Opinion Looking towards 2018

[HARKER]

It's not Round One that matters. It's what happens during the season and how we stand at the end that really matters.

Well, yes.........Isn't that what I wrote?
There's also no guarantee that when one is entrenched for good form that he'd be dropped just to make way for a newbie on a 'just because' basis.

Given this years movement, I don't think we'll be rolling out kids, for kids sake. As Stig put forward, it should be managed prudently. No?

 

[Soapy V]

The other terrific thing Bolton does is empower the group.

In the past we had a reputation as a team of introverts, BB has made it inclusive, doesn’t matter if you’ve played 2 games or 222, everyone is as important as the next and shares responsibility.

For a young group, that’s a great initiative.

Totally agree. One thing that seems to get overlooked is that SOS has recruited driven quality kids. Go to training and its names like Weitering Cripps Marchbank SPS Charlie Pickett Silvagni that are the voices and lead the way as much as anyone else.

There is no issue with kids earning spots. They all want it and they all work hard

The biggest problem Bolton has is trying to fit them all in

 

[HARKER]

Change of roles;

CCurnow is all the buzz about having stints through the midfield.
Weitering seems to have been earmarked for the back-line, so may not be any changes there early on, at least.

For all the talk of Bolton wanting a flexible group, I can't see a real need to make mix thing up too much.
That can change of course, but who else may be going somewhere else next year?

 

[Stig O'Hara]

For all the talk of Bolton wanting a flexible group, I can't see a real need to make mix thing up too much.
That can change of course, but who else may be going somewhere else next year?

Saw Jack go back a few times.

Hound me down, use him and JW as swingmen.

Weitering had his issues this year, and had the learning year he had to have.

However, he’s a much better player than a bookend ff/fb.

 

[HARKER]

Saw Jack go back a few times.
Hound me down, use him and JW as swingmen.

Weitering had his issues this year, and had the learning year he had to have.

However, he’s a much better player than a bookend ff/fb.

I don't mind it at all.
Wonder whether Jack will be trailed through the centre every now and then.
Maybe no need to, but wouldn't mind seeing what he can do. At least urgency at the contest wouldn't be a downfall.

 

[Soapy V]

Saw Jack go back a few times.

Hound me down, use him and JW as swingmen.

Weitering had his issues this year, and had the learning year he had to have.

However, he’s a much better player than a bookend ff/fb.

I think Jack is a defender in the making so not against it.

Some people like Weitering forward but I'm against it especially in 2018. Let the kid settle in defence and he will be part of a gun defence and be the leader of it. He is a jet. In the future he can go forward when needed but his future is as a defender

 

[thylacine60]

Saw Jack go back a few times.

Hound me down, use him and JW as swingmen.

Weitering had his issues this year, and had the learning year he had to have.

However, he’s a much better player than a bookend ff/fb.

Logic, clarity, insight - Numbers, you've been hacked!

 

[Jabba73]

Logic, clarity, insight - Numbers, you've been hacked!

It's not dark outside yet

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Logic, clarity, insight - Numbers, you've been hacked!

I have occasional moments....

 

[thylacine60]

It's not dark outside yet

we wait......

 

[thebluelagoon]

Gibbs is a big hole to fill.

We are going to need some major step up in lasts years output from:
Lang
Kennedy
Cuningham


Lang and Kennedy are new to the team but they didn't consistently produce for their team the way Gibbs did.

Somebody needs a major breakout and these three are the ones primed for it!

its going to be exciting to see what these three can do with their opportunities

 

[thylacine60]

any time gibbs is mentioned as a loss (and he is no doubt) I just recall what sos turned him into - exactly what was it again?

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

One thing I am looking forward to is Charlie clearing from the middle and creaming a flat 50 metre bullet laces out to a rampaging Charlie 30 out dead in front.

Is Charlie front and centre ffs!!

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

HARKER top thread mate well done

I know my limitations and wont comment on all points mainly because that's not me.

The main things I am looking at this year is Bolton to be voted the best coach and Mckay/Curnow to become the next Buddy/Rough.

 

[therubbernub]

Post your opinions on:

1. What's your starting team for 2018
2. Players whose should stocks should rise and whose stocks may fall.
3. What do you think of the notion of Cripps spending more time playing forward.
4. Change of roles: Who is going to have a role change next year and why?
5. What are your thoughts on the likes of Thomas, Kerridge, Graham, Rowe and Lamb getting games?
6. Who is going to kick most goals for the CFC in 2018?

What are your concerns?

1. Will the back-line function without Docherty?
2. How will our midfield perform without Gibbs? Who is going to step up and become part of the centre-square rotation?
3. Who is our next cab off the rank Ruck-man, should Kreuzer get injured? Is it going to be Lobbe or Phillips?

It's a bit of a catch-all thread here, so just answer one question or one question at a time, or pose your own queries/concerns. Anything CFC 2018.

1 Too hard
2 Rise: Kerr Polson Weitering Harry SPS Cripps Lang Garlett Williamson Pickett LeBois
Fall: Silvagni, Cuningham, Charlie, Byrne wright
3 Good
4 Cripps forward, Lamb back, Williamson midfield,
5 All will get games
6 kerr

Concerns
1 Fine
2 Will outperform and surprise many just like the crows after losing Danger. many will step up including some surprises: polson and Williamson
3 Phillips

 

[SurreyBlue]

any time gibbs is mentioned as a loss (and he is no doubt) I just recall what sos turned him into - exactly what was it again?

Overall Thy, it is Kennedy & O’Brien right now. Our next years (3rd or 4th) rounder will come into calculations but for now it’s this. Others are just pick changes which are just that.

 

[SurreyBlue]

1 Too hard
2 Rise: Kerr Polson Weitering Harry SPS Cripps Lang Garlett Williamson Pickett LeBois
Fall: Silvagni, Cuningham, Charlie, Byrne wright
3 Good
4 Cripps forward, Lamb back, Williamson midfield,
5 All will get games
6 kerr

Concerns
1 Fine
2 Will outperform and surprise many just like the crows after losing Danger. many will step up including some surprises: polson and Williamson
3 Phillips

It’s the 2nd and 3rd year kids the improvement must come from.
Polson, Cunningham, Garlett, Pickett, Fisher are crucial in our progression next year. For us to push towards the top 8 in 2018, this group must take strides through the midfield.

For mine SPS will just keep improving as the kid is just all genuine class.
I expect Kennedy and Lang to their jobs and more importantly cover the Gibbs loss.
I’m confident others such as Williamson, Charlie & SOJ to play their roles and don’t expect too much from this years draftees.

 

[Robertio]

Well, yes.........Isn't that what I wrote?
There's also no guarantee that when one is entrenched for good form that he'd be dropped just to make way for a newbie on a 'just because' basis.

Given this years movement, I don't think we'll be rolling out kids, for kids sake. As Stig put forward, it should be managed prudently. No?

Yes.

 

[Soapy V]

It’s the 2nd and 3rd year kids the improvement must come from.
Polson, Cunningham, Garlett, Pickett, Fisher are crucial in our progression next year. For us to push towards the top 8 in 2018, this group must take strides through the midfield.

For mine SPS will just keep improving as the kid is just all genuine class.
I expect Kennedy and Lang to their jobs and more importantly cover the Gibbs loss.
I’m confident others such as Williamson, Charlie & SOJ to play their roles and don’t expect too much from this years draftees.

I think Dow may surprise you. He will do in 2018 what SPS did in 2017. A fit Garlett could play 22 games

 

[F_therest]

Gibbs is a big hole to fill.

We are going to need some major step up in lasts years output from:
Lang
Kennedy
Cuningham


Lang and Kennedy are new to the team but they didn't consistently produce for their team the way Gibbs did.

Somebody needs a major breakout and these three are the ones primed for it!

its going to be exciting to see what these three can do with their opportunities

We certainly have more talented depth now at least with those 3 in particular but also Garlett, Dow & O'Brien.

Being older and more experienced, the 3 you mentioned are the ones that really need to step up to fill the Gibbs void but the 3 I mentioned could all be really handy contributors, and should be key players in a few years time.

 

[Soapy V]

We certainly have more talented depth now at least with those 3 in particular but also Garlett, Dow & O'Brien.

Being older and more experienced, the 3 you mentioned are the ones that really need to step up to fill the Gibbs void but the 3 I mentioned could all be really handy contributors, and should be key players in a few years time.

........... and Pickett Polson SPS Charlie Fisher Mullett plus can Kerridge improve his disposal? We also lost Cripps & Curnow for a fair bit of 2017. Plenty of options.

 

[Red Bull]

We need a small defender , always fancied Polson being groomed for the job ?
Jones has earnt a start but he'd want to perform again as I'm very keen on Macreadie .
The sooner we can settle Curnow and McKay as our key forwards with Silvagni as the 3rd forward the better .
Surround these 3 with Murphy , Pickett and Garlett .
Now save for Murphy , that's a very young forward line but pump the games into them and let them grow together and soon enough opposition defenses will be very very nervous .
Long story short , games and development into the youth asap .
For the first time in a long time , I'm confident in the CFC

 

[Blue__Balls]

1. What's your starting team for 2018

FB: Simpson, Jones, Marchbank
HB: Byrne, Weitering, Plowman
C: Lang, E. Curnow, SPS
R: Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy
HF: Cuningham, C. Curnow, Pickett
FF: Wright, Casboult, SOS
I/C: Kennedy, Williamson, Fisher, Thomas

Tough lineup to pick. Starting 22 has Casboult, but I think he'll be phased out of the side permanently by year's end in favour of McKay. Ditto Daisy, with Polson and Garlett pushing for that spot. Draftees no longer afforded an early start unless they dominate preseason.

2. Players whose should stocks should rise and whose stocks may fall.

Kennedy and Lang to show some serious midfield chops. Charlie to have a big breakout year. Full season for Crippa sees him AA.

3. What do you think of the notion of Cripps spending more time playing forward.

Don't mind him resting in the square, but it should really be his rest periods only and no more than that. Keep him at the coalface as much as fitness allows.

4. Change of roles: Who is going to have a role change next year and why?

Someone is going to be trialled as a small defender. Garlett, Lamb, Fisher, Pickett and Polson would be the ones in mind I think (in that order for me).

5. What are your thoughts on the likes of Thomas, Kerridge, Graham, Rowe and Lamb getting games?

Expect Daisy to get 10 or so games. Lamb will be dependent on whether he can specialise as that defensive small ahead of our younger terriers. Rowe done as far as seniors is concerned. Same for Graham. Kerridge is a tough call - works his arse off, but that's no longer a point of difference at Carlton.

6. Who is going to kick most goals for the CFC in 2018?

Charlie to get 40-50 in the bank. McKay and Casboult to average almost 2 per game, but neither to play more than 15 or so games. Wright to drop back a bit as the out tall forwards become more threatening.

What are your concerns?

1. Will the back-line function without Docherty?

Reckon it will be surprising how we'll our backline holds up without him. He's a great player, but by no means irreplaceable in the short term - a lot will hinge on the defensive pressure from our midfield.

2. How will our midfield perform without Gibbs? Who is going to step up and become part of the centre-square rotation?

Lang and Kennedy to slot straight in. Improved performance from SPS. We'll be ok.

3. Who is our next cab off the rank Ruck-man, should Kreuzer get injured? Is it going to be Lobbe or Phillips?

Lobbe every day of the week. Impacts the ruck contest and does plenty of follow up work at ground level too.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I thInk Dow may surprise you. He will do in 2018 what SPS did in 2017. A fit Garlett could play 22 games

Hey Soapy, I think your right and he’ll probably do tha, but IMO the fact that we don’t necessarily depend on this kid’s improvement in 2018 to make us better, is the biggest bonus. O’Brien as well.

 

[Soapy V]

Hey Soapy, I think your right and he’ll probably do tha, but IMO the fact that we don’t necessarily depend on this kid’s improvement in 2018 to make us better, is the biggest bonus. O’Brien as well.

agree but I still see 2018 as a year Bolton will again try and get as many games as possible into the kids. The kids are the ones that will take us to the next flag so they need to keep developing. I see a year very similar to 2017 but the difference being is players like Weitering Cripps Marchbank Plowman Silvagni will step up and take more of a leadership role. It's not about 2018, it's about 2019 and beyond and being ready to start challenging

I see SPS Pickett Williamson McKay Charlie Silvagni Weitering Byrne Marchbank Cuningham Kennedy Fisher Garlett playing most games. Dow O'Brien Polson could easily play 10-15 games in 2018.

Then hopefully most of LeBois Schumacher Kerr DeKoning get 5-10 games experience

I don't think that's overboard and most weeks we still have Kruezer Murphy Cripps Lang Simpson Curnow Jones Wright in the side.