Lucas?

[Butane]

Love this trade talk rubbish for a player out off contract. If hes out off contract you get nothing unless he wants to negotiate and help out the club and considering they won't give him 2 years why would he look after anyone but himself. He will put a price on his head and go PSD simple. No draft picks needed by anyone just salary cap room.

I wouldn't be that negative. Essendon might just have to settle for a 2nd/3rd rounder.

If that's the case then Essendon should just give him the 2 years because he's worth more to them then he is on the open market.

 

[OZZA]

You'd have to look at getting Lucas. He's one of the better players in the competition and we are entering our 'window' of opportunity for a flag.

The only question is what he would cost you and whether that would be worth it.

Whilst I don't think the Dogs should aggresively pursue him at this stage - We are talking about an absolute star footballer who could kick 70 goals+ playing deep in the fwd line.

 

[acker]

I love this comment. Close enough to be on topic to get away with it but still a little odd. Yes, lets have a crack at the Geelong captain who nobody really rates as a great defender but a pretty good addition none the less......did I mention our backline sucks? Just thought i'd mention it even if nobody cares.

We are in a topic talking about adding a 30+ year old forward to our currently extremely well performing forward line.

I thought if we were about to bring a 30+ year old player into the side it would be in one of the areas we are deficient in.

And the one that stands out like dogs ball's is defence.

 

[acker]

Would you be interested in say 1st rounder and Farren Ray (I've noticed you guys are losing faith with him)

P.S no need to jump down my throat, remember I don't make the decisions just asking what he'd be worth for you guys.

Let me get this straight

Essendon gives the Dog's their 1st round draft pick & Scott Lucas

for

Farren Ray

I'm in.

 

[lifelike_]

Murphy Lucas Akermanis
Higgins Welsh Johnson

Looks good on paper, but what would it mean for Minson? We wouldn't be able to play Lucas, Welsh, Murphy and Minson in the same forward line.

 

[candy man]

You'd have to look at getting Lucas. He's one of the better players in the competition and we are entering our 'window' of opportunity for a flag.

The only question is what he would cost you and whether that would be worth it.

Whilst I don't think the Dogs should aggresively pursue him at this stage - We are talking about an absolute star footballer who could kick 70 goals+ playing deep in the fwd line.

spot on mate, finally a doggies supporter showing a bit of common sense..
scott lucas has been so consistent for many seasons and is rarely injured. one of the best forwards in the business, misses 8 games and you talk of him like hes an old cripple, cmon boys get serious..if carlton were in your position id hope they looked at him as an option.
to say your club would not consider him is being a bit naive, take your shot at the flag while your up there, i bet ur happy now with acker but probably whinged when u pursued him, not much differennce between him and lucas. dont wana wait another 54 years lads id suss him out

 

[Butane]

spot on mate, finally a doggies supporter showing a bit of common sense..
scott lucas has been so consistent for many seasons and is rarely injured. one of the best forwards in the business, misses 8 games and you talk of him like hes an old cripple, cmon boys get serious..if carlton were in your position id hope they looked at him as an option.
to say your club would not consider him is being a bit naive, take your shot at the flag while your up there, i bet ur happy now with acker but probably whinged when u pursued him, not much differennce between him and lucas. dont wana wait another 54 years lads id suss him out

____ off.

a) Bulldogs supporters show a lot more sense then most. Don't insult us.

b) Nobody is calling him a cripple. Just a 31 who's had a niggle....like all 30+

c) As a club we might consider Lucas but don't expect anything more then a 2nd round pick. (only paid pick 34 for Aker - and that was when he was 29 - Do Essendon want a pick in the 30's for him?)

d) We simply just don't need him.

e) Considering out first round pick is going to Ayce Cordy then our second would have to go to Lucas. Why don't we just sit out of the draft all together. With any luck we might end up like Carlton and win spoon after spoon for the next 10 years when all our old guys retire.

 

[OZZA]

____ off.

a) Bulldogs supporters show a lot more sense then most. Don't insult us.

b) Nobody is calling him a cripple. Just a 31 who's had a niggle....like all 30+

c) As a club we might consider Lucas but don't expect anything more then a 2nd round pick. (only paid pick 34 for Aker - and that was when he was 29 - Do Essendon want a pick in the 30's for him?)

d) We simply just don't need him.

e) Considering out first round pick is going to Ayce Cordy then our second would have to go to Lucas. Why don't we just sit out of the draft all together. With any luck we might end up like Carlton and win spoon after spoon when all our old guys retire.

Geez, take it easy Butane. Its only the start of June - nobody has offered anything for him and as far as I'm aware - nobody on BF makes the decisions.

I think its a good point that we have a rare opportunity to win a flag and its worth CONSIDERING getting someone like Lucas.

An early post picked a fwd six and said - Whats happens to Minson,- we can't play him, Lucas, Welsh and Jono all in there etc etc.

Given that in the modern gaem (which many still fail to stumble across) no team ever picks a fwd 6 and sticks with it all day. There's something called 'rotations'. There's something else called injuries and match ups too.

To say "We don't need him" is irrelevant and near-sighted.

 

[Butane]

Geez, take it easy Butane. Its only the start of June - nobody has offered anything for him and as far as I'm aware - nobody on BF makes the decisions.

I think its a good point that we have a rare opportunity to win a flag and its worth CONSIDERING getting someone like Lucas.

An early post picked a fwd six and said - Whats happens to Minson,- we can't play him, Lucas, Welsh and Jono all in there etc etc.

Given that in the modern gaem (which many still fail to stumble across) no team ever picks a fwd 6 and sticks with it all day. There's something called 'rotations'. There's something else called injuries and match ups too.

To say "We don't need him" is irrelevant and near-sighted.

Of course we would CONSIDER it. If we got him for a 3rd round pick and he wanted less then 250K a year for 2 years. I dunno if we would want to pay half a million dollars for a player just to add to 'rotations'.

But that is just not going to happen. And it's annoying. (Especially when a Carlton fans has a crack about not winning a flag for 50 odd years and calling Bulldog supporters dumb ect ect)

 

[OZZA]

Of course we would CONSIDER it. If we got him for a 3rd round pick and he wanted less then 250K a year for 2 years. I dunno if we would want to pay half a million dollars for a player just to add to 'rotations'.

But that is just not going to happen. And it's annoying. (Especially when a Carlton fans has a crack about not winning a flag for 50 odd years and calling Bulldog supporters dumb ect ect)

We're talking about Scott Lucas. He's a gun player - and a big strong centre half forward. I'd be prepared to part with alot more than that. There's a lot of water to go under the bridge between then and now. And how we shape up at the end of the season will determine our postion I would think.

Many of the 'experts' have been saying how we will need 'power forwards' at the pointy end of the season to be successful - I don't necessarily believe that - however- the proof will be in the pudding when September rolls around.

 

[#1 Dogs Fan]

We're talking about Scott Lucas. He's a gun player - and a big strong centre half forward. I'd be prepared to part with alot more than that. There's a lot of water to go under the bridge between then and now. And how we shape up at the end of the season will determine our postion I would think.

Many of the 'experts' have been saying how we will need 'power forwards' at the pointy end of the season to be successful - I don't necessarily believe that - however- the proof will be in the pudding when September rolls around.

Very good post Ozza

I agree with all you have said but lets face it wouldn't you rather develop your own kids then draft a 30+ year old veteran for a season or 2 max and by doing this you would have just stopped young KPP coming through the ranks to get a senior game or slower their development.

The way we are heading with our young KPP in Grant, Everitt, Williams, O'Shea, Tiller and co is great they are continually improving each year from what I have seen and are the way of our future.

 

[OZZA]

Very good post Ozza

I agree with all you have said but lets face it wouldn't you rather develop your own kids then draft a 30+ year old veteran for a season or 2 max and by doing this you would have just stopped young KPP coming through the ranks to get a senior game or slower their development.

The way we are heading with our young KPP in Grant, Everitt, Williams, O'Shea, Tiller and co is great they are continually improving each year from what I have seen and are the way of our future.

I hear what you're saying mate. and its a very good point. However, the flipside to it is that we talk and talk about developing players and planning for the future - but at some stage you have to plan for a premiership.

I think thats what our Carlton friend was getting at. We've planned for the future for a while now. If we won a premiership - I'd be happy to be sh1thouse in 5 years time for a few years as a result.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying -"We must get Lucas" - but a think the mindset could be tweaked a little. I have faith that Rocket has it under control though!

 

[scooter600x]

And lose Griffen because we couldn't fit his upgraded contract into our salary cap...

Vote no to Lucas.

 

[Pigdog]

And lose Griffen because we couldn't fit his upgraded contract into our salary cap...

Vote no to Lucas.

Exactly...

 

[lemmon]

look i dont believe this and am playing devils advocate but cant we say the addition of Lucas would help the kids insted of hinder them. For instance he would teach a guy like Jarrod Grant a hell of a lot because right now Grant is learning his craft and wouldnt the addition of Lucas fast track this

 

[Butane]

For instance he would teach a guy like Jarrod Grant a hell of a lot because right now Grant is learning his craft and wouldnt the addition of Lucas fast track this

Help him by keeping him out of the team for two years? (Just playing devils advocate...advocate)

 

[Touched]

It would be very short term and unrealistic if people think our "window" is now.
Realistically it will be in 2-3 years time.
Purely based on past records, we would have to make significant impact this year (Prelim Final) to be a chance next year (Grand Final) meaning a real chance to win the GF the year after.

Anything better than the above is a bonus - a record breaker, but then again we have managed to break some records so far and with the spirit the team has at the moment anything is possible.

Based on the above I cant see the value of getting Lucas. Minson is doing the job of the power forward providing lots of opportunity for the small talls and crumbers to have a feast.
Lucas would just delay the development of young player.

 

[#1 Dogs Fan]

]It would be very short term and unrealistic if people think our "window" is now.
Realistically it will be in 2-3 years time.
Purely based on past records, we would have to make significant impact this year (Prelim Final) to be a chance next year (Grand Final) meaning a real chance to win the GF the year after.[/B]

Anything better than the above is a bonus - a record breaker, but then again we have managed to break some records so far and with the spirit the team has at the moment anything is possible.

Based on the above I cant see the value of getting Lucas. Minson is doing the job of the power forward providing lots of opportunity for the small talls and crumbers to have a feast.
Lucas would just delay the development of young player.

I disagree abit here.

The reason for this is because I believe our premiership window is open this year and 09. After that you can start to expect drop of form or retirements from players such as West, Johnson, Welsh, Aker, Hudson, Eagleton and players like Lake, Hargrave, Murphy, Gia, Boyd, Cross wont be exactly young any more.

 

[gilly111]

I've got supreme confidence in Big Will, just kick the ball in front of the big fella! haha. Lucas would be good, but I think Will's doing a good job he needs to hang on to a couple more grabs and the guys need to look for him a little more and he'd be very effective just love his presence down there.

In saying that Scotty Lucas gun player.. would add a bit to the team but I'd say no, unless it was on the cheap like Akker or Hudson then you'd be stupid to turn it down could be the difference between a flag and no flag or between one flag or two or three (you can always dream).

 

[StringyDog]

Too old. If we're going to go for a mature forward/defender, why not go for Adam Hunter?

Because he is not even half the player as Lucas, remember Lucas spent plenty of his career playing as a CHB and a very good CHB at that.

If Lucas was to leave the Doggies are the only club I wouldn't be heart broken seeing him play for. He wouldn't come to cheap though, knowing Essendon from past trade dealings they are very strong in getting the best deal.

They'd most likely ask for a 1st rounder and possibly a bit player with potential, he could very well be the difference between a premiership or not.

This has been Essendons problem for years which is why a lot of trades fall over when dealing with Essendon as they always ask the world and give nothing.

I disagree abit here.

The reason for this is because I believe our premiership window is open this year and 09. After that you can start to expect drop of form or retirements from players such as West, Johnson, Welsh, Aker, Hudson, Eagleton and players like Lake, Hargrave, Murphy, Gia, Boyd, Cross wont be exactly young any more.

Your right, these players won't be young, they will be in there prime! And the likes of Griffin, Higgins, Ray, Cooney, possibly Williams will be stars by that time.