London murder rate overtakes New York

[Bradesmaen]

lol. The FACTS speak for themselves.



FFS. You have already been told that the recent increase was largely due to stop and search being done far less.

Your continual denial of the FACTS and screams of racism are quite simply pathetic

The facts do speak for themselves and no matter how much you manipulate it, it doesn't fit your narrative.

You were told that it's not immigrants, but it doesn't stop you.

 

[MaddAdam]

I'm sure that's a great consolation to all the families of murder victims in Saqiq Khan's London. Rape and robbery are also higher in London than New York, and that's to say nothing of acid attacks. Tell me, why are these figures all continuing to climb in London?

Because there's been massive cuts in vital public services, notably the cops.

 

[Seeds]

Stunning work by May and Khan (she was told her policy changes were moronic) Still at least they are cracking down on hate crime, we all know thats the main thing. Quality fabrication in bold.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936

City Hall says it is "deeply concerned" by knife crime in the capital, but, along with the Met Police, insists London "remains one of the safest [cities] in the world".

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...er-spate-of-fatal-stabbings-and-a3803566.html

London murder rate has overtaken New York for first time ever after spate of fatal stabbings and shootings


#culturalenrichment
#winning

new york murder rate has dramatically fallen in the past twenty years. Its what happens when rich hipsters move in. Doesnt really say much about London.

In any case why would we care about this on an Australian forum?

 

[MaddAdam]

That's what happens when you allow a centralised EU commission in Brussells to dictate your own domestic policies.

The sooner the Poms are out of the EU & gain back control of their own sovereignty, the better.

The EU is nothing other than a poison chalice....and the attempt to usurp full power & wrest full control away form every Democratic European country.

A dictatorship by stealth & in reverse.....but a dictatorship it is nonetheless......The attempt to destroy Democracy & sovereignty in Europe by the elites.

LOL, jeezo.

 

[Seeds]

It's all the Russians doing I tells ya.

op is not blaming russians. he is blaming muslims.

 

[Bradesmaen]

new york murder rate has dramatically fallen in the past twenty years. Its what happens when rich hipsters move in. Doesnt really say much about London.

In any case why would we care about this on an Australian forum?

Because a Muslim is in charge and meds hates Muslims.

 

[Procrastinator35]

op is not blaming russians. he is blaming muslims.

Let me guess....Your irony detector is broken.

 

[Procrastinator35]

LOL, jeezo.

Best you've got eh?

 

[The Speaker]

Because there's been massive cuts in vital public services, notably the cops.

Knife crime rose in the early part of last decade when police number rose, and dropped after police numbers fell in 2008. There is no strong statistical correlation between the two.

In any case, how would police stop violent crime? They only ever arrive after the fact. Unless they do foot patrols, which they never do, they can't prevent anything.

 

[Seeds]

Let me guess....Your irony detector is broken.

its was a ridiculous strawman, not irony. The only real irony is you support the views of islamphobes whilst attacking liberals policies in the middle east.

 

[Procrastinator35]

its was a ridiculous strawman, not irony. The only real irony is you support the views of islamphobes whilst attacking liberals policies in the middle east.

Actually, No....It was topical, given the current climate of the Poms attempting to blame the Russians for everything & anything....You know: Actual Straw-men.

Geez.....You're not terribly good at this.

 

[medusala]

Because there's been massive cuts in vital public services, notably the cops.

Ha "massive" cuts. What a load of nonsense. Spending has increased every year under the Tories. Not only that but crime fell even with police cuts until recently. The plastic cops brought in by Blair did stuff all as they had no power of arrest, as if sacking them would affect this sort of crime.

Very few dispute that the primary cause is the decline in stop and search. May was warned about that but ignored that as the Tories were trying to suck up to the black community for votes

In any case, how would police stop violent crime? They only ever arrive after the fact. Unless they do foot patrols, which they never do, they can't prevent anything.

They no longer chase mopeds either. No encouragement there for criminals.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Ha "massive" cuts. What a load of nonsense. Spending has increased every year under the Tories. Not only that but crime fell even with police cuts until recently. The plastic cops brought in by Blair did stuff all as they had no power of arrest, as if sacking them would affect this sort of crime.

Very few dispute that the primary cause is the decline in stop and search. May was warned about that but ignored that as the Tories were trying to suck up to the black community for votes



They no longer chase mopeds either. No encouragement there for criminals.

lol more Medusala lies to protect his tories.

Police funding fell from 10/11 to 15/16. But hey, why let truth get in the way of protecting tories?

 

[medusala]

lol more Medusala lies to protect his tories.

Correlation and causation is way above your intellect. Stick to fabricating about tube fare freezes. Silly little momentum poodle.

Police funding fell from 10/11 to 15/16.

Prove correlation re police numbers and crime stats or shut up.

Regression analysis to you is probably between second lager shandy and the third one.

FFS, you cant even grasp the meaning of massive.

massive adjective
uk /ˈmæs.ɪv/ us /ˈmæs.ɪv/

large in size, amount, or number:

They have a massive house.
She died after taking a massive overdose of drugs.
If the drought continues, deaths will occur on a massive scale

 

[Bradesmaen]

Ok the problem is, and you do this every time, is that you change what you are saying. Here is some evidence straight up.

I posted this:

Police funding fell from 10/11 to 15/16. But hey, why let truth get in the way of protecting tories?

Which is in reference to your post here:

Ha "massive" cuts. What a load of nonsense. Spending has increased every year under the Tories. Not only that but crime fell even with police cuts until recently. The plastic cops brought in by Blair did stuff all as they had no power of arrest, as if sacking them would affect this sort of crime.

You directly said that spending had increased every year under the Tories. This is either a lie or an accident. The Audit office quoting direct figures from HM Government states that in real terms police funding has decreased by 18%, but national government funding has decreased by 25%, the other 7% has been offset by tax increases from difference police forces/councils to cover the gap.

The problem is then you go and get angry at me again for pointing out this error (which happens too often to be an accident) and try and somehow pin it on me or insult me with some reference to the 1950s, which you are clearly stuck in.

Correlation and causation is way above your intellect. Stick to fabricating about tube fare freezes. Silly little momentum poodle.

Prove correlation re police numbers and crime stats or shut up.

Regression analysis to you is probably between second lager shandy and the third one.

FFS, you cant even grasp the meaning of massive.

massive adjective
uk /ˈmæs.ɪv/ us /ˈmæs.ɪv/

large in size, amount, or number:

They have a massive house.
She died after taking a massive overdose of drugs.
If the drought continues, deaths will occur on a massive scale

I never once spoke about the correlation or causation between police numbers, police funding and the increase/decrease in crime in either NYC or London. Why you bring this up? No idea, but you just have this little hissy fits all the time to try and make people look bad, but are easily disproven like a Donald Trump lie.

For your reference and the last time I'm going to talk about this topic, because you keep trying to make it a slanging match over and over, here is the numbers from the Audit office, which also shows its references to HM Government.

https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/u...al-sustainability-of-police-forces.pdf#page=8

Thanks,
Brades.

 

[medusala]

You directly said that spending had increased every year under the Tories. This is either a lie or an accident.

Total spending, I didn't reference police spending. The quote was massive cuts in vital public services. See below.

..
"Because there's been massive cuts in vital public services, notably the cops."

There hasn't been massive cuts. That is a fact.

 

[The Delusionist]

Correlation and causation is way above your intellect.

You made a thread saying the London murder rate has over taken the New York murder rate, and blamed it on May, Khan and the crack down on hate crime.
What's your grasp on correlation and causation?

 

[medusala]

You made a thread saying the London murder rate has over taken the New York murder rate, and blamed it on May, Khan and the crack down on hate crime.
What's your grasp on correlation and causation?

lol. As stop and search goes down knife crime typically goes up. Correlation and causation. Who was behind reduced stop and search? Theresa May egged on by Khan.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/stop-and-search-is-our-best-weapon-in-the-fight-against-crime/


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/03...eir-reputation-as-the-party-of-law-and-order/

As Home Secretary, she toughened up the rules around the police’s use of stop and search, declaring in 2014 that the system was ‘unfair, -especially for young black men’. She warned that about a quarter of all stops that had been carried out the previous year were ‘probably illegal’, and threatened the police with legislation if they weren’t more restrained. At last year’s Tory conference, May claimed success. She said that following her changes, ‘the number of black people being stopped and searched has fallen by over two-thirds’.

She is right that there has been a dramatic drop in the number of all stops in recent years. It has gone from roughly 1.2 million in 2009 to around 300,000 last year. But it is less clear that this is something to be celebrated.

Secondly, there is the fact that the dramatic fall in stop and search has coincided with a rise in crime. Figures out in January show a 14 per cent increase in police–recorded crime. Knife crime is up by even more, 21 per cent, as is gun crime, 20 per cent. In London alone, seven people have been killed in stabbings or shootings since last Wednesday.

 

[The Delusionist]

lol. As stop and search goes down knife crime typically goes up. Correlation and causation. Who was behind reduced stop and search? Theresa May egged on by Khan.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/stop-and-search-is-our-best-weapon-in-the-fight-against-crime/


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/03...eir-reputation-as-the-party-of-law-and-order/

As Home Secretary, she toughened up the rules around the police’s use of stop and search, declaring in 2014 that the system was ‘unfair, -especially for young black men’. She warned that about a quarter of all stops that had been carried out the previous year were ‘probably illegal’, and threatened the police with legislation if they weren’t more restrained. At last year’s Tory conference, May claimed success. She said that following her changes, ‘the number of black people being stopped and searched has fallen by over two-thirds’.

She is right that there has been a dramatic drop in the number of all stops in recent years. It has gone from roughly 1.2 million in 2009 to around 300,000 last year. But it is less clear that this is something to be celebrated.

Secondly, there is the fact that the dramatic fall in stop and search has coincided with a rise in crime. Figures out in January show a 14 per cent increase in police–recorded crime. Knife crime is up by even more, 21 per cent, as is gun crime, 20 per cent. In London alone, seven people have been killed in stabbings or shootings since last Wednesday.

Your thread was about murders, not knife crime.

New York implemented a reduction in stop and frisks around 2012.
Looks like New York now does it less than London. Does that fit with your causation?

 

[Bradesmaen]

Your thread was about murders, not knife crime.

New York implemented a reduction in stop and frisks around 2012.
Looks like New York now does it less than London. Does that fit with your causation?

Meds will never accept logic when it comes to giving Sadiq s**t for being a muslim and Labour member.

 

[medusala]

Your thread was about murders, not knife crime.

A very high % of recent murders have involved knives. See below, some shootings but large number of stabbings.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/04/killed-in-2018-londons-victims-of-violence

Does that fit with your causation?

London isn't NY.

 

[medusala]

Meds will never accept logic when it comes to giving Sadiq s**t for being a muslim and Labour member.

lol says the Khan apologist (he didnt raise tube fares your honour). Good old Sadiq has changed his tune.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...my-power-to-cut-stop-and-search-a2924706.html

Sadiq Khan: 'I’d do everything in my power to cut stop and search'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tan-stabbings-acid-murder-moped-a8152371.html

Sadiq Khan to 'significantly increase' stop and search in London

Mayor says targeted use of powers will get weapons off the streets amid rise in stabbings

 

[The Delusionist]

London isn't NY.

Have a look at your thread title.
In fact, look at the entire premise of your thread.

 

[medusala]

Have a look at your thread title.
In fact, look at the entire premise of your thread.

So why has the London murder rate gone up? Does correlation hold true re stop and search? Yes. As for causation, well its hard to argue against that in light of any other cause. Its not like there has been a crack epidemic which many claimed was at the heart of violence in the US in the 80s and there is little evidence to suggest police numbers have a huge effect see below re police and crime in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/jul/18/police-officers-crime-statistics

 

[The Delusionist]

So why has the London murder rate gone up? Does correlation hold true re stop and search? Yes. As for causation, well its hard to argue against that in light of any other cause. Its not like there has been a crack epidemic which many claimed was at the heart of violence in the US in the 80s and there is little evidence to suggest police numbers have a huge effect see below re police and crime in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/jul/18/police-officers-crime-statistics

You are stating that New York going from having;

-More murders than London
-More stop and searches than London​

To New York having;

-Less murders than London
-Less stop and searches than London
​

Is evidence of causation that May, Khan and a crack down on hate crime is responsible for an increase in murders in London.