Unsolved Madeleine McCann - New Leads Being Reported

[Angry Red Bull]

Means nothing? What absolute nonsense. It means they know there's evidence they weren't aware of before that might go towards a charge at a later date.

The article I read even after that was that portugese police haven't changed their view despite CW ramblings. But hey it doesn't hurt then to let him have his fun. The lack of cooperation wouldn't look good

 

[Kurve]

Poor Christian will need counselling.

Poor Christian would be devastated.

You don't appear to need much encouragement to start trolling a thread on behalf of a rapist and child sex offender

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Means nothing? What absolute nonsense. It means they know there's evidence they weren't aware of before that might go towards a charge at a later date.

And STILL there are no charges in sight.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

You don't appear to need much encouragement to start trolling a thread on behalf of a rapist and child sex offender

Christian Wolters

 

[Kurve]

And STILL there are no charges in sight.

They haven't been trying for as long as they did on the McCanns.

 

[Kurve]

The article I read even after that was that portugese police haven't changed their view despite CW ramblings. But hey it doesn't hurt then to let him have his fun. The lack of cooperation wouldn't look good

So you don't rate the Portuguese criminal justice system highly after all

After immersing yourself in all the anti McCann propaganda and under it's influence, you may have to at some point confront the issue that you were wrong and that the McCanns didn't vanish their daughter.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

So you don't rate the Portuguese criminal justice system highly after all

After immersing yourself in all the anti McCann propaganda and under it's influence, you may have to at some point confront the issue that you were wrong and that the McCanns didn't vanish their daughter.

That's not even close an interpretation of what I said. If UK cooperated in providing financial records asked for AND/OR cooperate on re doing to untangle DNA now said to be possible the case would have been resolved. You can't resolve it if the UK hide pieces of the jigsaw. Not the Portugeses' problem they did. Rather look down your nose arrogance of the British fault

 

[bomberclifford]

Why would UK authorities help cover up an accidental death of a British toddler in Portugal?

 

[Kurve]

That's not even close an interpretation of what I said. If UK cooperated in providing financial records asked for AND/OR cooperate on re doing to untangle DNA now said to be possible the case would have been resolved. You can't resolve it if the UK hide pieces of the jigsaw. Not the Portugeses' problem they did. Rather look down your nose arrogance of the British fault

Who says their financial records are going to help solve the case? They're no longer suspects but with or without suspect status and on Portugal's reputation, under my lawer's sure advice I wouldn't be giving them my financial records either so they could try to make something out of nothing.

Scotland Yard agrees but has probably seen all their financial records. The Portuguese don't need them.

Also, who says it's possible the case can be solved on further DNA testing of samples from the boot? Perlin? LOLOL

 

[Kurve]

Bruckner worked at the resort.

German prosecutors say they have handed a dossier of evidence to lawyers of convicted pedophile Christian Brueckner, who is serving time in prison for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in the village where McCann disappeared, paving the way for new charges.

But prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters says the charges are not related to McCann, but to the rape of another woman in the same village, and a string of “exposure incidents” against children while he worked in the resort McCann was snatched from. German law dictates that suspect’s lawyers are given time to review the evidence before any charges are made public.

German, British, and Portuguese authorities all say they believe that Brueckner, 45, snatched McCann from the bed where she was sleeping near her younger twin siblings as her parents dined with friends at a nearby tapas bar on the evening of May 3, 2007.

Varying theories about what happened next all point to the likelihood that Brueckner was contracted to kidnap her for a child sex ring known to be present in the area at the time. Wolter said he believes that the media attention of the young Briton’s disappearance likely made her unattractive to the traffickers, who would not easily be able to keep her identity hidden. Wolters thinks that is when she was killed.

German investigators say they found a cache of little girl swimming suits and child pornography in the camper van where Brueckner was living and working at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz as a handyman in May 2007.

The new criminal charges do not mention McCann, but do help close the net around him, especially if new witnesses called up in trial supply the missing piece of evidence that ties Brueckner directly to McCann’s now 15-year-old disappearance.

Suspected Madeleine McCann Killer Christian Brueckner to Be Charged for New Rape

German police say they are sure the convicted rapist killed the British toddler—but they can’t prove it.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Bruckner worked at the resort.

German prosecutors say they have handed a dossier of evidence to lawyers of convicted pedophile Christian Brueckner, who is serving time in prison for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in the village where McCann disappeared, paving the way for new charges.

But prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters says the charges are not related to McCann, but to the rape of another woman in the same village, and a string of “exposure incidents” against children while he worked in the resort McCann was snatched from. German law dictates that suspect’s lawyers are given time to review the evidence before any charges are made public.

German, British, and Portuguese authorities all say they believe that Brueckner, 45, snatched McCann from the bed where she was sleeping near her younger twin siblings as her parents dined with friends at a nearby tapas bar on the evening of May 3, 2007.

Varying theories about what happened next all point to the likelihood that Brueckner was contracted to kidnap her for a child sex ring known to be present in the area at the time. Wolter said he believes that the media attention of the young Briton’s disappearance likely made her unattractive to the traffickers, who would not easily be able to keep her identity hidden. Wolters thinks that is when she was killed.

German investigators say they found a cache of little girl swimming suits and child pornography in the camper van where Brueckner was living and working at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz as a handyman in May 2007.

The new criminal charges do not mention McCann, but do help close the net around him, especially if new witnesses called up in trial supply the missing piece of evidence that ties Brueckner directly to McCann’s now 15-year-old disappearance.

Suspected Madeleine McCann Killer Christian Brueckner to Be Charged for New Rape

German police say they are sure the convicted rapist killed the British toddler—but they can’t prove it.

www.thedailybeast.com

Leading criminal USA profiler Pat Brown says both that the evidence points to an accident AND that the prospect of a pedaphile abductor theory doesn't make sense. "There are enough available blonde Caucasian children to target without selecting a child of wealthy British tourists then making your profile as a pedaphile ring untenable"

Good enough for me.

 

[jason_recliner]

The only certainty is the case will never be solved. Poor Christian will need counselling.

94% certain?

I find it difficult to believe that someone within UK police hasn't done these already. They certainly won't see light of day if they have. Once UK made it diplomatic to support a British citizen against the portugese there was no chance of it being solved.

MI5 and MI6 are on the job. Will never be solved.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Why would UK authorities help cover up an accidental death of a British toddler in Portugal?

Usually countries respect each others crime enforcement approaches. But it doesn't usually go that the poor peasant inferior morally debased one is showing up the beyond reproach wealthy sibling. Strings were pulled and suddenly the prime minister becomes involved and the issue is a diplomatic football where Amarale is forced out and Scotland Yard assistance is curtailed. Why? The only reason I can see is British arrogance they were being held to standard by a country they thought inferior in every sense. I know almost from the start when MM went missing there was western world urgency to get in there and help those poor parents from being railroaded by these portuguese riff raff. We have to intervene. Well they did and it now goes by the name Operation Grange. I'm sad to say I was one of many that thought that. They had my empathy and support. Gerry made sure he pulled every media string he could to have worldwide attention. But later when I scratched the surface and came to know the truth my empathy and support turned to utter disgust

 

[Kurve]

Leading criminal USA profiler Pat Brown says both that the evidence points to an accident AND that the prospect of a pedaphile abductor theory doesn't make sense. "There are enough available blonde Caucasian children to target without selecting a child of wealthy British tourists then making your profile as a pedaphile ring untenable"

Good enough for me.

Pat Brown most recently has been at pains through her youtube commentaries on the McCann case, to state very plainly, that it's possible Madeleine was abducted and that abductors can get in and out without leaving evidence behind that they were there. Changed tune a bit? Probably because since she began commenting on the case, the Germans have produced a good suspect and she might have to walk back.

She's been a tad too overconfident in the past, also written a book on the case.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Pat Brown most recently has been at pains through her youtube commentaries on the McCann case, to state very plainly, that it's possible Madeleine was abducted and that abductors can get in and out without leaving evidence behind that they were there. Changed tune a bit? Probably because since she began commenting on the case, the Germans have produced a good suspect and she might have to walk back.

She's been a tad too overconfident in the past, also written a book on the case.

I have done my own analysis and when I resolve an opinion no one changes but evidence. There has been no evidence produced whatsoever regarding Brueckner. So I certainly don't consider him a 'good suspect' at this point. I'm not even convinced he was there on the night.

 

[Kurve]

I have done my own analysis and when I resolve an opinion no one changes but evidence. There has been no evidence produced whatsoever regarding Brueckner. So I certainly don't consider him a 'good suspect' at this point. I'm not even convinced he was there on the night.

If you don't consider what's been put forward against Brueckner to this stage and knowing the history as evidence, then there's even far less of it that would go anywhere near a charge on the McCanns.

You just can't seem to apply objective analysis to developing information that points anywhere else but at the McCanns.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

If you don't consider what's been put forward against Brueckner to this stage and knowing the history as evidence, then there's even far less of it that would go anywhere near a charge on the McCanns.

You just can't seem to apply objective analysis to developing information that points anywhere else but at the McCanns.

Yes of course I can. But the harsh truth is they

• connect him to a phone call
• know he has sex offences
• have ping data which may place him within 200 metres but on rebutting analysis may be 20klm away per ex Detective
• have 'talk' that there MAY be something that CW has but we dont know what that is.
• there has been an as yet untested alibi
• he worked a time at Ocean Resort
• he has a link with a woman there
• on my understanding there were no finger prints

That IS the objective analysis. There is essentially no evidence. In contrast over 4200 pages of witness statements and evidence is compiled on PJ files and the end effect of that was that if they had direct than mixed DNA results at least KM would now be in jail. They even offered her a deal. Frankly it's chalk and cheese on evidence accumulated. Talk up Brueckner all you like at this point there is only the say so of CW. Not enough for me I'm afraid when I know the alternatives

 

[syko_killa]

“When questioned, the witness says that he remembers on Thursday 3rd May, on the day of the disappearance, that the parents went to dine at the restaurant with the usual people. He cannot be precise, but the witness says that the group arrived between 20.00 and 21.00. He remembers there being about 9 people in total. He states that he received the food orders from the group.

Later, between 22.00 and 22.30, when the witness was in the kitchen, he was informed by a colleague that in the meantime a client had entered the restaurant shouting and that afterwards the whole English had left in a panic. The witness' colleague told him that this individual had said that a child had disappeared. A few minutes later the witness noticed great agitation, with many people everywhere searching for the child.”

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAQUIM-J-M-BAPTISTA.

 

[syko_killa]

“The dogs only alerted to property associated with the McCann family. The dog
alert indications MUST be corroborated if to establish their findings as
evidence.”


“The U.K. has also approximately six Police dog teams that have been trained
exclusively on decomposing pig remains not for human consumption as
specialist dogs to work off the leash to locate human remains in a wider
variety of scenarios. Pig is used as it has been proven in training and
operationally over the last 20 years to be a reliable analogue for human
remains detecting training for dogs. The possession of human remains for the
purpose of training dogs in the U.K. is not acceptable at this point in time.”



OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS EDDIE & KEELA MARTIN GRIME REPORT

 

[Kurve]

Yes of course I can. But the harsh truth is they

• connect him to a phone call
• know he has sex offences
• have ping data which may place him within 200 metres but on rebutting analysis may be 20klm away per ex Detective
• have 'talk' that there MAY be something that CW has but we dont know what that is.
• there has been an as yet untested alibi
• he worked a time at Ocean Resort
• he has a link with a woman there
• on my understanding there were no finger prints

That IS the objective analysis. There is essentially no evidence. In contrast over 4200 pages of witness statements and evidence is compiled on PJ files and the end effect of that was that if they had direct than mixed DNA results at least KM would now be in jail. They even offered her a deal. Frankly it's chalk and cheese on evidence accumulated. Talk up Brueckner all you like at this point there is only the say so of CW. Not enough for me I'm afraid when I know the alternatives

Off the top of my head, things you left out against Brueckner:

• Committing sex crimes against children while he was working at the Resort
• Committing sex crimes against the weak for years in the period he was in the Algarve and filming it
• Familiarity as the handyman with how the rooms were laid out and staff routines
• Deregistered one of his cars the day after Maddie disappeared & peeled out of the Algarve
• Known links to paedophile networks
• A massive collection of child pornography and torture pr0n
• Admissions he was involved in Madeleine's abduction in person to person conversations
• A record of internet chat where he's quite open about his desires (I don't really want to repeat it)
• A collection of little girls swimsuits in one of his vehicles

We know there's even more.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Off the top of my head, things you left out against Brueckner:

• Committing sex crimes against children while he was working at the Resort
• Committing sex crimes against the weak for years in the period he was in the Algarve and filming it
• Familiarity as the handyman with how the rooms were laid out and staff routines
• Deregistered one of his cars the day after Maddie disappeared & peeled out of the Algarve
• Known links to paedophile networks
• A massive collection of child pornography and torture pr0n
• Admissions he was involved in Madeleine's abduction in person to person conversations
• A record of internet chat where he's quite open about his desires (I don't really want to repeat it)
• A collection of little girls swimsuits in one of his vehicles

We know there's even more.

Most of that is covered in my list. Other answers .....

The car was deregistered and instead put in associates name as I understand it for part payment of rental in Germany. No consequence.

Collection of pr0n not seen or described in CW possession.

Links to pedaphile networks is unproven speculation. There was ' talk' of a desire to do this. There was also 'talk' about a possible phone call with someone linked but not evidence of any nature. There is also 'talk' he went on a trip to a pedaphile hub but nay have been a drugs run too

An associate making claims of involvement isn't uncommon for this type of thing and doesn't prove anything

Children's swimwear not being MM doesn't create a link

We KNOW there is more??? How why and what is it? Speculation and innuendo.

 

[syko_killa]

“The result from
scientific experiments and research to date is suggestive that the scent of
human and pig decomposing material is so similar that we are unable to 'train'
the dog to distinguish between the two. That is not to say that this may not be
possible in the future.“

OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS EDDIE & KEELA MARTIN GRIME REPORT

 

[Kurve]

Most of that is covered in my list. Other answers .....

The car was deregistered and instead put in associates name as I understand it for part payment of rental in Germany. No consequence.

Collection of pr0n not seen or described in CW possession.

Links to pedaphile networks is unproven speculation. There was ' talk' of a desire to do this. There was also 'talk' about a possible phone call with someone linked but not evidence of any nature. There is also 'talk' he went on a trip to a pedaphile hub but nay have been a drugs run too

An associate making claims of involvement isn't uncommon for this type of thing and doesn't prove anything

Children's swimwear not being MM doesn't create a link

We KNOW there is more??? How why and what is it? Speculation and innuendo.

Wow ... so unaware

 

[Angry Red Bull]

“The result from
scientific experiments and research to date is suggestive that the scent of
human and pig decomposing material is so similar that we are unable to 'train'
the dog to distinguish between the two. That is not to say that this may not be
possible in the future.“

OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS EDDIE & KEELA MARTIN GRIME REPORT

I would appreciate a copy of the full scientific article from which you refer quoting the similarity between pigs and human remains. They are not very similar at all as it turns out. There are only a common 7 compounds common to humans then in pigs. 7 of 30. That means 23 human remains compounds unaccounted for in pigs At the same time there are 9 compounds in pigs not in humans. Don't know the source of the quote but happy to look at the entirety please. Based on my quick searches I think it is erroneous but happy to be proven wrong

It was useful me renewing these searches. Turns out the accuracy is 95% not 94%.

 

[BonzaRam]

I would appreciate a copy of the full scientific article from which you refer quoting the similarity between pigs and human remains. They are not very similar at all as it turns out. There are only a common 7 compounds common to humans then in pigs. 7 of 30. That means 23 human remains compounds unaccounted for in pigs At the same time there are 9 compounds in pigs not in humans. Don't know the source of the quote but happy to look at the entirety please. Based on my quick searches I think it is erroneous but happy to be proven wrong

It was useful me renewing these searches. Turns out the accuracy is 95% not 94%.

It is not that hard to understand that just like profiling, cadaver/blood dog findings need to be backed up by scientific tools/analysis. Why? because at the moment we don't know what exact compounds the dogs react too. Just like profiling can point investigators in specific direction for further investigation it is not evidence. Dogs can locate blood/cadaver traces, fresh and or historic, but they do not tell you who or where that scent came from and it is not actual evidence. We can argue the accuracy of the dogs finding traces of blood until the cows come home but in the end it still needs to be backed up by forensic analysis.

Personally I am not disputing their accuracy, they have proven thier abilities in many many different scenarios but I am not going to fool myself into believing they can do anything other than find potential leads in an investigation. So that is a 95% probability at finding something if it is there to be found and that is all they do.