London Bridge Terror Attack

[Run n Spread]

It will be interesting to see what emerges here, but I've noticed a trend towards recent terrorists being home grown reformed petty crims, who've enjoyed the party lifestyle in a distinctly unIslamic manner before converting, then becoming radicalised, and co-opting the religion as an excuse for their deeds. Certainly the faith played it's part in the actions, but, and I say this carefully because it can be interpreted a number of ways, but these aren't your typical Muslims, they were criminals before they converted. Perhaps the better question to ask is why are these people in particular attracted to the Muslim faith?

Because the Faith itself is inherently violent?

 

[My name geoff]

It will be interesting to see what emerges here, but I've noticed a trend towards recent terrorists being home grown reformed petty crims, who've enjoyed the party lifestyle in a distinctly unIslamic manner before converting, then becoming radicalised, and co-opting the religion as an excuse for their deeds. Certainly the faith played it's part in the actions, but, and I say this carefully because it can be interpreted a number of ways, but these aren't your typical Muslims, they were criminals before they converted. Perhaps the better question to ask is why are these people in particular attracted to the Muslim faith?

It's funny because everyone who is not on the far left said this is EXACTLY what would happen should a western county allow Islam stengthen and grow within its boarders. But so many still in denial. Give it up man, you're so ****** wrong on this topic.

 

[midorigreenwood]

It will be interesting to see what emerges here, but I've noticed a trend towards recent terrorists being home grown reformed petty crims, who've enjoyed the party lifestyle in a distinctly unIslamic manner before converting, then becoming radicalised, and co-opting the religion as an excuse for their deeds. Certainly the faith played it's part in the actions, but, and I say this carefully because it can be interpreted a number of ways, but these aren't your typical Muslims, they were criminals before they converted. Perhaps the better question to ask is why are these people in particular attracted to the Muslim faith?

Maybe in France (crims turning extremist)

but the experience in UK is mostly middle class, educated folk becoming radicalised

 

[hamohawk1]

How do you fix this?

It is seemingly residents that live within countries are causing these attacks, not outsiders? Inherent role for religion (of all kind) to educate the right message, further provide information to the relevant authorities when individuals become deviant. What is the role for government? What is the role for us as individuals?

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

How do you fix this?

It is seemingly residents that live within countries are causing these attacks, not outsiders? Inherent role for religion (of all kind) to educate the right message, further provide information to the relevant authorities when individuals become deviant. What is the role for government? What is the role for us as individuals?

Individually, there's not much we can do about it but if governments stopped funding Saudi Arabia (who fund terrorist groups and is the core of wahhabism) then that would be a start at least.

 

[CM86]

Hang on... that guy just used a #hashtag, put up a picture... and has done nothing else whatsoever...
His life of calling out cucks goes back to normal...

And you posted it. Were you being ironic?

 

[PP34]

Disgusting. Don't know what to think anymore.

Have a few mates heading to Europe in the next few weeks so this sort of stuff isn't great to see.

 

[Rob R]

The radicals organising/leading/funding these attacks want the West to increase their anti-Muslim attitudes. They want average Westerners to hate them. They want travel bans and deportations. They believe this drives more young Muslims around the world to join their cause.

Or you could argue that our pathetically weak response to the Muslim threat is being used as propaganda by our enemies, after all if we continue to downplay our culture to avoid offending theirs; refuse to deport extremists (well the judges refuse to deport them); let the traitors who go overseas to fight with terrorists come back in etc - why should our enemies think they won't eventually win.

We need to find the balance not the insanely soft policies in place today, support moderate muslims who are integrating into Australia but stop encouraging people to retain loyalties to their old countries (scrap all dual citizenship regardless of what nation it is); scrap all government funding for foreign cultural groups; start hitting the extremists much much much harder - if we know where they are Iraq/Syria, ensure they are a priority target for our fighters; if they commit a crime here in Australia - even if it just spreading propaganda give the judges no choice and implement mandatory life without the chance of parole; if they resist in the slightest way when being arrested the police shouldn't hestiate to eliminate the threat; if there is a suspicion of association with a terrorist group don't let them in the country and remove all appeals against deportation for any non-citizen (this should be the rule for any foreigner suspected of anything).

 

[tandino]

We should be thankful that we don't have the same sort of shit in this country, for the most part.

 

[HairyO]

We should be thankful that we don't have the same sort of shit in this country, for the most part.

We havent reached the same level of Muslim ghettos... yet. But it will happen. And our politicians will be saddened and shocked and demand answers.

When we all already know why.

 

[Paul Kersey]

It's funny because everyone who is not on the far left said this is EXACTLY what would happen should a western county allow Islam stengthen and grow within its boarders. But so many still in denial. Give it up man, you're so ****** wrong on this topic.

I love how they use the 'home grown' line. Its as if Germany will have nothing to worry about with the million odd Syrians until they start having German born children.

 

[My name geoff]

Or you could argue that our pathetically weak response to the Muslim threat is being used as propaganda by our enemies, after all if we continue to downplay our culture to avoid offending theirs; refuse to deport extremists (well the judges refuse to deport them); let the traitors who go overseas to fight with terrorists come back in etc - why should our enemies think they won't eventually win.

We need to find the balance not the insanely soft policies in place today, support moderate muslims who are integrating into Australia but stop encouraging people to retain loyalties to their old countries (scrap all dual citizenship regardless of what nation it is); scrap all government funding for foreign cultural groups; start hitting the extremists much much much harder - if we know where they are Iraq/Syria, ensure they are a priority target for our fighters; if they commit a crime here in Australia - even if it just spreading propaganda give the judges no choice and implement mandatory life without the chance of parole; if they resist in the slightest way when being arrested the police shouldn't hestiate to eliminate the threat; if there is a suspicion of association with a terrorist group don't let them in the country and remove all appeals against deportation for any non-citizen (this should be the rule for any foreigner suspected of anything).

What the crazy left don't understand is that Islamism sees our 'kindness' as capitulation and this kindness only encourages the propagation of Islamism. Whenever a product gets a halal sticker or a school stops celebrating Christmas, this doesn't create some fairy-tale situation where the Islamists say 'oh wow look how nice the west are, lets stop pushing Islam as hard' Our kindness and weak responses literally do the opposite.

Every time a non-Muslim is converted to Islam, this is celebrated amongst the WHOLE Muslim community, 'moderates' included. This is because ALL MUSLIMS want to see Islam grow, which causes problems as Islam is not a personal connection with a spiritual deity, it is a political ideology. In the words of Connor McGregor, 'they're not here to take part, they're here to take over.'

 

[Doss]

Because the Faith itself is inherently violent?

These people have tended to be on the fringes as it is and when someone comes along and tells you that is because of your religion or ethnicity, it becomes a vicious cycle where hatred can be propagated with frightening ease, it seems.

It's no accident that most of the European iterations of the radicalised types seem to be come from the disadvantaged areas like Saint Denis and Molenbeek. In most cases, they are ripe for the picking.

Then again, to become sucked in to such a twisted state of mind where brutally murdering complete strangers in the name of religion is rationalised as somehow okay, I tend to think there's probably something a bit NQR somewhere in that person's make up to begin with.

The bottom line though, is that further marginalising those already in a minority or on the fringes of society as is isn't going to improve this situation. It will make it worse.

 

[Bostonian]

I wish people would stop calling them a minority, there's over a billion of them, they aren't a minority.

 

[Doss]

I wish people would stop calling them a minority, there's over a billion of them, they aren't a minority.

It was pretty clear I was referring to them in Western countries.

 

[Bostonian]

It was pretty clear I was referring to them in Western countries.

Plenty of peaceful minorities out there who don't face the same issues as Islam presents in western society.

Their marginalisation comes from their prophet and their religion. Nothing good can come from a historically degenerate character like Muhammad.

If all Muslims suddenly became Buddhists tomorrow the landscape of the world would change dramatically.

 

[iluvparis]

Plenty of peaceful minorities out there who don't face the same issues as Islam presents in western society.

Their marginalisation comes from their prophet and their religion. Nothing good can come from a historically degenerate character like Muhammad.

If all Muslims suddenly became Buddhists tomorrow the landscape of the world would change dramatically.

Myanmar says hi

 

[Bostonian]

Myanmar says hi

I just said if Muslims disappeared to tomorrow...

Didn't occur to you that Myanmar wouldn't be an issue if Islam disappeared, you know, because Myanmar then wouldn't have Muslims to be fighting...

Hi, thanks for proving my point.

 

[My name geoff]

These people have tended to be on the fringes as it is and when someone comes along and tells you that is because of your religion or ethnicity, it becomes a vicious cycle where hatred can be propagated with frightening ease, it seems.

It's no accident that most of the European iterations of the radicalised types seem to be come from the disadvantaged areas like Saint Denis and Molenbeek. In most cases, they are ripe for the picking.

Then again, to become sucked in to such a twisted state of mind where brutally murdering complete strangers in the name of religion is rationalised as somehow okay, I tend to think there's probably something a bit NQR somewhere in that person's make up to begin with.

The bottom line though, is that further marginalising those already in a minority or on the fringes of society as is isn't going to improve this situation. It will make it worse.

people in the future will be completely confused when they read through the history books to this period of time...

• 600AD Islam is established and savagely butchers its way through the Middle East, Asia, Africa and Europe establishing an Empire which grows faster than any in history, slaying and subjugating all those in its path.

• 600-1000AD Islam completely demoralises the non adherents to its faith, in line with the commandments of its founder, waging war after war, hundreds in total, smashing down every door of the European continent.

1000-1200AD After incessant invasions from the Muslim aggressors, the Europeans banded together to form a Christian army to push back the Muslim invaders out of Europe, a brief victory for the infidel.

• 1200-1900AD The Muslims regain lost territory after relaunching invasions into Europe. The worlds largest empire is established by the Muslims. Europeans violently subjugated, many genocides and European subjects sold into slavery at the hands of the Muslim conquerors

1900AD- Europe finally fights back and manages to push the Islamic aggressors back to modern turkey and Northern Africa. Europe begins to strongly defends its borders against Muslims, a necessary defence against the aggressors.

• Islam and its followers hold true to the vision of it founder Mohammed that non-believers are to be destroyed.

• From the mid 1900's to the early 2000's he US sign a military/oil agreement with Saudi Islamic state and fight a handful of Geopolitical battles against other Muslim majority nations on its behalf. (Keeping in mind these Muslim nations were formed on the lands which the Muslims violently conquered)

• during one of these battles the US and its military allies in Europe feel sorry for the Muslims and decide to remove the boarders which had been a vital necessity since the inception of Islam.

• despite the gesture, the aggresive Muslims still hate the westerners as they unsurprisingly haven't changed their ideological position and hold true to their founder and religious scripture, but with even more venom due to the last few decades of US military intervention

• Muslims set up strongholds all across Europe and begin terrorising the non-beleivers in the same manner as it has done since its inception, but this time from behind enemy lines.

• Europe decides they still feel sorry for the Muslims so they invite more into their countries, even despite the statements from the most violent Muslims that they will use this free entry into Europe as an all out invasion. Europe ignores this threat, instead giving Muslims more benefits and hospitality than their own citizens.

• Muslims increase terrorist attacks and demands on the European people.

• Europeans invite more Muslims in and condemn anyone who dare criticise the desicion to do so or anyone who even thinks about criticising Islam.

• Muslims kill women and children at an infidel gathering

• Europeans still think they should bring more Muslims in and need to act kinder to Muslims to make them feel more welcome

• Muslims kill more Europeans in British capital

• Europeans say this attack has nothing to do with Islam

• Muslim conservative groups claim the attacks as their own

• Europeans claim these Muslim conservatives are not true Muslims, despite following the commands of their prophet and follow in the exact footsteps of their predecessors

 

[Doss]

Yeah that's entirely fair and balanced.

 

[My name geoff]

Yeah that's entirely fair and balanced.

That's history

 

[Doss]

It's a one sided version of it with needlessly fleshed out sections on the one hand interspersed with hopelessly condensed eras on the other.

 

[My name geoff]

It's a one sided version of it with needlessly fleshed out sections on the one hand interspersed with hopelessly condensed eras on the other.

That is the bottom line version of it. You can try to twist it if you like, but I will be waiting here with the facts ready to rebut

 

[Brad Goodman]

That is the bottom line version of it. You can try to twist it if you like, but I will be waiting here with the facts ready to rebut

So what percentage of Muslims would you say are inherently bad people waiting for the right time to destroy a few infidels?

 

[My name geoff]

So what percentage of Muslims would you say are inherently bad people waiting for the right time to destroy a few infidels?

I wouldn't call them inherently bad people, more severely brainwashed people. The vast majority would listen to the Quran and Muslim leadership over western governments, when the time is right (I.e. enough population) the majority of Muslims will turn on 'western values'