd23]

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If the rookie scale comes in immediately he wouldnt

Actually GG, Sven is right. The current thinking is that the #1 pick would get about $34m (not the 80+ that Bradford got)

@JustinHuestis Heard 1 proposal had Cam Newton's deal landing at about $34 million over 5 years. More backloaded (option year) than in past.

http://twitter.com/#!/AlbertBreer/status/91924111185555457

 

[Chism]

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Great to see some real progress being made and watching Sportscenter this morning the lockout could be over by next week!!

Rapt a full season looks likely now and the FA period etc will be awesome!!

 

[drd23]

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More updates

As we reported on Total Access, after two furious days of talk, agreement in principle expected early next week. Nearly nothing in the way.

http://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/92009759510773761

It now appears likely the deal will be signed and ratified in time to salvage a full preseason. New story coming soon on washingtonpost.com.

http://twitter.com/#!/MarkMaske/statuses/92002554367586304

With players vehemently opposed to granting right of first refusal designations to NFL teams to retain their own free agents, the owners have abandoned their pursuit of such a concession in labor talks.

According to ESPN, NFL teams will have a three-day exclusive negotiating window to retain their own free agents.

That time period should allow teams sufficient time to keep some of their own players.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Owners-give-up-on-right-of-first-refusal-push.html

Looks like the CBA will be ratified at the Owner's Meeting that has been scheduled for July 21 (as it has been for a couple of months) and the league year will begin on July 28

 

[Tassie19Cairns20]

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Actually GG, Sven is right. The current thinking is that the #1 pick would get about $34m (not the 80+ that Bradford got)

http://twitter.com/#!/AlbertBreer/status/91924111185555457

Just to clarify, Bradford had $50 Million in guaranteed money. The 80+ is basically arbitrary fluff that he may never end up seeing. The whole issue to begin with was the growing concern of rookies getting too much guaranteed money.

So basically the $34 Million figure for Cam Newton is meaningless. I want to know how much he's guaranteed, and then we'll be able to adequately judge how the new wage scale works.

 

[exe ex machina]

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No one knows exactly what the rookie cap is going to be yet. Or how it will be applied---is it the same number whether you're a QB or DT, etc. Mike Florio was speculating it would be a general 55% reduction.

If Bradford got $50M guaranteed, Newton would be looking at about $20M guaranteed. That's still too much anyway, too much in terms of what the vet players have been complaining about. Jamarcus Russell got $30M guaranteed.

I could be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that guaranteed number be even less when full details emerge.

 

[exe ex machina]

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The NFL CBA is going to be a lot similar (not exact) to the NBA CBA, just read the NBA CBA and you'll see similarities with what the new NFL CBA is working towards.

Anyway, here's their rookie contract cap from 2005...

 

[drd23]

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If Bradford got $50M guaranteed, Newton would be looking at about $20M guaranteed. That's still too much anyway, too much in terms of what the vet players have been complaining about. Jamarcus Russell got $30M guaranteed.

I could be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that guaranteed number be even less when full details emerge.

The 5th year (which will be a team option activated at the end of the 3rd year) will account for a large portion of the guaranteed money iirc. It will be wholly guaranteed and calculated based on position and draft position. In Newton's case, if the Panthers do activate it, his 5th year will be a wholly guaranteed salary equal to the average of the 10 highest paid QBs (the same value as a franchise tag which was $14.546M in 2010)

The big thing is that the contracts will be shorter and cheaper, so it will be easier for teams to move on from picks that end up busting