Lynch to Richmond... what the?

[Mogwai]

Additionally great list management and a very accomodating player environment must be considered why we have attracted the elite intake of GC of 2011. It is the main reason why Richmond have been able to afford Lynch anyway. All the money in the world cannot strengthen GC, just like how GWS didn't dwell on not getting Buddy to create a successful team.

 

[Jack5]

Free agency has nothing to do with equalisation. Totally about employee freedom to choose your own employer like every other working stiff. AFLPA negotiating on behalf of players as a collective. Seem to recall reading somewhere that the current restrictions on player movement may amount to restraint of trade and not hold up in court if challenged. Not a lawyer so dont know. Free agency is working exactly as the AFLPA intended.

 

[sante]

We can’t rely on the small forward line for a 3rd straight season.

 

[DynaBass]

Wouldn't that effectively make it a 'trade'

Not really. The destination club is still the choice of the player. There's no negotiation on price/compo as the AFL 'calculates' that. So the selling club has no say and has to accept whatever comes their way.

The only difference is the destination club has to pays for the player rather than him being a complete freebie, and as it is now the creation of the compo pick means all other clubs are penalised by dropping down the draft order.

 

[Mogwai]

There was out rage when it happened, but at the the time it was an isolated thing. Like any issue in society, it takes a series of the incidents to occur before the camels back is broken. This is not a vendetta against Richmond.

Get out of here with your lack of vendetta. Well-run clubs and individual players don't owe bad clubs anything. In no other sector is an employee forced to remain in a company that has an incompatible working environment no matter how much money they offer. In fact, if it were the case, it would stink of awful management.

Successful clubs offer an incentive but they also have to retain proven players who may feel underpaid.

Your anger could be better directed at the amateurish organizatios that make players want to move.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Cant see the issue.

 

[Spacedog]

It's hilarious how people think Lynch will ruin the forward setup or hurt Richmond, you probably don't know too much about football if you think that. We played with moore at times this year and it made no difference. Caddy isn't applying tons of pressure either. Lynch will only be an improvement and allow Caddy/Riewoldt to go up the ground a bit more. The forward setup will look the exact same, just with more rotations and lynch or riewoldt pushing higher up the ground.

 

[Coaster2012]

Get out of here with your lack of vendetta. Well-run clubs and individual players don't owe bad clubs anything. In no other sector is an employee forced to remain in a company that has an incompatible working environment no matter how much money they offer. In fact, if it were the case, it would stink of awful management.

Successful clubs offer an incentive but they also have to retain proven players who may feel underpaid.

Your anger could be better directed at the amateurish organizatios that make players want to move.

Haha I'm hardly fueled with anger. I happen to support a very well run club that has poached a few of Brisbane's stars in the past few years. Personally couldn't care less if he plays for Richmond, but I can see why lesser clubs would be annoyed by it.

As for the company reference, doesn't relate to here at all. Companies don't have salary caps and they aren't competing against other companies for TV ratings under a larger umbrella business. AFL is the business they work for and its that business that is afraid of people walking away due to terrible games.

 

[Mogwai]

Haha I'm hardly fueled with anger. I happen to support a very well run club that has poached a few of Brisbane's stars in the past few years. Personally couldn't care less if he plays for Richmond, but I can see why lesser clubs would be annoyed by it.

As for the company reference, doesn't relate to here at all. Companies don't have salary caps and they aren't competing against other companies for TV ratings under a larger umbrella business. AFL is the business they work for and its that business that is afraid of people walking away due to terrible games.

How does it not relate to here at all? Are football players not employees of the clubs, and don't those clubs pick and choose their coaches through their own boards and management?

Companies are constantly competing against each other, and talent drain from one badly run company to another well run company happens all the time! Your disagreement with the analogy - sorry, the REALITY - is ridiculous for someone who accused my thoughts on this matter as 'spin'.

Additionally, going back to my original stance for compensation; as in the Frawley example, was that organisations going through restructure will ordinarily look to progressively change their portfolio and capital. Unlike reality, the AFL already has given clubs losing players a draft pick, a literal handout that gives the clubs a choice to build for the future when the current situation is not working out.

Again, your misguided blowtorch should be looking at the clubs rather than the league itself that has proven to be over-interventionist at times. The lack of respect given to players and their choice is palpable.

Your last point is such a non-sequitur as well. Fans are walking away from badly run clubs, like it has happened over the entire history of the game. Well-run clubs like WC, Richmond, GWS and North Melbourne are going from strength to strength. If you're going to come back and say that clubs with declining attendances like Carlton, St. Kilda, Freo are well-run then I suggest you to move onto another straw to grasp on.

 

[Coaster2012]

How does it not relate to here at all? Are football players not employees of the clubs, and don't those clubs pick and choose their coaches through their own boards and management?

Companies are constantly competing against each other, and talent drain from one badly run company to another well run company happens all the time! Your disagreement with the analogy - sorry, the REALITY - is ridiculous for someone who accused my thoughts on this matter as 'spin'.

Richmond aren't an independent entity from the AFL. They are an independent node but definitely not an independent system like a company is. Have Richmond leave the AFL and see how they go. You can't compare Richmond to an independent company because they are not, hence your analogy isn't correct. Richmond aren't competing against other teams for TV ratings (not at least in the same way as a company is) , but the AFL is definitely competing against other sports for TV ratings and thats what the AFL are afraid of. Terrible teams playing terrible footy. That's the REALITY, not a vendetta against Richmond that you keep spouting.

 

[Mogwai]

Richmond aren't an independent entity from the AFL. They are an independent node but definitely not an independent system like a company is. Have Richmond leave the AFL and see how they go. You can't compare Richmond to an independent company because they are not, hence your analogy isn't correct. Richmond aren't competing against other teams for TV ratings, but the AFL is defintely competing against other sports for TV ratings and thats what the AFL are afraid of. Terrible teams playing terrible footy. That's the REALITY, not a vendetta against Richmond that you keep spouting.

Terrible teams playing terrible footy because they're awfully run clubs, not because the AFL hasn't given them enough support.

 

[CasuallyDressed]

Kevin Durant.

No. Durant is a top 3 player in the NBA. Lynch is barely top 30.

 

[Dr Tigris]

You'd have to have been on the dark side of the moon not to know that senior Richmond players have renegotiated their deals and taken pay cuts to get Lynch in and keep as many of the squad together as possible. Anybody squeezed out would be more likely for opportunities rather than pay scale. The salt on this has been off the chart. Tiges are well managed and formidable on and off the field. Get used to it.

People also need to remember that the Tigers list right now has 2 retirees - Hampson and Griffiths. That $700K+ that is freed up right away. We get a relatively huge starting edge in paying for Lynch just because of those 2. The natural rise in the salary cap + their salaries probably covers Lynch. But other players deserve pay rises (although pretty much everyone is taking unders to stay at Richmond - that wants to). And there might well be more irons in the fire - if so, watch this to go ballistic if we get another quality player .

 

[La Dispute]

I think it’s partially an accident and partially experimentation that Richmond’s forwardline functions so well with a heap of small pressure forwards but I’m also keen to see how it affects the way Richmond play.

I think it’ll make them even harder to play against, but it may take a little while for everything to click.

That or complete annhihilation from the get go.

 

[Plat]

I hate this ***t it's why don't care about the NBA anymore and increasingly care less and less about European club football. The mercenary pursuit of silverware ruins the soul of any game. The majority of people who play a sport will not be part of a champion/premiership side, if we could all be okay with that we'd be a lot healthier as a society doesn't mean you shouldn't try like hell win one, but it shouldn't make you a failure if you can't.

There is little honour or skill in being a trump card and placing yourself in the most stacked hand at the table.

Ratings in NBA have improved since the Miami to GSW Superteam era.

 

[meltiger]

Free agency has nothing to do with equalisation. Totally about employee freedom to choose your own employer like every other working stiff. AFLPA negotiating on behalf of players as a collective. Seem to recall reading somewhere that the current restrictions on player movement may amount to restraint of trade and not hold up in court if challenged. Not a lawyer so dont know. Free agency is working exactly as the AFLPA intended.

Draft is the perfect example.

Such a system has already been ruled illegal in the NSW supreme court. All it would take is the AFLPA to file in NSW and the AFL's socialist system crumbles.

Draft/Salary Cap/Restrictions on choice of Employer, particularly in regards to where you are domiciled all rely on the goodwill of the AFLPA. Hence … Free Agency.

All these media gimps talking about it "hindering equalisation" either just flat out don't understand what Free Agency actually is, or they are screeching for click bait from all the chicken littles out there (Plenty on here) who also don't understand what free agency is.

 

[10571z]

The bloke has suffered for 8 years at the gold coast. In that time they have ran the club horribly. The guy deserves to play at a club who clearly has their s**t together.

To many clubs want free hand outs. Richmond have been very poor for so long as kept working at it and now the envy of all clubs. No players want to leave decent clubs.

Carlton has a huge fan base and could have got to Richmonds height but through no fault but their own find themselves in a deep hole.

Any club if they work hard and have good systems can have success. Every club has the same money. The only difference is the environment they offer.

 

[The Goon]

The bloke has suffered for 8 years at the gold coast. In that time they have ran the club horribly. The guy deserves to play at a club who clearly has their s**t together.

To many clubs want free hand outs. Richmond have been very poor for so long as kept working at it and now the envy of all clubs. No players want to leave decent clubs.

Carlton has a huge fan base and could have got to Richmonds height but through no fault but their own find themselves in a deep hole.

Any club if they work hard and have good systems can have success. Every club has the same money. The only difference is the environment they offer.

Carlton are in their current position through no fault of their own? Seriously? Is that a typo?


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[Tony Harrison]

Carlton are in their current position through no fault of their own? Seriously? Is that a typo?


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You misinterpreted
Through no fault "but" their own.

Means it's all their fault, no one else.

 

[CholEstrol]

If we do land him no way Dimma would want him as a focal point. He'll be under Jacks wing and learn the ways of Jack. Will become a more rounded footballer imo.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Frawley to Hawthorn... What the?

Their #1 key back was a 33yo Brian Lake who retired that season. Fairly straightforward.

This is a far more interesting move.

 

[Craze]

Ask Richo about Ottens. In any case Richmond got Deledio with a priority pick #1 that year and they went and picked Tambling ahead of Franklin!!! Richmond had 4 picks in the top 20 at the 2004 draft...IMO Victorian teams that make the 8 should be exempt from free agency choices. Lynch would still have Carlton, St.Kilda, Bulldogs, North Melbourne and Essendon to choose from. It's totally wrong that the best player from the worst team ends up at the best team currently. The only plus side i see is, i think the Tigers will be messing up the formula...Free agency is stuffed!

Which is exactly what happened in the case of Ottens to Geelong, helping you guys to win 2 flags and condemning Richmond to another 5-year rebuild. No complaints then.

Funny how Richmond have gone from a team of spuds, the worst premiership team in 120 years, to now being so dominant that we should not be allowed to participate in free agency. Wait till Maurice Rioli Jr walks into the club in 3 years, Geelong supporters will bemoan the father-son system.

If whinging were an Olympic event, Australia would be represented by Geelong supporters. You're the best.

 

[pebblestone]

He's not going to be on less than his last contract at the Suns.

Yes. He is.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Yes. He is.

What a stupid argument to have. Literally nobody outside of him, his manager and the club know what his contract his.

You’d go a long way to find a more pointless argument. Nobody will be right or wrong.

 

[astro_toby]

The bloke has suffered for 8 years at the gold coast. In that time they have ran the club horribly. The guy deserves to play at a club who clearly has their s**t together.

To many clubs want free hand outs. Richmond have been very poor for so long as kept working at it and now the envy of all clubs. No players want to leave decent clubs.

Carlton has a huge fan base and could have got to Richmonds height but through no fault but their own find themselves in a deep hole.

Any club if they work hard and have good systems can have success. Every club has the same money. The only difference is the environment they offer.

The irony is, of all the clubs ever - Carlton are the team that should have no say in this conversation. Before the salary cap and drafts, Carlton totally did this for decades - Kernhan, Bradley, Motley, Dorotich - Carltons entire history of success was built on the drawcard of being the "biggest & the best".

When that system basically became redundant, their recent history of failure was built completely around them trying to play around those rules & basically - cheat.


Richmond have sucked for 40 f-ing years. We literally have gotten 1 bloke of note from Free Agency - and the instant attitude of "The System is broke" is thrown in our face. Curse of success? Hell, i'll take it over the last 40 years.

The key to all this is EXACTLY what North have been doing - they are throwing huge contracts at top players like Dusty, Kelly De Goey. Sure it hasn't worked yet - but it will work eventually.

If Richmond are paying Lynch around $700-800k a year, which is what I've heard = then St Kilda, Carlton etc should have been offering $1.3.

If you don't like the way the system is working, the only way around it is to break it. Players want success, but i can assure you there are limits. Just ask Gary Ablett.