USA MAGA activist Charlie Kirk shot dead during Utah rally

[Gethelred]

Okay. We've probably had enough of a free for all.

There are still forum and site posting guidelines, and you will abide by them.

A few seem to be of the opinion that now is a good time to have a crack at moderators or moderation. I'd rather like to discourage that impulse so I'm going to make it explicit: a moderator on this forum is a poster like any other, and can share their views and have free use of the forum like any other. If you feel a post breaches the rules report it; attacking a mod for their posting or objecting to a post purely because a moderator said it is grounds for an infraction and some time off.

From here, if you cannot speak civilly, you will not be allowed to participate.

Thanks all.

 

[CM86]

Candace literally said she wants war with the Zionists like Josh Hammer in the TP orbit, she’s got big balls to say that openly

Insane to me... You would use this to support Owens, while continuing to spread hate and lies about Thunberg.

How can you do this??

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Not sure but it’s not a problem to get this unless you’ve been convicted of such crimes. Has he? If not this means nothing.

Similar to the toxicology report. Why won't Trump release the Kirk files?

 

[CM86]

I don’t hate thunberg, I just questioned if she was free of her advisors securely had as a child, she also has big balls to stand up to idf, very dangerous !

Buuulshit.

Has she broken free of her handlers is the big question , does she call her own shots or does she do as she’s told.

This is what you stated.


That's not questioning shit. That's excusing the hate to her.

 

[awaremind]

Why do you hold others to a standard that you refuse to hold yourself to?

You stated that Thunberg is being 'handled' as the reason you hate her.
But you can't evidence it. Why?

I think it’s much less damaging claim to make, child sa is the most heinous crime there is imo, being handled isn’t even your fault.

 

[CM86]

Similar to the toxicology report. Why won't Trump release the Kirk files?

I've heard rumours about homosexuality. But I don't believe them.

But if he was a homosexual, it would destroy basically everything he was famous for. And would be a clear reason why it could never be released.

 

[awaremind]

Similar to the toxicology report. Why won't Trump release the Kirk files?

I sure don’t want this swept under the carpet, if trump is involved I hope they get him too!

 

[CM86]

I think it’s much less damaging claim to make, child sa is the most heinous crime there is imo, being handled isn’t even your fault.

That's child abuse, right?

You're claiming that Thunberg is a child being abused.
In fact it's worse.

You're claiming that the hate, death threats and actual abuse that she has received during her life, because of the lie that she was being 'handled' is good. Because she's 'bad'.

I didn't make any claim about child SA. You stated that she had and has handlers. And you've still not been able to support that lie in any form. And you refuse to even pretend to back down from it.

Why do you hate Thunberg so much, when she does everything you pretend to support?????

 

[awaremind]

Buuulshit.

This is what you stated.


That's not questioning shit. That's excusing the hate to her.

The abyss is staring into you a little here. I think my critique is fair and appreciates her current trajectory but again I question her authenticity as a child advocate. Such people are bound to be either advised heavily by thier parents or others.

 

[awaremind]

That's child abuse, right?

You're claiming that Thunberg is a child being abused.
In fact it's worse.

You're claiming that the hate, death threats and actual abuse that she has received during her life, because of the lie that she was being 'handled' is good. Because she's 'bad'.

I didn't make any claim about child SA. You stated that she had and has handlers. And you've still not been able to support that lie in any form. And you refuse to even pretend to back down from it.

Why do you hate Thunberg so much, when she does everything you pretend to support?????

lol chill

 

[CM86]

The abyss is staring into you a little here. I think my critique is fair and appreciates her current trajectory but again I question her authenticity as a child advocate. Such people are bound to be either advised heavily by thier parents or others.

lol chill

As long as we both agree you don't stand by anything you claim to.


Just in case you're genuine and actually live under a rock.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/04/greta-thunberg-israel-gaza-sweden

 

[awaremind]

That's child abuse, right?

You're claiming that Thunberg is a child being abused.
In fact it's worse.

You're claiming that the hate, death threats and actual abuse that she has received during her life, because of the lie that she was being 'handled' is good. Because she's 'bad'.

I didn't make any claim about child SA. You stated that she had and has handlers. And you've still not been able to support that lie in any form. And you refuse to even pretend to back down from it.

Why do you hate Thunberg so much, when she does everything you pretend to support?????

As long as we both agree you don't stand by anything you claim to.


Just in case you're genuine and actually live under a rock.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/04/greta-thunberg-israel-gaza-sweden

I didn’t read that before but that hardly surprises me
…. I was saying she may have been manipulated as a minor to play a role she didn’t fully understand. That’s not in the same ballpark as saying Charlie Kirk might have got hiv from underage secs.

Here is how this could occur
A handler, in the intelligence sense, runs a covert agent.
An activist or public figure, however, often has a network that looks structurally similar but is non-covert and legitimate, such as:
• Advisors and communications strategists who help shape messaging.
• Organizational sponsors or NGOs that provide funding or logistics.
• Media consultants and managers who coordinate appearances and public framing.
• Political or advocacy mentors who introduce them to networks of influence.

These people can serve guiding or gatekeeping roles, but they are not “handlers” in the espionage sense — because everything is aboveboard and non-secret.

 

[Cyg1992]

Why do people who talk about the 'bravery' of Kirk, Owens, Carlson etc... all seem to hate Thunberg?

Thunberg wasn't a multi millionaire nor was she backed by billionaires when she rose to prominence, like those other 3.

Also she's advocating for positive change, not reactionary garbage like those other 3.

 

[CM86]

Charlie Kirk might have got hiv from underage secs.

That's interesting.


So you think there is a possibility that Kirk gave HIV to underage kids, through his College grooming stuff?
And that the assassination may have been one of his former victims?

I don't believe it. But it's good to put ideas out there, right?

 

[Cyg1992]

Thunberg has literally been arrested by the IDF for her repeated attempts to bring aid to GAZA.

You swoon for Owens, you hate Thunberg.

Go ahead with your clear and obvious reasoning?

It's the other stuff Owens has said that appeals to them. A lot of the anti BLM/Uncle Tom stuff, anti feminist, anti trans and generally homophobic stuff.

And they don't care that Owens is anti Israel, they see what she's doing now as anti Jewish and a bit further down the rabbit hole.

They still loved her when she was partying like it was 1999, years ago when the US embassy shifted to Jerusalem in Israel.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I didn’t read that before but that hardly surprises me
…. I was saying she may have been manipulated as a minor to play a role she didn’t fully understand. That’s not in the same ballpark as saying Charlie Kirk might have got hiv from underage secs.

Here is how this could occur
A handler, in the intelligence sense, runs a covert agent.
An activist or public figure, however, often has a network that looks structurally similar but is non-covert and legitimate, such as:
• Advisors and communications strategists who help shape messaging.
• Organizational sponsors or NGOs that provide funding or logistics.
• Media consultants and managers who coordinate appearances and public framing.
• Political or advocacy mentors who introduce them to networks of influence.

These people can serve guiding or gatekeeping roles, but they are not “handlers” in the espionage sense — because everything is aboveboard and non-secret.

She seems to understand that the environment and human rights are linked, and that both are threatened by capitalism.

Which is why mainstream media doesn't give her much time anymore.

Anyways, if she has a handler, why haven't they monetised her massive platform?

Wouldn't it be more accurate to suggest that Charlie Kirk had handler/s, and that might have been his downfall in that he started to speak against them in the weeks prior to his alleged death?

 

[CM86]

It's the other stuff Owens has said that appeals to them. A lot of the anti BLM/Uncle Tom stuff, anti feminist, anti trans and generally homophobic stuff.

And they don't care that Owens is anti Israel, they see what she's doing now as anti Jewish and a bit further down the rabbit hole.

They still loved her when she was partying like it was 1999, years ago when the US embassy shifted to Jerusalem in Israel.

Exactly.

People didn't 'love' Peterson because he repeated the same basic 'get better' talking points as everyone else for decades. It's because he was the face of anti-trans in 2015.

Owens isn't anti-Israel. She loves ethno-states.
Owens has repeatedly defended Hitler, and denied the Holocaust.

 

[Cyg1992]

Exactly.

People didn't 'love' Peterson because he repeated the same basic 'get better' talking points as everyone else for decades. It's because he was the face of anti-trans in 2015.

Owens isn't anti-Israel. She loves ethno-states.
Owens has repeatedly defended Hitler, and denied the Holocaust.

Anyone else promoting self help, minus the anti trans stuff is labelled woke

Owens is just the garden variety piece of trash.
Let's not forget, one of our finest exports, locked up in NZ was an avid viewer and fan of hers.

And yeah the Hitler's 'nationalism' was great, it was only a problem when he decided to go global with it

 

[Cyber_punk]

She beat Andrew Tate 3 years ago. I'd suggest she is just getting started and it will be a very long game.

Loved her response after he got arrested.

Her ability to trigger 40-80yo men into fits of rage the way she does is impressive.

 

[CM86]

Has she broken free of her handlers is the big question , does she call her own shots or does she do as she’s told.

Can you please make a post admitting that this statement is baseless, and made purely on your hate towards Thunberg?
I've reported you for hateful misinformation.

Yes the narrative around Thunberg has been accepted for a long time. But at some time we need to address the lies and hate.

 

[sdfc]

Has she broken free of her handlers is the big question , does she call her own shots or does she do as she’s told.

She's turned out to be a real activist. Her powerful friends have deserted her. There's no money in protesting Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians.

 

[CM86]

She's turned out to be a real activist. Her powerful friends have deserted her. There's no money in protesting Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians.

When was she not an activist?
When did she become 'real' in your view?



You understand she's not just protesting... she's literally putting her life on the line... which is what she's done for most of her life...

Why do you think so many people hate her more than Tate, Bush or Trump?

 

[Spearman]

Why do you hold others to a standard that you refuse to hold yourself to?

You stated that Thunberg is being 'handled' as the reason you hate her.
But you can't evidence it. Why?

 

[CM86]

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

AOC will fall in line with the oligarchy 100%

I don't know. She has dropped the ball at least once, where she went against a vote that would have embargoed military trade between the U.S and Israel because she thought defensive weapons weren't going to kill anyone in Gaza.

She dropped that ball badly in failing to realise a strong shield enables the sword to kill and kill and kill again. She f*cked up and I hope she was made to realise that.

I still think she is the last, best hope that the United States has before the sun goes down forever on that nation.

 

[awaremind]

Can you please make a post admitting that this statement is baseless, and made purely on your hate towards Thunberg?
I've reported you for hateful misinformation.

Yes the narrative around Thunberg has been accepted for a long time. But at some time we need to address the lies and hate.

I asked a rhetorical and actual question I didn’t even make a claim in that post.

I don’t hate Greta thunberg or what causes she’s stood for btw. While I’m not a climate alarmist I do think we should do our 100% best to manage earth and its ecosystems and resources to the best of our ability, which isn’t really the case presently. I’m pro Palestinian statehood and self determination , justice etc .
Why would I actually hate her