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RedV3x

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Sure, but 70K is still ridiculous for Darwin. As is 35K - still more than 20% of the population. The MCG capacity was never more than 1O% of Melbourne's population.
Agreed, but Waverley was designed to be 150,000 and even Subiaco was initially designed to be huge.
Today the focus has shifted from huge crowds to lower capacity sellouts and higher ratings.
 

RedV3x

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Auckland will be in line for a team, city of close on 2m building a new stadium enabling them to host games. Opens the game to a new market.
Hawthorn and the AFL invested in N.Z. and then the Saints took over. They got a decent crowd at the 400,000 population and windswept Wellington.
Participation numbers were impressive.
Auckland was derailed by the failure to build a new stadium and then Covid hit.
AFL NZ has a nominal national league and now have a women's competition.
Is the the new stadium now going ahead ?
It might be a little soon to rebound.
 

Seedsfan

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Hawthorn and the AFL invested in N.Z. and then the Saints took over. They got a decent crowd at the 400,000 population and windswept Wellington.
Participation numbers were impressive.
Auckland was derailed by the failure to build a new stadium and then Covid hit.
AFL NZ has a nominal national league and now have a women's competition.
Is the the new stadium now going ahead ?
It might be a little soon to rebound.
At the moment they are saying after covid they will start work on all the grounds. The AFL will benefit big time off the growth and strength of kiwi cricket as there is a massive push to get the ground done so Auckland can host international cricket
 

weewilly

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Just came across this in the AGE today. That is a massive increase for any sport in such a short time!

Nicole Livingstone, the AFL’s general manager for women’s football.
"The number of women and girls playing Australian football increased by 722 per cent from 73,000 participants in 2010 to 600,000 today"
 

BringBackTorps

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Just came across this in the AGE today. That is a massive increase for any sport in such a short time!

Nicole Livingstone, the AFL’s general manager for women’s football.
"The number of women and girls playing Australian football increased by 722 per cent from 73,000 participants in 2010 to 600,000 today"
Yes, there has been a massive increase in female AF around Australia since 2010- but the 600,000 figure is a fluff no.
The no. of females playing club & school comp. AF- the only real, & crucial criterion- is a minority of the 600,000 figure.

ALL sports in Australia cite fluff nos. for both males & females,, jnr & snr- where the big majority of each sports' "participants" are derived from one-off Gala Days, community events etc; & school phys. ed programs etc.
Soccer is worst, stats-wise, since it is played c. 10.5 months pa; is less tiring/injury prone- so players can play twice pw, with different entities; & has indoor & outdoor versions (Therefore much easier for the same soccer player to be counted multiple times- no sport cross checks names against various formats of each sport).

For Ausplay statistics, also be aware it is a survey that only interviewed 25,000 people; &, worse, if a person answers that they played the sport only once in the last 12 months, they are counted as a "participant" in that sport! Thus why Ausplay has such large nos. in athletics, & other obscure, sports.

The contact codes of AF, RL, & RU are MUCH less likely to have had persons play only once in 12 months - because these contact sports are "dangerous" to play, particularly for "fly-ins"; & they require much more commitment/training/experience, to be safe on the field (cf soccer, basketball, athletics etc. -where it is much easier to "waltz" into a club/school game as a fill-in, & be safe; &, also, possibly competitive).

 
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weewilly

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Yes, there has been a massive increase in female AF around Australia since 2010- but the 600,000 figure is a fluff no.
The no. of females playing club & school comp. AF- the only real, & crucial criterion- is a minority of the 600,000 figure.

ALL sports in Australia cite fluff nos. for both males & females,, jnr & snr- where the big majority of each sports' "participants" are derived from one-off Gala Days, community events etc; & school phys. ed programs etc.
Soccer is worst, stats-wise, since it is played c. 10.5 months pa; is less tiring/injury prone- so players can play twice pw; & has indoor & outdoor versions (therefore much easier for the same soccer player to be counted multiple times- np sport cross checks names against various formats of each sport).

For Ausplay statistics, also be aware it is a survey that only interviewed 25,000 people; &, worse, if a person answers that they played the sport only once in the last 12 months, they are counted as a "participant" in that sport! Thus why Ausplay has such large nos. in athletics, & other obscure, sports.

The contact codes of AF, RL, & RU are MUCH less likely to have had persons play only once in 12 months - because these contact sports are "dangerous" to play, particularly for "fly-ins"; & they require much more commitment/training/experience, to be safe on the field (cf soccer, basketball, athletics etc. -where it is much easier to "waltz" into a club/school game as a fill-in, & be safe; &, also, possibly competitive).

I was just reporting what she said. It is up to others to disprove the figures!
In any case as you say ALL the other sports fudge their figures as well.
 

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