M.Marsh or Maxwell

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eth-dog said:
Why should we drop an ODI player who's averaging 37 with the bat and 34 with the ball?
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Always loved Marsh, even though he hadn't performed as much as we had hoped the talent was always there and he always had a match every now and there where he made a hefty contribution with the bat. Today really showed how important he is.
 
The_Reaper said:
Both are in our best XI for the next world cup in ODIs.

I'd expect Head to open the batting by that point.

1. Warner
2. Head
3. Smith
4. Specialist Batsman
5. M.Marsh
6. Maxwell
7. Wicket keeper (probably Wade)
8. Faulkner/Zampa
9. Starc
10. Third Quick
11. Hazlewood
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My squad would be:

Batsmen: Warner, Smith, Handscomb, Patterson, Heazlett
All-Rounders: Marsh, Maxwell, Faulkner, Head
Keeper: Wade
Bowlers: Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Zampa, Behrendorff
 
eth-dog said:
My squad would be:

Batsmen: Warner, Smith, Handscomb, Patterson, Heazlett
All-Rounders: Marsh, Maxwell, Faulkner, Head
Keeper: Wade
Bowlers: Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Zampa, Behrendorff
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Heazlett's had a decent start to his 5 game List A career but there is not much interesting in Handscomb or Patterson's List A records (low 30s averages and mid 70s strike rate).
 

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Hellgood said:
Yeah but he only got games because his dad is the chairman of selectors...
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I've enjoyed this joke as much as the next guy, but there's no doubt having a famous name helps in cricket, particularly in WA. I think both Shaun and Mitch benefited greatly from being Geoff's son. Likewise David Moody. Sport loves its romance.
 
JackOutback said:
I've enjoyed this joke as much as the next guy, but there's no doubt having a famous name helps in cricket, particularly in WA. I think both Shaun and Mitch benefited greatly from being Geoff's son. Likewise David Moody. Sport loves its romance.
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Of course it helps in sport.

It makes it easier to get people to bother even looking at you if they're mates with your dad.

I don't think there is any act selection bias towards them but getting noticed early is an advantage.

Plus of course the fact that your dad actually knows his s**t when it comes to cricket gives you a big advantage against your peers in junior cricket which helps you perform and get noticed.
 
The_Reaper said:
Both are in our best XI for the next world cup in ODIs.

I'd expect Head to open the batting by that point.

1. Warner
2. Head
3. Smith
4. Specialist Batsman
5. M.Marsh
6. Maxwell
7. Wicket keeper (probably Wade)
8. Faulkner/Zampa
9. Starc
10. Third Quick
11. Hazlewood
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Can see that

Mine would be

1 & 2 - Warner & Smarsh
3. Smith
4. Head/Bailey
5. Mitch Marsh
6. Maxwell
7. Wade
8. Faulkner
9. Starc
10. Cummins I guess
11. Hazlewood

Swap Zampa when needed and use Marsh and Faulkner more for bowling.
 
The_Reaper said:
Of course it helps in sport.

It makes it easier to get people to bother even looking at you if they're mates with your dad.

I don't think there is any act selection bias towards them but getting noticed early is an advantage.

Plus of course the fact that your dad actually knows his s**t when it comes to cricket gives you a big advantage against your peers in junior cricket which helps you perform and get noticed.
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Exactly; if you have a famous name with connections, you'll get noticed, you'll get additional support and training, and that's after you get the fundamentals early from your dad or uncle. I don't know if there is any intentional bias, but Mitch was probably picked for Tests too early, David Moody probably was behind a couple of other grade bowlers when he got picked to play for WA.
 
JackOutback said:
I've enjoyed this joke as much as the next guy, but there's no doubt having a famous name helps in cricket, particularly in WA. I think both Shaun and Mitch benefited greatly from being Geoff's son. Likewise David Moody. Sport loves its romance.
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Well I'd say they certainly benefited as kids growing up from being around the professional environments and having access to a top class coach and facilities. But that was reflected in their dominance as juniors coming through the system so doesn't warrant the unfair tag of unjustified selection.

We've tried just about every all-rounder and his dog at some point in both the test & ODI sides justifying selection on potential. Marsh has done more than most have with their chances (and, yes still not enough in the test arena) yet cops that kind of rubbish as though he is a special case because of this lazy link to Rod. Lionisation of players outside the XI is par for the course (and explains this hilarious whole "Faulks" characterisation thing that seems to have started on here) - whilst frustrating it's just inherent in every sport so can put up with it to some extent, but it's annoying people regurgitating blatant bullshit as fact as sadly it does catch on.
 
Hellgood said:
Well I'd say they certainly benefited as kids growing up from being around the professional environments and having access to a top class coach and facilities. But that was reflected in their dominance as juniors coming through the system so doesn't warrant the unfair tag of unjustified selection.

We've tried just about every all-rounder and his dog at some point in both the test & ODI sides justifying selection on potential. Marsh has done more than most have with their chances (and, yes still not enough in the test arena) yet cops that kind of rubbish as though he is a special case because of this lazy link to Rod. Lionisation of players outside the XI is par for the course (and explains this hilarious whole "Faulks" characterisation thing that seems to have started on here) - whilst frustrating it's just inherent in every sport so can put up with it to some extent, but it's annoying people regurgitating blatant bullshit as fact as sadly it does catch on.
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The whole Mitch Marsh situation encouraged extremes, from the selectors backing his 'potential' in the face of poor form to over the top criticisms.

As for Faulks, I don't think it's hilarious to back him in for a chance. His shield figures are better than Marsh's across the board and a lot of those that don't want him to play are basing it on 'gut feel' that his technique is somehow not up to Test cricket while Marsh's is.
 
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I like Marsh as a seam bowling option in the Tests; despite his contributions with the bat at Test level being sub-par I can see why the selectors have persisted with him as he has put in some strong spells at that level.
 
Cursed_Cat said:
I like Marsh as a seam bowling option in the Tests; despite his contributions with the bat at Test level being sub-par I can see why the selectors have persisted with him as he has put in some strong spells at that level.
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Yes...but he can't bat!

He's batting 6!
 
Also didn't help that smith often didn't bowl him even when he was looking dangerous, Sl was the perfect example he was there as the 3rd quick and was meant to take some of the burden off the main two quicks yet smith bowled them into the ground anyway, the first two tests marsh bowled just 23 overs which for an allrounder struggling with the bat is just ridiculous we would have been better off just playing a frontline quick in his spot if he is going to be used like that.
 
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frankrizzo said:
Also didn't help that smith often didn't bowl him even when he was looking dangerous, Sl was the perfect example he was there as the 3rd quick and was meant to take some of the burden off the main two quicks yet smith bowled them into the ground anyway, the first two tests marsh bowled just 23 overs which for an allrounder struggling with the bat is just ridiculous we would have been better off just playing a frontline quick in his spot if he is going to be used like that.
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Marsh and Henriques were both ridiculously underbowled in those SL Tests.
 
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