Losing faith in Greg Miller!

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We are a dead set rabble and Greg Miller whose appointment I have always supported has now been there a fair while. But the truth is im starting to lose faith in his capacity to turn it around. Miller built his reputation at North based on the fact he fleeced Sydney of Wayne Carey and John Longmuir. I cant see any Wayne Careys around at the moment heading to Richmond. We have clear strategic problems. Our coaching staff is poor, our football department is below par, our recruiting a disgrace. Greg Miller continues to support the people who have failed us for a long time!

In the last 2 years during Gregs reign at RFC he has brought to the club or atleast overseen the recruiting of Johnson and Brown (I may add to the expense of Wells and Dunn or another top young player) he oversaw the recruitment of Jay Schulz over Byron Schammer (according to Terry Wallace Schulz isnt up to AFL standard). This season we went out and got Shane Morrison and Luke Weller ( Terry Wallace doesnt particularly rate Morrison either) Weller hasnt shown us anything. I dont expect much from Fletcher either. This type of recruiting is poor. It wont help Richmond.

We havent over the past 2 years secured early picks...we have given ours away. We have ended up with a poor list and the truth is i dont think we've improved in the last 2 years. I am starting to lose faith in Greg Miller. I love the tiges but right now I want us to lose the next 17 games. Why because its our only hope for a better future. Bring on the Kids and lets see what happens!
 

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You're barking up the wrong tree Super!
Greg is the only one ho will make the hard decisions. You build a club around a guy like that, not do the typicl Richmond thing and discard him
 

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Miller has a good eye for young talent but he was not the only one at the Kangaroos who was responsible for recruitment. Given that we, the Kangaroos, still continue to draft good quality players since he has left then I think you got part of the recruitment team, not the entire team.

He is good at getting people to the club, I still think he needs help with having the people around that can identify the talent.
 
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Fair dinkum how hard can it be. All im saying is that i dont think weve made big improvements at all. we got johnson and brown but missed on wells and dunn or tenace or whatever. as for drafting quality seriously how hard can it be on the day of the draft...the herald sun, the age and the australian put out in order phantom drafts...fair dinkum we should get the editors to do our recruiting. Infact if wed done what was in the papers we'd have had Pavlich and afew others by now- that we dont have lol.
 

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Originally posted by Supertiger
Fair dinkum how hard can it be. All im saying is that i dont think weve made big improvements at all. we got johnson and brown but missed on wells and dunn or tenace or whatever. as for drafting quality seriously how hard can it be on the day of the draft...the herald sun, the age and the australian put out in order phantom drafts...fair dinkum we should get the editors to do our recruiting. Infact if wed done what was in the papers we'd have had Pavlich and afew others by now- that we dont have lol.
Wells is going to be a good player in 3 to 5 years, will do things now and then but he is 18. Richmond wants success now, not in 5 years. So they are drafting people that can play football now.

Jonson and Brown are good quality players and they are not the reason why Richmond is not playing well.

Yeah, Pavlich was a massive miss considering they went with Fiora. Richmond just needs to be aggressive about getting good quality young players at the club.

Was Miller around when they went for Fiora?
 
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Miller arrived during the trade period of 2002 so he hasn't had a whole 2 years as yet. He spent 2003 analysing our list and within the contraints on the draft system he offloaded a third of our list (bidders, king, mills, vardy, holland, ...) at the end of last year - no loss seeing any of them go - and drafted a whole heap of kids. There'll most likely be a similar amount going at the end of this year given the number of duds we still have on our list. He has a plan (the only person in the footy department who has :rolleyes: ) so give him a couple of years as it's going to be a slow climb back to respectablility.
 
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super, you got this totally wrong.

Miller's true drafting experience will only be known in about 2 years time. Going by the likes of Hartigan and Roach he isnt doing that badly so far.

His first year he looked at the list second year he made as many changes as necessary, at the end of this season expect another mass delisting. I would say another 6 duds will go at the end of this season.

Will be interesting to see what happens at years end, but its way too early to be grading miller, time will tell.
 

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Miller will be judged by one thing alone. The quality of the 2005 coach that will be replacing Frawley.

If he gets the best coach available, he's doing his job. If we end up with another Frawley, he's proved that he is a one man club and cant replicate the success he had at the Roos over at Tigerland.

My money is on him being the next Graeme Richmond for us. He's got the goods, hopefully the club lets him do his job.
 

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If miller goes then were are totally up the poopshooter. He's the only one there with any idea of what drives success and im 100% sure he already knows what the plan of attack is at the end of the year. It's basically a write of so he's playing the kids to see who has it and who hasnt and then KAPOW!!! 12 off the list...

IN: SHEEDY (NEW)

OUT: FRAWLEY ("RETIRED")

Miller is our only ray of hope.
 

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Originally posted by itsintheblood
If miller goes then were are totally up the poopshooter. He's the only one there with any idea of what drives success and im 100% sure he already knows what the plan of attack is at the end of the year. It's basically a write of so he's playing the kids to see who has it and who hasnt and then KAPOW!!! 12 off the list...

IN: SHEEDY (NEW)

OUT: FRAWLEY ("RETIRED")

Miller is our only ray of hope.

Yeh bring in Sheeds and kepp Miller he got us Brown and nearly Solomon, he knows what he is doing!!
 

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This thread is nothing more than ridiculous!

While we are at it, might as well trade Mark Coughlan to Collingwood for Jason Cloke.

FFS let Miller do his job. He is about the only one at Punt Road who has showed something in the past few seasons. . .
 

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Originally posted by Supertiger
We are a dead set rabble and Greg Miller whose appointment I have always supported has now been there a fair while.

he oversaw the recruitment of Jay Schulz over Byron Schammer (according to Terry Wallace Schulz isnt up to AFL standard). This season we went out and got Shane Morrison and Luke Weller ( Terry Wallace doesnt particularly rate Morrison either) !
was this the same wallace that moved on Powell, Cameron and montgomery for ????..eventually leading to a wooden spoon

Miller has been around for 25 games...thats not a while....Brown and Johnson have bene terrific acquisitions....its a blight on the coaching group that we cant capitalise on their talent and win bloody games of footy
 

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Let's assume that Kane Johnson and Nathan Brown both play until they are 32. That will mean that Johnson was with us for 8 seasons and Brown for 7.

In 7 to 8 seasons they will probably play around 120-150 games. Johnson has allready run 2nd in our B+F and Brown and Johnson are probably running 1, 2 in this year's best and fairest.

What should a club hope to get with a first round draft pick? I would have thought a club was aiming for a 100-200 game player who is best and fairest calibre. Well that is what we have.

In contrast you can take a Fiora who MIGHT become a best and fairest calibre player after a 100 game apprenticeship, or maybe not.
 

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Originally posted by Weaver
Let's assume that Kane Johnson and Nathan Brown both play until they are 32. That will mean that Johnson was with us for 8 seasons and Brown for 7.

In 7 to 8 seasons they will probably play around 120-150 games. Johnson has allready run 2nd in our B+F and Brown and Johnson are probably running 1, 2 in this year's best and fairest.

What should a club hope to get with a first round draft pick? I would have thought a club was aiming for a 100-200 game player who is best and fairest calibre. Well that is what we have.

In contrast you can take a Fiora who MIGHT become a best and fairest calibre player after a 100 game apprenticeship, or maybe not.
Well said Weaver, both these guys are quality players and in the peak of their careers. At least when we drafted them we knew what we were getting.

Miller seems to know what he is doing.
 
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i think the club should sack another 10-12 players at the end of this season- thats how bad we are. We need more kids from the top end of the draft imho.
 
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Miller, Sheedy, Casey

As stated in other threads, Miller has already said the system only allows you to make so many changes in one year. He has done a fair bit of list-changing and will make as many again at end of season.

Another thing; if what we read is true, Miller and Sheeds can't stand one another - so if we were to get Sheeds we might run the risk of losing Miller (don't know if I would be happy about that!).

And finally; Miller and Casey are apparently very tight, so it might just be a case of us backing the pair of them. Casey is the one who went after Miller, and from what I've heard, Casey has given Miller free reign to do whatever he has to do to fix our Club! - I can live with that!
 
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