Looking to the draft...

[PyroCrow]

looks like you guys won't be players in the u17 mini draft

Well there goes my theory...

 

[Pariah]

We had better have something spectacular planned for our draft picks...

Honestly, at what point does this become intentional sabotage?

"GWS don't want another pick," Rendell said.

If Matt Rendall is right it wouldn't matter if we offered up draft picks.

 

[scoota10]

Adelaide !!!!!

NO GUTS, NO GLORY.

 

[DANGERZONE123]

looks like you guys won't be players in the u17 mini draft




http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/118480/default.aspx

What I got from this was that we'll still put in an offer, but the realistic expectations of actually achieving a spot is impossible in Adelaide's eyes. Personally, if Adelaide do miraculously get a spot, we'll go for Kennedy to fill a need. But, I believe GWS is only use 2 maybe 3 spots, and those spots will be taken by top echelon players such as #1 O'Maera, #2Garlett, #3 Possibly Grundy.

I have no doubt though, unless something drastically changes, we'll be gunning for Kennedy in the proper 2012 draft, so not all is lost.

Now to this years draft, my preferences for our picks would go as followed (presuming Vince leaves to a Essendon for instance, which seems fairly likely atm, receiving a Rd1 pick in return (late teens))

RD1, Pick 1, 8-12: Mitch Grigg - may go earlier, but if available, he is a must take. Everything we need in a player, regardless if he is viewed as a tad slow.
RD1, Pick 2, 15-20: Brad MacKenzie - another SA boy. Will be a quality mid, who will be valuable floating across half back on occassion. Pretty nice long boot.

^^ Both leftfooters ^^

RD2, Pick 1, Late 20's-Early 30's: Josh Waldhunter most likely, but I'd prefer Lachie Neale, but we could easily get Neale later on if we're lucky

 

[cammo6556]

If Matt Rendall is right it wouldn't matter if we offered up draft picks.

Perhaps, but we could get it done if we wanted to. Someone will want to, and we will look like idiots for walking away. If he ends up at port I think I'll be sick.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

looks like you guys won't be players in the u17 mini draft

Oh gee, what a shock.

As if we were ever going to give it a crack.

Sorry, but I knew this day one.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

What I got from this was that we'll still put in an offer, but the realistic expectations of actually achieving a spot is impossible in Adelaide's eyes. Personally, if Adelaide do miraculously get a spot, we'll go for Kennedy to fill a need. But, I believe GWS is only use 2 maybe 3 spots, and those spots will be taken by top echelon players such as #1 O'Maera, #2Garlett, #3 Possibly Grundy.

I have no doubt though, unless something drastically changes, we'll be gunning for Kennedy in the proper 2012 draft, so not all is lost.

Now to this years draft, my preferences for our picks would go as followed (presuming Vince leaves to a Essendon for instance, which seems fairly likely atm, receiving a Rd1 pick in return (late teens))

RD1, Pick 1, 8-12: Mitch Grigg - may go earlier, but if available, he is a must take. Everything we need in a player, regardless if he is viewed as a tad slow.
RD1, Pick 2, 15-20: Brad MacKenzie - another SA boy. Will be a quality mid, who will be valuable floating across half back on occassion. Pretty nice long boot.

^^ Both leftfooters ^^

RD2, Pick 1, Late 20's-Early 30's: Josh Waldhunter most likely, but I'd prefer Lachie Neale, but we could easily get Neale later on if we're lucky

I can't see Vince leaving the Crows unless the Crows ant to move him on......

My understanding is the club has put an offer to Vince and he has given every indication that he wants to stay......

I've said from day 1 that I believe both Vince and Tex will be here next year and I'm still confident that will be the case

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

Oh gee, what a shock.

As if we were ever going to give it a crack.

Sorry, but I knew this day one.

You underestimate our tactics. Kennedy is not expected to go in the first two in the 2012 draft and we will have a very early pick.

 

[cammo6556]

You underestimate our tactics. Kennedy is not expected to go in the first two in the 2012 draft and we will have a very early pick.

so we are keeping Neil around to ensure we snare Kennedy in the 2012 draft? genius! hehe

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

You underestimate our tactics. Kennedy is not expected to go in the first two in the 2012 draft and we will have a very early pick.

Yeah, that's it.

Lets have 3 shit years in a row and keep the same coach, awesome strategy.

 

[Vader]

Has anyone stopped to think what these 17yo kids are actually worth - and what we would be asked to give up for them?

I suspect the asking price is >>> the value, hence the club has sensibly walked away shaking their heads and muttering about GWS not being kind enough to use the KY jelly first.

I, for one, think that it is lunacy to consider losing Vince + a compensation pick, or Vince + our 1st round pick, for a kid who is probably still going to be available at our 1st selection next year anyway. Doubly so when you consider that he can't even play in 2012 anyway.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

agree with Vader

it's difficult to be critical on the club (on this one) until we know what the actual selling price was, until then we can't make an assessment

 

[Schulzycrow]

Really don't think Bernie is going anywhere. He is out of contract and just trying to boost his price a bit. We shouldn't be selling the farm this year anyhow, save that for 2012 when we have some more low picks

 

[fabs33]

so we are keeping Neil around to ensure we snare Kennedy in the 2012 draft? genius! hehe

The admins are tanking and Craig doesn't even realise it.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Has anyone stopped to think what these 17yo kids are actually worth - and what we would be asked to give up for them?

I suspect the asking price is >>> the value, hence the club has sensibly walked away shaking their heads and muttering about GWS not being kind enough to use the KY jelly first.

I, for one, think that it is lunacy to consider losing Vince + a compensation pick, or Vince + our 1st round pick, for a kid who is probably still going to be available at our 1st selection next year anyway. Doubly so when you consider that he can't even play in 2012 anyway.

Absolutely. The price they were asking may indeed be too high.

Unless another club swoops in and takes him. If that happens then there should be hell to pay.

 

[Vader]

Absolutely. The price they were asking may indeed be too high.

Unless another club swoops in and takes him. If that happens then there should be hell to pay.

Lets just wait and see who gets traded and what price the clubs are prepared to pay for them.

I'm all for chasing young talented players, but I don't see any point in throwing the baby out with the bath water. Kennedy is not worth Vince + a 1st round selection (compo or otherwise).

 

[PyroCrow]

Kennedy is not worth Vince + a 1st round selection (compo or otherwise).

This suggestion only about when we believed that a) a Kennedy deal was possible and b) Vince wanted out. Vince may or may not want to leave but if he does want to go we need to come up with the best deal to benefit us. This may involve trading for young talent (such as Kennedy) or an established mid etc.

 

[BACCS]

Kennedy deal unlikely

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/118480/default.aspx

GWS are asking for way above what we are willing to offer for a guy who can't even play next year.

Adelaide made an informal approach to GWS about the classy ball winner, but walked away from the conversation doubting they would be willing pay the Giants' hefty asking price.

In fact, the Crows deemed a deal with GWS to be so unlikely they decided against submitting a list of players of interest to the AFL by the July 1 deadline.

It's understood Adelaide wasn't the only club not to do so.

Despite not lodging a list with the League, the Crows are still able to bid for one of the Giants' concessionary selections.

However, football operations manager Phil Harper said the club was realistic about the chances of any potential bid being successful.

"We're just not confident we'd be able to get a deal done, having talked to [GWS}," Harper told afl.com.au.

"You've got to be careful what you're paying out for a guy, who can't even play next year.

"Unless it's a really super-good deal, GWS aren't interested and unless it's a really super-good deal for us, we're probably not interested either.

"It probably won't happen, I don’t think."

Also, doesn't look like GWS will want picks for these players according to Rendell. Can't see much action happening with these 17 year olds if GWS are going to play hardball with all clubs.

 

[Vader]

Interesting that Adelaide are not the only club who have laughed at GWS' intransigence.

Comments on the D&T Board indicate that we may have made the right decision:

Rendell's probably right but you'd expect GWS will still be super keen on all the compo picks in the system as they could use them in next year's draft. I'd expect a first round compo pick plus a decent player to get any club into the mini draft.

If PO is correct (and I think they're on the money), then this is a very high price to pay for a 17yo kid who won't even be able to play for the club in 2012.

I hope Brisbane doesn't take part in this underage player draft. We can't afford to pay anything even close to overs in a trade for quite a few years (thanks fev). I doubt there are any players that GWS would be interested in on our list that we would regard as tradeable anyway.

Nothing to do with Adelaide, but this Brisbane supporter doesn't want his club paying "overs" either...

 

[cammo6556]

Interesting that Adelaide are not the only club who have laughed at GWS' intransigence.

Comments on the D&T Board indicate that we may have made the right decision:

If PO is correct (and I think they're on the money), then this is a very high price to pay for a 17yo kid who won't even be able to play for the club in 2012.

Nothing to do with Adelaide, but this Brisbane supporter doesn't want his club paying "overs" either...

Awesome win, Vader. Some bloke called Gibbo has a similar opinion to you. Congrats

 

[WALL-e]

Not nominating has nothing to do with us not participating.

 

[Vader]

Awesome win, Vader. Some bloke called Gibbo has a similar opinion to you. Congrats

I was just curious to see what the opinions were on the D&T board, from people who don't have the vested interests that we do. Was the general consensus that we made the right decision, or do they general public think that we're idiots for overlooking an opportunity?

Turns out that there haven't been many posts on the subject yet, but there are none yet which suggest that Adelaide got it wrong.

It's only people on here, who are obsessed with shiny new toys, who are throwing tantys and saying that Adelaide have blundered massively as usual. Most people elsewhere don't see the point in paying $200 for something valued at closer to $120, which is what many BigFooty Adelaide fans seem keen on doing (or at least are unhappy that the club isn't).

 

[cammo6556]

I was just curious to see what the opinions were on the D&T board, from people who don't have the vested interests that we do. Was the general consensus that we made the right decision, or do they general public think that we're idiots for overlooking an opportunity?

Turns out that there haven't been many posts on the subject yet, but there are none yet which suggest that Adelaide got it wrong.

It's only people on here, who are obsessed with shiny new toys, who are throwing tantys and saying that Adelaide have blundered massively as usual. Most people elsewhere don't see the point in paying $200 for something valued at closer to $120, which is what many BigFooty Adelaide fans seem keen on doing (or at least are unhappy that the club isn't).

FWIW, I agree in principle that the concept of paying $200 for something worth $120 is stupid. The problem lies within the fact that in 10 years time, Kennedy may well be worth $1000, but we were too short sighted to see that. WE are risking losing him altogether.

Are port keen on him? What happens if they suck more than us next year? We lose him. Done. Dusted. 12 years of watching him tear us a new one at showdowns.

If walking away pays off, fantastic, well played AFC. If it backfires, then it will be another in a long long line of disastrous decisions.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

"You've got to be careful what you're paying out for a guy, who can't even play next year.

Patrick Dangerfield Board.

Interesting that Adelaide are not the only club who have laughed at GWS' intransigence.

Interesting that not all clubs have laughed at GWS' intransigence.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It's only people on here, who are obsessed with shiny new toys, who are throwing tantys and saying that Adelaide have blundered massively as usual. Most people elsewhere don't see the point in paying $200 for something valued at closer to $120, which is what many BigFooty Adelaide fans seem keen on doing (or at least are unhappy that the club isn't).

Andrew McLeod Board.