Multiplat Loot Boxes, Gambling or Not?

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This video highlights more reasons to hate on EA. They are a cancer on the videogame industry. I implore my fellow videogame fans to boycott EA's games.

 

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But with cards you're buying something physical, and you can trade as much as you want without the central IP owner also clipping the ticket on every trade.
Of course there’s a difference, but that difference doesn’t mean that loot boxes isn’t a form of gambling. The point is that you get something for your money, but you take a chance on the value of that something.
 

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Agree, but trading cards were mostly aimed at kids at the oldest - in the very young teens with no disposable income. Some hardcore nagging of the parents back in the day.
and we used to have these bad boys aimed at kids as well


I also remember a chocolate "cigar" at my local milk bar, forget it's name

these days trading cards have been replaced by other blind purchases, collectable toys that you don't know what you are getting until you open.

In the case of those I don't think they are sold to hook kids onto casino's they are just sold because gambling behavior works on people of all ages

that's the thing, loot boxes are getting looked at because there is no physical object and people build up big $$ with nothing to show, most of these collectable toys are worth fu** all as well but you can sell them on eBay and you have a bit of plastic so people worry less, though they shouldn't
 

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Of course there’s a difference, but that difference doesn’t mean that loot boxes isn’t a form of gambling. The point is that you get something for your money, but you take a chance on the value of that something.
True, but I suppose there are other considerations like access. Digital goods are instant, come out of credit cards rather then cash at a shop.

I suppose online gambling vs gambling at the race track or TAB.

If you got plastic toys whenever you bet at the pub.

OK it’s not such a great analogy.


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https://hexus.net/gaming/news/industry/122051-belgian-govt-opens-criminal-investigation-ea/

Today there are reports that Belgium's Gaming Commission has opened up a criminal investigation via the Brussels Public Prosecutor's Office, and EA might be faced with going to court. Specifically it has been observed that EA has kept its Ultimate Team card packs in FIFA 18 and upcoming release 19 and has given no indication that it will make changes to comply with the law in Belgium.
 

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https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-09-17-australian-investigation-finds-loot-boxes-are-pscyholgocially-akin-to-gambling

'Video game loot boxes are psychologically akin to gambling'
Zendle and Cairns' investigation found the more severe an individual's gambling addiction, the more they typically spent on loot boxes, suggesting the results support claims that loot boxes are "psychologically akin to gambling".

The report added that "these results also suggest that there is a serious risk for loot boxes to cause gambling-related harm".

In particular, the report suggested, loot boxes could act as a gateway to problem gambling among gamers, and provide gaming companies with an unregulated way of "exploiting gambling disorders among their customers".

it was recommended that games containing loot boxes carry parental advisories and a description that clearly state the presence of "in-game gambling content".

Additionally, restricting the sale of games that contain loot boxes to players of the legal gambling age should be given "serious consideration".


Lets see if they act on this. I wonder how EA would act if Fifa got slapped with a R rating, or 2K with NBA.
 

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Good, they need to protect kids from this crap. Games can be addictive enough with people's time, you don't want to also hitch your wallet to the same addiction.
Firstly I wouldn't rely on the senate getting this right as the enquiry is most likely being driven by religious zealots and most senators won't have much understanding of the nuances of gaming.

Also, If they stop loot boxes for games in Aus I'm sure the likes of EA will gouge us more for games.

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If they stop loot boxes for games in Aus I'm sure the likes of EA will gouge us more for games.

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That's not a reason to allow it but it's a pretty good reason for me to not buy a game from EA
They price gouge already, what game companies do should be illegal and/or the games should be 18+ that allow it.

There is no regulation at the moment it's about time that changed
 

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That's not a reason to allow it but it's a pretty good reason for me to not buy a game from EA
They price gouge already, what game companies do should be illegal and/or the games should be 18+ that allow it.

There is no regulation at the moment it's about time that changed
I'm no fan of loot boxes but I'm even less of a fan of government regulation especially when they're likely to fu** it up.

We already live in enough of a nanny state.

Far better targets would be fast food advertising and the proliferation of sports betting advertising and banning or limiting that but I have a feeling that their are too many political snouts in the gambling and fast food lobby pockets for their being enough political capital to effect change.

Gaming is an easy target.

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Loot boxes wouldn't really be a problem if children didn't have access to their parents credit cards.
 

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No issue with cosmetics earned via game play with no monetary requirements ea gets hated on but the loot bags in nhl19 are fine.

s**t like pubg and their locked boxes can fu** right off though
 

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Firstly I wouldn't rely on the senate getting this right as the enquiry is most likely being driven by religious zealots and most senators won't have much understanding of the nuances of gaming.

Also, If they stop loot boxes for games in Aus I'm sure the likes of EA will gouge us more for games.

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Plenty of games make good money without micro-transactions. They just take a lot of time and creative energy, they are also a bigger risk. The suits would rather just back in the low risk, high reward world of micro transactions where they go hunting for moby dick.

Consumers need to band together make it a losing strategy but I will gladly have a bit of support from the government when some of these mechanics are a form of gambling. WA doesn't have pokies so we pay higher prices in pubs and clubs but it is something i'd rather pay for in some way personally rather than the families of those affected by it in a massive way.
 
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