Looking to the 2011 draft

[Gazza_11]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

Jackson Paine highlights.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/tabid/76/contentid/390663/jackson+paine+-+2011+highlights/default.aspx

A quick look at Brad Crouch as well;

http://www.afl.com.au/video/tabid/76/contentid/392344/brad+crouch+-+2011+highlights/default.aspx

Very small highlight packages, hopefully we'll get the 3-4 minute ones a bit later.

Crouch looks a gun. Has some serious pace to burn and very agile. Strong in the packs too. Kicking looked dodgy at the start but improved throughout.

Paine looks like a superb player. I can't help but wonder if we jumped the gun picking Lucas Cook (or any KPF) last year and should have perhaps selected a mid (such as Atley) in 2010? This kid really did have no competition as far as contested marking in that video and looks very mobile. Although there's a reason Cook was an Under-18 AA CHF. Who knows, we could end up selecting Paine as well.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

Crouch looks a gun. Has some serious pace to burn and very agile. Strong in the packs too. Kicking looked dodgy at the start but improved throughout.

Paine looks like a superb player. I can't help but wonder if we jumped the gun picking Lucas Cook (or any KPF) last year and should have perhaps selected a mid (such as Atley) in 2010? This kid really did have no competition as far as contested marking in that video and looks very mobile. Although there's a reason Cook was an Under-18 AA CHF. Who knows, we could end up selecting Paine as well.

Crouch's kicking is great, 2nd most effective kicks in the TAC Cup.

The video definitely didn't do him justice.

We should pick up Paine with our first pick, unless Kavanagh (really attacking midfielder...think Sylvia in some ways) is available.

There aren't many quality talls in this draft and we shouldn't bank on Paine being available at pick 30+.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

BTW, we should definitely look at trading for O'Meara.

He will be elite, look at his balance around the footy.

 

[Gazza_11]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

Crouch's kicking is great, 2nd most effective kicks in the TAC Cup.

The video definitely didn't do him justice.

We should pick up Paine with our first pick, unless Kavanagh (really attacking midfielder...think Sylvia in some ways) is available.

There aren't many quality talls in this draft and we shouldn't bank on Paine being available at pick 30+.

I'm very keen on Greene though. If we manage to secure either Crouch or O'Meara though, we might be looking to pick a KPF in the regular draft, despite the fact that Crouch/O'Meara can't play till 2013.

I posted the O'Meara video in the Scully compo thread. Will post it here too.

 

[Gazza_11]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

Jaeger O'Meara 2011 Under 18 Championships highlights

http://www.afl.com.au/video/tabid/76/contentid/392339/jaeger+omeara+-+2011+highlights/default.aspx

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

Greene would be a good pickup, but if Kavanagh is available he is the player we need to add to our midfield.

 

[Chip_]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

We should pick up Paine with our first pick, unless Kavanagh (really attacking midfielder...think Sylvia in some ways) is available.

There aren't many quality talls in this draft and we shouldn't bank on Paine being available at pick 30+.

Be happy to take Paine, but think we'll add to our midfield with our first pick. Kavanagh would be great, our only hope he gets there is if other clubs side-step him because they are concerned about injury, but look at how well Geelong did taking Selwood when others didn't. Tyson & Greene would be others i'd be more than happy to get at our 1st pick

Not sure if this has been posted, but this is the bio's of the tall forwards invited to the draft combine.

Other one's I like outside of Patton & Paine, maybe not for our first round pick, are Dobosz and the 2 who missed national champs for WA Kersten & McInnes. I'd be surprised if we used our 1st 2 picks on KPP after last years draft, so unlikely to take these guys if we take Paine. But, would be stoked to get any of these 3 if they fell to our 2nd pick.

I think we should again look at some alternatives other than just 18 yo like Howe last year.

Callum Wilson from WC, could look else where, think he's out of contract after 2 years as a rookie & then 2 years on the senior list. Only 22 & behind a long list of tall forwards at WC, kicked 46 goals in the WAFL this year. Has potential, played 7 games at AFL level. At the end of last season he played the last 3 games in a row & managed 8 goals, forwards can often taken time to make a mark but that's a pretty good return from a young guy especially seeing as won the spoon. But over summer Darling jumped in his spot. May at very least serve as a stop gap for a year or 2 while Cook develops. WC might let him go, so could potentially be a late/rookie pick up

 

[Gazza_11]

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As I mentioned earlier, I reckon we should look at Anthony Tipungwuti with a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Talented small forward, is very much like Jurrah. Unfit though.

Doubt Tyson will last beyond pick 4 or 5. Happy to be proven wrong. Dobosz is worth a look too, tore about the second division championships.

I like the idea of recruiting mature aged players, especially with our 3rd and 4th rounders given that the draft isn't too deep. On the flip side, we could draft players that barely make the cutoff date and didn't shine at Under 18 level due to be a lot younger than everyone else, like Tom McNamara.

 

[Jordie_tackles]

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As I mentioned earlier, I reckon we should look at Anthony Titunwungi with a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Talented small forward, is very much like Jurrah. Unfit though.

Doubt Tyson will last beyond pick 4 or 5. Happy to be proven wrong. Dobosz is worth a look too, tore about the second division championships.

I like the idea of recruiting mature aged players, especially with our 3rd and 4th rounders given that the draft isn't too deep. On the flip side, we could draft players that barely make the cutoff date and didn't shine at Under 18 level due to be a lot younger than everyone else, like Tom McNamara.

I like this, i would liken Tupinwugi (dunno the spelling) more to a fresh Wonna.... so if wonna can come back then maybe a wasted pick, although i dont think wonna has been a real crumber for a while

I also like the mature age idea, under 24-25 though someone like puopolo, Duigan, Curnow, Stratton, Barlow,

and a Class midfielder with the first pick, i really do think we lack i couple of mids, especially with Scully leaving

 

[Blackas87]

For a small forward how about Amhed Saad from the Northern Bullants

He will be a mature age pick at age 22 by draft day

Was in the draft last year but didn't get picked up.

But this year he went on to kick 50 goals from 20 games in the VFL

He will be looked at if clubs are after a small forward.

This is a bit of info and a video on him from last year before the draft.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/104511/default.aspx

 

[Eth]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

I'm hoping Matthew Buntine slips - he seems like the sort of player we should be looking at.

 

[tasmanlvr]

For a small forward how about Amhed Saad from the Northern Bullants

He will be a mature age pick at age 22 by draft day

Was in the draft last year but didn't get picked up.

But this year he went on to kick 50 goals from 20 games in the VFL

He will be looked at if clubs are after a small forward.

This is a bit of info and a video on him from last year before the draft.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/104511/default.aspx

If we got him I would imagine that we'd delist Wona.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

What I really want to happen is for us to go huge guns for one of O'Meara and Crouch.

Offer our two compo picks and Warnock if need be!

That (along with Viney coming) means we can truly focus our drafting on a 'needs' basis.

With the loss of Scully I felt that best available was a likely option.

We need to 'complete' our list... and not waste a couple of years doing so.

 

[Chip_]

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Doubt Tyson will last beyond pick 4 or 5. Happy to be proven wrong. Dobosz is worth a look too, tore about the second division championships.

I like the idea of recruiting mature aged players, especially with our 3rd and 4th rounders given that the draft isn't too deep. On the flip side, we could draft players that barely make the cutoff date and didn't shine at Under 18 level due to be a lot younger than everyone else, like Tom McNamara.

Don't think Tyson will be top 5, but almost certainly top 10, as I said if he lasted to our first pick I'd be more than happy.

Dobosz could be a steal, but so could either of the other 2, under rated because they missed the champs. Kersten reportedly plays like a really power full forward, compared himself to Fev & seen others say he plays similar to Jack Riewoldt. Averaged 5 marks & just under 4 goals a game playing colts this year(WA u18) & averaged 4 marks & 2 goals in 4 games playing Wafl reserves.

Just checked the WC board, they seem to think Wilson will get delisted because he's a surplus need, but lots of them saying he's unlucky & has potential, but may be cut to clear list space.

Taking Tommy Mc as a really young guy worked really well for us, didn't it? While I use to like that idea, with the increase in draft age I think it's a silly thing to do, taking Tmac was a calculated pick trying to get a player with a later pick who if we didn't take we were predicting would go much higher the follow year because he'd play under 18s again, but now that's not the case.

 

[Chip_]

For a small forward how about Amhed Saad from the Northern Bullants

Very heavily rumored to be a prelisted GWS player, almost no chance of us or even anyone else getting him.

 

[Gazza_11]

http://www.afl.com.au/video/tabid/76/contentid/360701/invoke/default.aspx

Tipungwuti from 00:56. Does some incredibly special things.

 

[Spirit of 39]

What I really want to happen is for us to go huge guns for one of O'Meara and Crouch.

Offer our two compo picks and Warnock if need be!

That (along with Viney coming) means we can truly focus our drafting on a 'needs' basis.

With the loss of Scully I felt that best available was a likely option.

We need to 'complete' our list... and not waste a couple of years doing so.

So effectively we lose a #1 draft pick and we gain a #1 draft pick. (One that wants to be at our club and one that potentially looks better than TS.) And we also help find Matty Warnock a home. Sounds like a win/win to me.

 

[Gazza_11]

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Taking Tommy Mc as a really young guy worked really well for us, didn't it? While I use to like that idea, with the increase in draft age I think it's a silly thing to do, taking Tmac was a calculated pick trying to get a player with a later pick who if we didn't take we were predicting would go much higher the follow year because he'd play under 18s again, but now that's not the case.

Wasn't really saying that Tommy Mc was a success by any means, just pointing out an example as to what I was talking about. For the record, Watts was only a month older when we picked him than what McNamara was when he was drafted the first time. And Watts has certainly turned out alright (although admittedly he was, unlike McNamara, a beaming talent that was bound to go Top 3).

I did note the change in draft age and how it does alter the potential to do something similar now, but I wouldn't say it's silly. Particularly if you're using a late pick and at worst you pick someone like TMac that dominates the VFL despite struggling to cut it in AFL.

It all comes down to what BP and the remained of our recruiting team thinks about the players born from September/October-December.

My only concern with Dobosz is his height. At 192, do we have too many players of the same type already? Can he really play taller than he actually is?

 

[stretcharmstrong]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

Jeez, if Tipungwuti could get fit he looks a brilliant crumbing option!

Paine's highlights weren't particularly impressive, does have eyes for the ball which is good, the last 30 seconds of his clip shows some good features.

Bloody hell, Jaeger is an absolute standout isn't he??

Thanks for posting guys

 

[Chip_]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

Wasn't really saying that Tommy Mc was a success by any means, just pointing out an example as to what I was talking about. For the record, Watts was only a month older when we picked him than what McNamara was when he was drafted the first time. And Watts has certainly turned out alright (although admittedly he was, unlike McNamara, a beaming talent that was bound to go Top 3).

I did note the change in draft age and how it does alter the potential to do something similar now, but I wouldn't say it's silly. Particularly if you're using a late pick and at worst you pick someone like TMac that dominates the VFL despite struggling to cut it in AFL.

It all comes down to what BP and the remained of our recruiting team thinks about the players born from September/October-December.

My only concern with Dobosz is his height. At 192, do we have too many players of the same type already? Can he really play taller than he actually is?

But who cares if he dominates the VFL? Watts is irrelevant, so is a player like Blease as other clubs would definitely have taken them if we didn't and they were all under the old draft age.

With the draft age changes, these guys are all in the same level at school, playing against the same sized & aged opponents, a guy who is born in June could be a late bloomer & be less developed than guy born in December. I think part of the reason they changed the age was because recruiters thought like this, "if in doubt choose the younger kid". MFC has a long history of this & not just under BP, the year we took Bate, Dunn & Juice they were 3 of the youngest drafted, that worked awesome for us...

Also sometimes its better to look the other way, rather than think that a young skinny kid will fill out, sometimes an older or more mature man-child isn't just a big kid, they come in & dominate senior level too, like Selwood or Darling

Dobosz is listed as 193, but who cares about height, as you said it's about whether they can play the position & own a key post, he has already done so in the TFL, so yeah he's a genuine KP player, not a tall mid sized Bate/Dunn type

 

[Gazza_11]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

But who cares if he dominates the VFL? Watts is irrelevant, so is a player like Blease as other clubs would definitely have taken them if we didn't and they were all under the old draft age.

With the draft age changes, these guys are all in the same level at school, playing against the same sized & aged opponents, a guy who is born in June could be a late bloomer & be less developed than guy born in December. I think part of the reason they changed the age was because recruiters thought like this, "if in doubt choose the younger kid". MFC has a long history of this & not just under BP, the year we took Bate, Dunn & Juice they were 3 of the youngest drafted, that worked awesome for us...

Dobosz is listed as 193, but who cares about height, as you said it's about whether they can play the position & he has already done so in the TFL, so yeah he's a genuine KP player, not a tall mid sized Bate/Dunn type

Either way it does ultimately come down to choosing the more talented option. It hasn't worked in the past for us, admittedly, and it's not ideal. The only reason I suggested it is because from many reports this draft is shallow. Therefore some of the bottom age players might be worth a look as the talent pool thins out progressing through the draft. Bate and Dunn were first round picks, it was stupid of us to choose them simply because they were young. I'm talking about doing it with a late pick. But by all means if there's an older player who looks to be the best option, we should choose him.

The draft age change does pretty much nullify this though because they can't play under 18s next year. Was just a thought.

Does anyone want to say who they'd choose for each of our picks? Personally I'd be going Greene, Kavanagh or Paine (in that order of preference) for our first pick and Dobosz and Tipungwuti (in order) for the second, off the top of my head.

Would be interested to see your thoughts TPM.

 

[Andy_Mac]

What I really want to happen is for us to go huge guns for one of O'Meara and Crouch.

Offer our two compo picks and Warnock if need be!

That (along with Viney coming) means we can truly focus our drafting on a 'needs' basis.

With the loss of Scully I felt that best available was a likely option.

We need to 'complete' our list... and not waste a couple of years doing so.

Throw in P12 this year and go for both!

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Now there's an idea!

Someone get on the phone to Schwab!

Err, I mean... Prendergast!

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

Either way it does ultimately come down to choosing the more talented option. It hasn't worked in the past for us, admittedly, and it's not ideal. The only reason I suggested it is because from many reports this draft is shallow. Therefore some of the bottom age players might be worth a look as the talent pool thins out progressing through the draft. Bate and Dunn were first round picks, it was stupid of us to choose them simply because they were young. I'm talking about doing it with a late pick. But by all means if there's an older player who looks to be the best option, we should choose him.

The draft age change does pretty much nullify this though because they can't play under 18s next year. Was just a thought.

Does anyone want to say who they'd choose for each of our picks? Personally I'd be going Greene, Kavanagh or Paine (in that order of preference) for our first pick and Dobosz and Tipungwuti (in order) for the second, off the top of my head.

Would be interested to see your thoughts TPM.

I think it all depends on whether we successfully acquire a mini-draft pick.

We don't get O'Meara I'd select Kavanagh first, simply because he has the ability to be an elite AFL performer.

We get O'Meara and I'd be selecting Paine personally, I wouldn't complain if we picked Greene but with Viney coming in 2013 I think we would be throwing all our eggs in the inside mid basket.

We need one more KPF IMO, and if both he and Cook develop we could easily play Cook as a CHB ala Ben Reid.

Elton will probably be gone by our first pick, as he has a lot of talent, but if he were available I think snapping him up before Paine would be prudent.

For our second pick I'd be tempted to go best available, especially considering this isn't an especially deep draft.

We can always get small forwards (Gotch, Anastasio, Maric for example) with a rookie pick.

 

[WattsGoodForYou]

Re: Looking to the 2012 draft

Dobo. will be a late draftee or rookie. Don't know why he is being so highly rated...yeap he did good things in the under 18's but barely had an impact at senior level this year...

So yeah calm down. He will be good but is way off atm.