Unsolved Madeleine McCann

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This is one that's fascinated me since the day it happened.

There‘s endless amounts of reading on the web so Google does the trick... the basics are at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeline_McCann

Unfortunately as the months and years fall off the calendar, the prospect of finding her alive becomes more and more remote.

It’s a puzzling one... I suspect the parents though I’m far from convinced. Think it could also have been some kind of robbery gone wrong, Madeleine awoke and the assailant was forced to keep her quiet? It’s baffling.
 

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I dunno about the parents. A certain logic says they are the most likely, but ever since the abduction they've had private detectives trying to track her down. Sounds like a way too elaborate and unnecessary exercise when they have been cleared of any involvement. As an aside, my step father is a journalist overseas. Very well established and the like, He does features on science/cultural things with a sort of gonzo perspective. He once interviewed David Icke and found him, which surprised me because he's so skeptical and probing while Icke is a nut bar, 'very convincing and lucid'. Anyways, he was saying to me that the general feel from UK journalists he respects are that the parents weren't involved, and that along with being abducted by parties, there's quite possibly some sort of hindrance/cover-up going on at a local level. Dunno much more than that.
 
Yeah im a bit sus on the parents, but it just doesn't make much sense. Firstly, if they willingly killed their daughter, there's the obvious question of motive - they had a beautiful, happy young daughter who was apparently adored by all who met her - I just can't think of a reason why they would want her gone.

Secondly, if her death was some kind of accident that the parents have attempted to conceal, they've done an amazing job of it. They were away on holidays, in pretty unfamiliar surroundings, certainly not at home, surrounded by friends and witnesses, and they've somehow managed to get her body to an unknown location where they've successfully concealed it without anyone being able to find a trace. Where? How?

Not to mention the pretty solid alibis they have on the night it all came to pass. Somebody else would almost had to have been in on it, which makes it even more improbable.

I also think the allegation of local police corruption or coverup are almost a natural reaction by the media etc - there almost a tendancy to look down on and question a foreign police force operating in a different manner to what we're used to.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Yeah im a bit sus on the parents, but it just doesn't make much sense. Firstly, if they willingly killed their daughter, there's the obvious question of motive - they had a beautiful, happy young daughter who was apparently adored by all who met her - I just can't think of a reason why they would want her gone.

Secondly, if her death was some kind of accident that the parents have attempted to conceal, they've done an amazing job of it. They were away on holidays, in pretty unfamiliar surroundings, certainly not at home, surrounded by friends and witnesses, and they've somehow managed to get her body to an unknown location where they've successfully concealed it without anyone being able to find a trace. Where? How?

Not to mention the pretty solid alibis they have on the night it all came to pass. Somebody else would almost had to have been in on it, which makes it even more improbable.

I also think the allegation of local police corruption or coverup are almost a natural reaction by the media etc - there almost a tendancy to look down on and question a foreign police force operating in a different manner to what we're used to.
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The thing about Spain, is that corruption, unfortunately is deeply entrenched in many aspects of society. Indeed, there's a Spanish word for it - which escapes me now - that kind of covers off the expected nepotism rife in society.
 
Remember seeing something on tv the other year, basically the theory was she may have been kidnapped by gypsies in a orginised child snatching ring - supposedly there has been a few cases in Greece over the years. Who knows though, not sure this one will ever be solved
 
I've read a bit about this over the years. It's very weird. The McCann's are continually feeding the media with guaranteed headline-grabbers - 'Gypsies!', 'Known Pedos In Portugal' ect, which the tabloids eat up. It is almost a holy writ in the UK that 'Thou Must Not Say Anything Negative About The Parents'.

Did you know that the mum refused to answer any questions from the Portugese Police during the investigation? This has been painted by the British Tabloid press as 'Avoiding Entrapment' rather than 'Refusing to Co-Operate'.

The Portugese Police Officer in Charge of the investigation has basically said 'The McCann's did it'. Maybe it was an accident (did they give the kid too much drugs so she would sleep while they were away at dinner?). He has since been charged with corruption over another unrelated case, so he cops it from the tabloids.

Basically, the case has been gone over so much, that the internet is full of rubbish sites analysing 'Body Language' from past interviews and putting interpretations on holiday snapshots (Was It Manipulated?), and making much of apparently random facts (did you know the Dad had his wallet stolen the day he returned to the UK? Hmmmmm.....) that we have to realise it's really a big unknown spawning as many conspiracy theories as something like 9/11 - except there is no film of the actual event.
 
Wallaby said:
I've read a bit about this over the years. It's very weird. The McCann's are continually feeding the media with guaranteed headline-grabbers - 'Gypsies!', 'Known Pedos In Portugal' ect, which the tabloids eat up. It is almost a holy writ in the UK that 'Thou Must Not Say Anything Negative About The Parents'.
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You could argue that they're doing that to keep the case in the media, because once something like disappears from the public eye, it's hard to reignite interest.
 
bunsen burner said:
I'll go pedo ring. I don't think it was the parents.
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Dont think it was the parents either, there are some very sophisticated child/slave trafficking rings running out of north africa which have various police forces in their pockets, they are pretty well financed and the Portugese cops were dreadful at the time however Im not sure if this is due to corruption or their skillset.

However going after a rich western girl is damn risky.
 
So why would one of these rings snatch her? To sell her for sex or slavery or something awful? Would she be dead by now?
 

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It’s all very murky stuff, it’s a possibility. Supposedly these rings operate services for westerners who are after child pornography or even more sickeningly, a rendezvous with a child themselves. It’s very hard to know as few of these things have ever been exposed. I’ve heard of organisations being uncovered in Asia that effectively ran child sex tours for westerners, but never a case of a child from the first world being taken and “used” by these rings.

It’s not like it’d be reported though, any sick * accessing these services or material isn’t exactly going to come forward and say they saw her. We’re talking about the very depths of human existence and depravity.

If this is in fact what occurred, I give her zero chance of still being alive – the amount of attention this captured across the world would have well and truly scared her captors into taking action.

My theory is a little less conspiratorial... I reckon it was probably an intruder / thief knocking over the villas of middle-class tourists whilst they were out for dinner. Madeleine has woken and disturbed him/them and there’s been panic, and something has gone wrong.
 
Bosun said:
Dont think it was the parents either, there are some very sophisticated child/slave trafficking rings running out of north africa which have various police forces in their pockets, they are pretty well financed and the Portugese cops were dreadful at the time however Im not sure if this is due to corruption or their skillset.

However going after a rich western girl is damn risky.
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Forget Africa, pedo rings operate all over Europe.

Belgium = chocolate, dungeons, and pedo rings
 
Silent Alarm said:
So why would one of these rings snatch her? To sell her for sex or slavery or something awful? Would she be dead by now?
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If it's a pedo ring, could still be alive.

Anyone remember Marc Dutroux? Have a read of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux

There is widespread belief he was part of a large pedo ring:

Allegations of massive cover-up

There was widespread anger and frustration among Belgians due to police errors, the general slowness of the investigation and Dutroux's claims that he was part of a sex ring that included high ranking members of the police force and government. This anger culminated when the popular investigative judge in charge of investigating the claims was dismissed on the grounds of having participated in a fund-raising dinner for the girls' parents. The investigation itself was wound up. His dismissal and end of the investigation resulted in a massive protest march (the "White March") of 300,000 people on the capital, Brussels, in October 1996, two months after Dutroux's arrest, in which demands were made for reforms of Belgium's police and justice system.
On the witness stand, Jean-Marc Connerotte, the original judge of the case, broke down in tears when he described "the bullet-proof vehicles and armed guards needed to protect him against the shadowy figures determined to stop the full truth coming out. Never before in Belgium has an investigating judge at the service of the king been subjected to such pressure. We were told by police that [murder] contracts had been taken out against the magistrates." Connerotte testified that the investigation was seriously hampered by protection of suspects by people in the government. "Rarely has so much energy been spent opposing an inquiry," he said. He believed that the Mafia had taken control of the case.[6]
 
bunsen burner said:
Forget Africa, pedo rings operate all over Europe.

Belgium = chocolate, dungeons, and pedo rings
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Very true however Portugal and Spain are frequently targeted by North African slave traders, they usually target poor locals though, ones that don't get media attention and have families that have wealth, resources or help.

******* scum.
 
grizzlym said:
I dunno about the parents. A certain logic says they are the most likely, but ever since the abduction they've had private detectives trying to track her down. Sounds like a way too elaborate and unnecessary exercise when they have been cleared of any involvement. As an aside, my step father is a journalist overseas. Very well established and the like, He does features on science/cultural things with a sort of gonzo perspective. He once interviewed David Icke and found him, which surprised me because he's so skeptical and probing while Icke is a nut bar, 'very convincing and lucid'. Anyways, he was saying to me that the general feel from UK journalists he respects are that the parents weren't involved, and that along with being abducted by parties, there's quite possibly some sort of hindrance/cover-up going on at a local level. Dunno much more than that.
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Interesting. I know some of the BBC team that covered it from Day One and they are convinced it was the Mum. By accident, then panicking etc.
 
The "paedo ring" stuff is just lurid tabloid racist fantasy.

As the Savile case and many others show, real paedo rings don't snatch kids from their beds at night, they abuse possitions of power and operate effectively in plain sight.
 
Wallaby said:
I've read a bit about this over the years. It's very weird. The McCann's are continually feeding the media with guaranteed headline-grabbers - 'Gypsies!', 'Known Pedos In Portugal' ect, which the tabloids eat up. It is almost a holy writ in the UK that 'Thou Must Not Say Anything Negative About The Parents'.
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Given the amount that the Star and Express among others had to pay out for their wild and defamatory accusations against the parents, undferstandable.

I was in the UK when it happened and plenty negative about the parents was said.
 
DawOfPromotion said:
The "paedo ring" stuff is just lurid tabloid racist fantasy.
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Racist? Who are they persecuting?

As the Savile case and many others show, real paedo rings don't snatch kids from their beds at night, they abuse possitions of power and operate effectively in plain sight.
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That doesn't mean the snatch and hold has a sex slave doesn't happen. Are you even remotely aware of the sex slave trade in Europe? Poor girls from Eastern Europe are being kidnapped and traded as sex slaves regularly.
 
bunsen burner said:
Racist? Who are they persecuting?

That doesn't mean the snatch and hold has a sex slave doesn't happen. Are you even remotely aware of the sex slave trade in Europe? Poor girls from Eastern Europe are being kidnapped and traded as sex slaves regularly.
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Gypsies and Arabs.

Most of the girls from the East are tricked into leavining their home towns willingly, thinking they'll work as maids or in a bar.

Even then, there's research to show that many Eastern European sex workers in the UK thought to be "trafficked" are actually there willingly.
 
DawOfPromotion said:
Gypsies and Arabs.

Most of the girls from the East are tricked into leavining their home towns willingly, thinking they'll work as maids or in a bar.

Even then, there's research to show that many Eastern European sex workers in the UK thought to be "trafficked" are actually there willingly.
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I agree that the most likely suspect seemed to be the parents. The way they have been crusading the case ever since, way beyond what was necessary to throw off doubt, another reason it makes me think it wasn't them.
 
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