Luke Jericho Recalled- Why?!!!

[jenny61_99]

It not unfair, not at all. Of course he's shown something, he wouldn't be on the list if he hadn't shown anything. I was there when as a 19 year-old he kicked 6 against Norwood and at the time I was thinking he was a great prospect. However over the years his stock has continued to decline. For as much as he gets talked up, and as much as we hear he's got talent to burn, he has shown very little for quite a few years. Not even his biggest fans can dispute that.


26 AFL games, a few pre-season games, a few AFL practise matches, and many SANFL games. All up he's continually failed to deliver on his "potential".

I can't remember anyone ever talking him up!

The fact that he has so few games to show for his longevity at the club is all the more bewildering as to why he is still with us. Surely there has to be more than one person at Club level that is saying "this kid is a long term prospect, lets persist with him". I can't imagine for one second that he is still there purely because of one person thinking he has what it takes.

 

[crowman_23]

Its wrong to think that the goals were any easier for the opposition they came against. In the context of the game, they were important, and at pressure times. If it were that easy, the game would not have been as close as it was. Carlton were no push over that day.

IMO we were more ordinary than we were good. It was a bloody shocking game. Yes they were important at the time of the game, but I disagree on the no easier. I think he would find it easier to kick goals against Carlton than he would have against Geelong.

 

[Southerntakeover]

IMO we were more ordinary than we were good. It was a bloody shocking game. Yes they were important at the time of the game, but I disagree on the no easier. I think he would find it easier to kick goals against Carlton than he would have against Geelong.

Using Geelong is a pretty extreme case, and this is all hypothetical as theres no way to know for sure. Allwe know for sure is, it was a close game, Jericho was one of our best, and probably played the match winning role.

 

[whitey_1975]

The irony is stinging.

rollin with
bloody ripper.
however i agree he hasnt shown alot except potential but give him 4-5 games in arow to see how he goes and then you can crucify him drummond and co.(thats one thing hes never been given games in arow)
Why bother hating him dont we want him to play well and the crows win. team game eh!

 

[Crow-mo]

But isn't that the whole point. He's played poorly in so many games why does he keep getting considered.

actually that IS the point. whether he has really played as poorly as some think, or not - because he keeps getting considered.

 

[Crow-mo]

Im nobodies yes man Dandy. Id expect better from you.

Mr Spanky disagrees...

 

[Southerntakeover]

Mr Spanky disagrees...

The only 'spanky' ive heard of is the absolute spanking im going to give you in dream team.

 

[Crow-mo]

The only 'spanky' ive heard of is the absolute spanking im going to give you in dream team.

I shall humble you like a pap trying to defend a 119 point grand final defeat

 

[Ozzie]

For cryimg out aloud, some of you need to grow up. If LJ is no good why aren't you champs lining up to take his place. He strikes me as an opportunist HFF who drifts around and can kick you 2-3 goals a game from 5 possessions. What is wrong with that? Drummond and others expect him to be superman. FTR I am still waiting for VB to tear the league apart. Nice footballer but no superstar just yet.

What has Bryce Campbell done so far? Massie is the other selection this week. I would like to see LJ get an extended run for a change.

 

[Jars458]

Heres the thing... who's the great determiner of how well hes played, and how much hes putting in?

Jericho has become an obsession for this board, to the point that no matter how he plays there will be the same hysterical wank fest about how 'soft' he is... delievered through keyboard of course. Id love for you to tell me how i can determine if a guy gives 100% or not, as opposed to someone giving 90%

That's crap. Many posters on here will loo at his game objecively and as others have said, we all would be over the moon if he played a good game.

Whilst I agreee that to play AFL football you can't be soft in the true sense you can certainly be soft in a relative sense that can cost the team.

Jericho has played some very poor games where his commitment to doing the ahrd things can be questioned. That's the reality.

This is an itnernet forum so has to be done from a keyboard. Would you like us all to seek him out and tell him to his face? Much pooer form in my view.

 

[Jars458]

For cryimg out aloud, some of you need to grow up. If LJ is no good why aren't you champs lining up to take his place.

This really is an absurd thing to say. I am not an AFL footballer nor would I ever even hope to be in my wildest dreams. If that means I can't comment on AFL football then please shut down almost every internet sight in the country.

Ridiculous.

 

[Rave Slave]

Kicked four against Essendon once too i believe?

Everyone speaks as if the guys played a multitude of games and continually failed... hes only played 26.

This is the other one that sticks in my craw.

"Luke hasn't been given enough time to prove his worth yet as an AFL footballer, he's only had 6 seasons and 26 games."

If this is the case then I'm pretty sure that Pfeiffer, Gibson and Obst were turfed out without even getting a sniff. Sure you can argue Pfeiff had his off field issues but if you wanna argue skills/attitude/performance against the other two boys then surely Jericho gets bundled in that same basket?

Regardless of which side of the fence you sit on this one, this game is the big one. Time to repay the ridiculous amount of faith that's been shown in you Luke...

..That being said we've probably got a 5 year contract extension waiting for him when he gets off the field

 

[Vader]

The thing is, we're NOT all so blind that we don't give him a fair go. There was quite a commotion on this board last year when he was dropped after the Carlton game. Everyone here acknowledged that he DID perform well on that occasion and many expressed disappointment that he was dropped after only the solitary game. Of course, the fact that he was making way for a club legend (Roo) was a reasonable explanation...

If we see a performance similar to what he achieved against the blues, then I have no doubt that he WILL be treated fairly on this board. On the other hand, if it's another performance like the MMC GF vs Geelong then the knives will come out and (virtual) blood will be spilled.

 

[Embers]

Mr Jericho has played many a times against the Eagles for some reason. Id suggest 6 of his 26 games would be against us atleast. I understand you have a ton of injuries but now would be a good time to debut a junior surely?

 

[Vader]

Mr Jericho has played many a times against the Eagles for some reason. Id suggest 6 of his 26 games would be against us atleast. I understand you have a ton of injuries but now would be a good time to debut a junior surely?

There are two logical alternatives to Jericho.

The first is Ivan Maric, who went into the MMC as our preferred ruckman but now appears to have fallen out of favour. He didn't do overly well in the MMC, so nobody here is upset by his non-selection in that regard. However, most of us would like to see Tippett spending the majority of his time in the forward line rather than alternating between ruck, forward & bench. Introducing a 2nd dedicated ruckman (along with Griffin) would free up Tippett to do just that. It would also give us a 3rd option to throw against Cox, though I personally don't see the wisdom in that given that none of them are likely to be competitive against the league's best ruckman.

The second is Bryce Campbell, who has played just one senior game (vs Essendon last year). He's not exactly a kid, having been a mature age draftee in 2006. He's a hard nugget, inside midfielder who would on the face of it be a good like-for-like replacement for Reilly & Shirley.

Of the other "kids" on our list, none appear ready to play in the seniors yet. Other than Sellar, they're all first year draftees who are yet to prove themselves at SANFL level before they get a go in the big league. We have hopes that some of them (most likely Jacky & Otten) might debut later in the year, but none of the BF board members would seriously expect them to be playing just yet.

 

[Embers]

There are two logical alternatives to Jericho.

The first is Ivan Maric, who went into the MMC as our preferred ruckman but now appears to have fallen out of favour. He didn't do overly well in the MMC, so nobody here is upset by his non-selection in that regard. However, most of us would like to see Tippett spending the majority of his time in the forward line rather than alternating between ruck, forward & bench. Introducing a 2nd dedicated ruckman (along with Griffin) would free up Tippett to do just that. It would also give us a 3rd option to throw against Cox, though I personally don't see the wisdom in that given that none of them are likely to be competitive against the league's best ruckman.

The second is Bryce Campbell, who has played just one senior game (vs Essendon last year). He's not exactly a kid, having been a mature age draftee in 2006. He's a hard nugget, inside midfielder who would on the face of it be a good like-for-like replacement for Reilly & Shirley.

Of the other "kids" on our list, none appear ready to play in the seniors yet. Other than Sellar, they're all first year draftees who are yet to prove themselves at SANFL level before they get a go in the big league. We have hopes that some of them (most likely Jacky & Otten) might debut later in the year, but none of the BF board members would seriously expect them to be playing just yet.

Fair enough. The fact you didnt draft any ready to go players is gonna put your list depth under alot of strain id think. Its the reason why we drafted 3 AFL ready blokes cos if we didnt I got a feeling we might be in your shoes with a few more injuries and playing blokes who are only around to make up numbers before the next cull

 

[Vader]

Fair enough. The fact you didnt draft any ready to go players is gonna put your list depth under alot of strain id think. Its the reason why we drafted 3 AFL ready blokes cos if we didnt I got a feeling we might be in your shoes with a few more injuries and playing blokes who are only around to make up numbers before the next cull

Even allowing for our draftees not being "read to go", we still had plenty of inexperienced players who were close.

Greg Gallman - Played well in the SANFL last year and got himself promoted off our rookie list. Unfortunately, he suffered a knee injury during the pre-season (bruising to the bone in his knee). He's due to return to SANFL duties this weekend.

Brad Moran - Played well in the MMC, having been traded from North Melbourne. Once again, suffered an injury at an inopportune time (broken finger, 6 weeks).

James Sellar - Our first selection from the 2006 draft had a good pre-season, infinitely better than the previous year. Did well against Collingwood in Dubai, but fell away against Freo & Hawthorn. Has been named as an emergency this week.

Kurt Tippett - Our 2nd selection from the 2006 draft. Was BOG for the Crows in the MMC GF and impressed further on debut last week. Will likely continue to earn games for much of this year.

David Mackay - Our 3rd selection from the 2006 draft. Impressed on debut last week, will hopefully continue to earn games for much of this year.

Of the last years draftees...

Andy Otten - Physically the most developed of our 2007 draftees, he COULD play in the seniors if required but is not needed at this stage.

Jarrhan Jacky - Played in the first two MMC games but appeared out of his depth. Given time in the SANFL, we're hopeful he'll be ready later in the year.

Aaron Kite - Has been the surprise packet of the SANFL pre-season to date, being consistently amongst Norwood's better players. Despite being deemed a "project player", I would barely be surprised at all if he were to debut this year.

Patrick Dangerfield - Almost debuted in Dubai, but for an unfortunately timed injury. Impressed last week, albeit in the SANFL magoos. Probably would have played AFL games this year if he had not decided to remain in Geelong to complete his year 12 studies. Even so, if injuries hit badly it would not overly surprise to see him selected in a Melbourne game late in the year.

The rest, at this stage, appear miles off.

 

[Southerntakeover]

That's crap. Many posters on here will loo at his game objecively and as others have said, we all would be over the moon if he played a good game.

Whilst I agreee that to play AFL football you can't be soft in the true sense you can certainly be soft in a relative sense that can cost the team.

Jericho has played some very poor games where his commitment to doing the ahrd things can be questioned. That's the reality.

This is an itnernet forum so has to be done from a keyboard. Would you like us all to seek him out and tell him to his face? Much pooer form in my view.

No, they wont. This thread is proof... Jericho needs to do nothing other than get selected to get personally abused.

Yeah, just for once id love for one of these tough internet types to call an AFL player soft to his face. Just ****ing once.

 

[Southerntakeover]

This is the other one that sticks in my craw.

"Luke hasn't been given enough time to prove his worth yet as an AFL footballer, he's only had 6 seasons and 26 games."

If this is the case then I'm pretty sure that Pfeiffer, Gibson and Obst were turfed out without even getting a sniff. Sure you can argue Pfeiff had his off field issues but if you wanna argue skills/attitude/performance against the other two boys then surely Jericho gets bundled in that same basket?

Regardless of which side of the fence you sit on this one, this game is the big one. Time to repay the ridiculous amount of faith that's been shown in you Luke...

..That being said we've probably got a 5 year contract extension waiting for him when he gets off the field

Can you show me where i said what you've quoted? Id really love to read it.

Im not arguing that you cant tell some things about players early in their career, however, if a player has alot of good attributes, yet hasnt put it together on the field yet, its foolish to give up on them early in their career. Some problems, like behavioural problems, or just a complete lack of actual talent, can be seen early in a career, however if the problem is just inconsistent AFL form then experience is certainly a factor.

Skills/ attitude/ performance... No. None of those guys is close to him. Jericho has the best skills of the lot, and has a good attitude in terms of a work ethic... the guy trains his ass off. Every time i make it down to training i always leave impressed by Jericho's performance. Im also convinced that this has alot to do with the coaching staffs perseverance with him. In terms of performance... none of those guys have played an AFL game. Hard to perform when you havent actually debuted.

 

[Southerntakeover]

The thing is, we're NOT all so blind that we don't give him a fair go. There was quite a commotion on this board last year when he was dropped after the Carlton game. Everyone here acknowledged that he DID perform well on that occasion and many expressed disappointment that he was dropped after only the solitary game. Of course, the fact that he was making way for a club legend (Roo) was a reasonable explanation...

If we see a performance similar to what he achieved against the blues, then I have no doubt that he WILL be treated fairly on this board. On the other hand, if it's another performance like the MMC GF vs Geelong then the knives will come out and (virtual) blood will be spilled.

Nope. People exaggerate incidents to do with him to the level of being ridiculous. Its amazing, people act like Jericho is the only player in the history of football to pull out of a contest. I saw Andrew McLeod do it last week. Whilst theres no way in hell im trying to compare the players, not one poster on this board even mentioned Macca doing it...

 

[Rave Slave]

Can you show me where i said what you've quoted? Id really love to read it.

So when you stated he's only played 26 games you weren't insinuating that he hasn't had enough time/opportunity to pull his game together and perform to an AFL standard?

Im not arguing that you cant tell some things about players early in their career, however, if a player has alot of good attributes, yet hasnt put it together on the field yet, its foolish to give up on them early in their career. Some problems, like behavioural problems, or just a complete lack of actual talent, can be seen early in a career, however if the problem is just inconsistent AFL form then experience is certainly a factor.

How often does Jericho absolutely obliterate it at SANFL level? He might have one or two games like that a year. Half the time he looks disinterested - AT SANFL LEVEL! Where does that suggest he's got all the tools necessary to bring it together at the required level? I want him to succeed but to be honest he's a proven performer on the training track and far from it when it's showtime.

Skills/ attitude/ performance... No. None of those guys is close to him. Jericho has the best skills of the lot, and has a good attitude in terms of a work ethic... the guy trains his ass off. Every time i make it down to training i always leave impressed by Jericho's performance. Im also convinced that this has alot to do with the coaching staffs perseverance with him. In terms of performance... none of those guys have played an AFL game. Hard to perform when you havent actually debuted.

Attitude: Campbell > Jericho.

Performance (At SANFL level): Campbell >>>>>>> Jericho

Skills: Jericho >>>>>> Campbell.

I'm not even a Campbell fan, heck I don't think he'll be on our list past this year, but at least the bloke has a red hot crack at it. If you wanna go down the skills path Andy Otten is more deserving of a call up than Jericho based on that assertion, he's performed well in his 2 outings for the Prancers and his skills are comparable to Jericho's whilst his ball winning abilities far exceed those of Jericho.

 

[macca23]

Heres the thing... who's the great determiner of how well hes played, and how much hes putting in?

Jericho has become an obsession for this board, to the point that no matter how he plays there will be the same hysterical wank fest about how 'soft' he is... delievered through keyboard of course. Id love for you to tell me how i can determine if a guy gives 100% or not, as opposed to someone giving 90%

Use your eyes.

It's not rocket science. When a player, whoever they are makes a feeble attempt to mark, doesn't attack the ball and the body, and jogs after the opposition player with the ball, it sticks out like dogs balls to any connoisseur of football who appreciates that for teams to be successful it needs every player to put in 100%.

Just watch.

 

[macca23]

If he plays badly he will be dropped accordingly. All this negativity and spitting absolute fury is pointless. Get behind your team.

And the Jericho-ites - sounds almost Biblical - will wail like battered banshees that he never gets a fair go, ignoring the fact that he has once again breached all the non-negotiables of football.

 

[macca23]

For cryimg out aloud, some of you need to grow up. If LJ is no good why aren't you champs lining up to take his place. He strikes me as an opportunist HFF who drifts around and can kick you 2-3 goals a game from 5 possessions. What is wrong with that? Drummond and others expect him to be superman. FTR I am still waiting for VB to tear the league apart. Nice footballer but no superstar just yet.

What has Bryce Campbell done so far? Massie is the other selection this week. I would like to see LJ get an extended run for a change.

Two of the silliest comments in this whole discussion.

Jars458 has covered the first one.

To put down VB, who gives his all and is prepared to risk his personal safety for the team, while pumping up Jericho says it all for me.

 

[Cap]

And the Jericho-ites - sounds almost Biblical - will wail like battered banshees that he never gets a fair go, ignoring the fact that he has once again breached all the non-negotiables of football.

says who !!!

FFS this gets repeated and repeated about Jericho yet he continues to play

for what its worth Ian Perrie did all the non-negotiables in football and where did that land him ? apart from delisted he was was constantly bagged on this board...