USA MAGA activist Charlie Kirk shot dead during Utah rally

[Gethelred]

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Thanks all.

 

[the_interloper]

American right wing podcaster, shooter still on the loose, they did apprehend someone but wasn't the guy apparently. Hope this doesn't cause some sort of left-right tit for tat scenario.

Shooter still at large after influencer Charlie Kirk killed at university event

Donald Trump confirms Charlie Kirk has been shot dead in front of a crowd of horrified students, with the US president describing the conservative activist as a "tremendous person" and a "very good friend".

www.abc.net.au

 

[Hank Scorpion]

Want to honour Charlie Kirk's memory, by turning to one of his quotes

“Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty… You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won’t have a single gun death… I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.”

(And that this happened on a campus...)

 

[Cap]

Finding the reaction online to this pretty hilarious

Supporters of a guy who openly spread hate and division shocked at the lack of sympathy. Surely thoughts and prayers are enough ?

Its exactly like the soybean farmers wondering why no one has much sympathy for them as Trump sends them broke.

 

[kickazz]

Don't know much about the guy. Saw a couple of his videos and they seemed to fall into that "beat you with rhetorical games" schtick. But seemed harmless enough?

As for guns laws and the second amendment, it's all been said, there's nothing to add other than asking if the USA is brave enough to fix it.

 

[kalex6251]

efforts to canonise kirk as some sort of MAGAt martyr will be everywhere ...... and relentless

bone spurs has already ordered flags lowered across the country .... lets not forget his 'empathetic' response to the melissa hortman assassination

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Amen, Charlie.

 

[Demons09]

Not surprised with the views here faarken lunatics the peaceful left lol.

 

[The Punter]

He has a 3 year old daughter and a 1 year old son who have done nothing to deserve this.

I don't think I agreed with a single thing I read that he said.

But this is why I have railed against the rhetoric and called on everyone to do better. Did my time in the penalty box too.

So I'm not going to participate in small triumphalism today, but instead think of his two young children.

 

[kickazz]

He has a 3 year old daughter and a 1 year old son who have done nothing to deserve this.

I don't think I agreed with a single thing I read that he said.

But this is why I have railed against the rhetoric and called on everyone to do better. Did my time in the penalty box too.

So I'm not going to participate in small triumphalism today, but instead think of his two young children.

Focusing on people more than ideology is the first step out of this mess, should we choose to take it.

 

[the_interloper]

Not surprised with the views here faarken lunatics the peaceful left lol.

I did expect it tbh, real shame.

He has a 3 year old daughter and a 1 year old son who have done nothing to deserve this.

I don't think I agreed with a single thing I read that he said.

But this is why I have railed against the rhetoric and called on everyone to do better. Did my time in the penalty box too.

So I'm not going to participate in small triumphalism today, but instead think of his two young children.

This post is a lot better.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Not surprised with the views here faarken lunatics the peaceful left lol.

I'm certainly not left, I'm anti-guns and he took one for what he believed in.

 

[Angak]

America is in a dangerous moment. Hatred toward people with different views or identities is at its highest point since the civil rights era.
Musk openly talks about civil war. He says it's coming... While using his X account and the algorithms he controls to fuel division and amplify conflict. It is a dangerous cycle. Trump does not have the temperament or the discipline to bring the temperature down. Big worry.

 

[awaremind]

Focusing on people more than ideology is the first step out of this mess, should we choose to take it.

Good angle

 

[CM86]

Anyone who's watched the footage, and their immediate response is excusing/praising/laughing etc... You need to reassess.

While I can understand/agree with your sentiment. I cannot understand how you can watch it and so easily move forward.

He was killed. He was a human life.

He may have helped/supported the loss of life for untold others. But you shouldn't have an instant reaction in some affirmative, if you've seen the footage.

 

[CM86]

I'm a progressive.
I stand against Kirk's ideology because of my ideology.

That's why I can't understand anyone enjoying this.

 

[mrmonkey]

Don't know much about the guy. Saw a couple of his videos and they seemed to fall into that "beat you with rhetorical games" schtick. But seemed harmless enough?

As for guns laws and the second amendment, it's all been said, there's nothing to add other than asking if the USA is brave enough to fix it.

I'm in the same boat, don't know much about him besides a few videos. Certainly doesn't warrant an assassination.

In terms of gun laws, I would imagine his biggest supporters would also be supporters of pro gun laws. Sadly this won't persuade them imo.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

He has a 3 year old daughter and a 1 year old son who have done nothing to deserve this.

Sure, I sympathise, as I do for the children of Dezi Freeman or the New Zealand fugitive shot dead by the police. It doesn't absolve the individual of their sins though, actions have consequences.

He was killed. He was a human life.

Scores of people are murdered each day in Palestine, Yemen, Sudan, Congo and Myanmar. Few outside their relatives care about them. But I'm supposed to be profoundly affected by the death of one person who actively campaigned to make the world a worse place?

 

[Golden_6]

America is in a dangerous moment. Hatred toward people with different views or identities is at its highest point since the civil rights era.
Musk openly talks about civil war. He says it's coming... While using his X account and the algorithms he controls to fuel division and amplify conflict. It is a dangerous cycle. Trump does not have the temperament or the discipline to bring the temperature down. Big worry.

I really never understand why someone like Musk keeps pushing the civil war agenda. He's literally already the richest man in the world and had direct access to the most powerful person on the planet. What's the need to create further division and angst amongst society when you already have everything? It's sickening.

 

[The Punter]

Scores of people are murdered each day in Palestine, Yemen, Sudan, Congo and Myanmar. Few in the West care about them. But I'm supposed to be profoundly affected by the death of one person who actively campaigned to make the world a worse place?

You have been profoundly affected. Per your earlier post you find it cause for celebration.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

I'm a progressive.
I stand against Kirk's ideology because of my ideology.

That's why I can't understand anyone enjoying this.

Great call. There's no joy to be taken from this. Sure the irony can be pointed out but at the end of the day, another politically motivated murder has occurred in the US. The place is screwed. Both sides are guilty here.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

You have been profoundly affected. Per your earlier post you find it cause for celebration.

Thanks, pedant. The implication from the post I was quoting was that people should be negatively affected. I'm glad you think amusement is profound though.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

In terms of gun laws, I would imagine his biggest supporters would also be supporters of pro gun laws. Sadly this won't persuade them imo.

Trump was shot and it didn't affect the right's attitude to gun laws. Nothing will change.

 

[Gough]

I wonder if we can find a patriot to post bail for his accused killer.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I really never understand why someone like Musk keeps pushing the civil war agenda. He's literally already the richest man in the world and had direct access to the most powerful person on the planet. What's the need to create further division and angst amongst society when you already have everything? It's sickening.

It's like Romans with gladiator matches, or modern day people with bum fights. He wants the poor people to fight for his amusement.

 

[awaremind]

America is in a dangerous moment. Hatred toward people with different views or identities is at its highest point since the civil rights era.
Musk openly talks about civil war. He says it's coming... While using his X account and the algorithms he controls to fuel division and amplify conflict. It is a dangerous cycle. Trump does not have the temperament or the discipline to bring the temperature down. Big worry.

The media

Anyone who's watched the footage, and their immediate response is excusing/praising/laughing etc... You need to reassess.

While I can understand/agree with your sentiment. I cannot understand how you can watch it and so easily move forward.

He was killed. He was a human life.

He may have helped/supported the loss of life for untold others. But you shouldn't have an instant reaction in some affirmative, if you've seen the footage.

Best post by you I’ve seen . Really