Magpies Poach Harwood

[Macca19]

Port Magpies has 'stolen' yet another player from the Glenelg Football Club with Mark Harwood joining the Alberton mob. This is great for Port as now we have a proper forward instead of the makeshift one game wonder who isnt interested (Ormond Allen) and the worst footballer ive ever seen in my life (Sam Phillipou).
Glenelg has been a happy hunting ground for port over the years. It swapped Mark Tylor (LOL) for Phil Mcguiness (who has been one of our best players in the last 5 years), we stole back Eugene Warrior, and now Mark Harwood. He will be a welcome addition at Ethelton

 

[smithy]

Cant say I really agree with the move.
As an idea, maybe he should have to stick this season out and re-enter the SANFL mini-draft next year.
If he is good enough, other clubs will draft him first so as to avoid his previous clubs getting stuck with him.
All it really does is strengthen an already strong team with another AFL listed player.
This isn't sour grapes cause he went to Port, but I think there is probably a better solution.
All the best
Smithy

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by Macca19
Port Magpies has 'stolen' yet another player from the Glenelg Football Club with Mark Harwood joining the Alberton mob. This is great for Port as now we have a proper forward instead of the makeshift one game wonder who isnt interested (Ormond Allen) and the worst footballer ive ever seen in my life (Sam Phillipou).
Glenelg has been a happy hunting ground for port over the years. It swapped Mark Tylor (LOL) for Phil Mcguiness (who has been one of our best players in the last 5 years), we stole back Eugene Warrior, and now Mark Harwood. He will be a welcome addition at Ethelton

Harwood is a big sook. He left South for similar reasons and has done the same thing again ! Anyone who saw his games for us so far this year would agree with the selectors for dropping him to the reserves, yet he seems to think he is too good for that. Lets hope someone lays him out later this year in a game when we play the magpies next.

 

[Stegelator]

shut up easty

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by Stegelator
shut up easty

butt out of something you know nothing about dickhead ! It was the truth

 

[Stegelator]

Originally posted by eastaugh36


butt out of something you know nothing about dickhead ! It was the truth

shut up easty

 

[play on]

Originally posted by eastaugh36


butt out of something you know nothing about dickhead !

You continue to post about people like Go South. You know nothing about him. Posting that he needs a girlfriend. How do you know he doesn't have one?

So, you should take some of your own advice.


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[Uncle Steve]

Re: Re: Magpies Poach Harwood

Originally posted by eastaugh36

Anyone who saw his games for us so far this year would agree with the selectors for dropping him to the reserves

Point of order: Harwood was dropped for disciplinary reasons (he missed a player meeting), not because of any performance issues.

Though I do agree with your sentiment - he's been performing well below his ability, a stint in the reserves might have done him good regardless of any disciplinary breach.

Nevertheless - I am hugely peeved with the whole thing, and on many different levels:

1. If Harwood was not an AFL listed player and he was dropped to the seconds, he would not be able to whinge about it to his AFL club. When he plays with a SANFL team he is a SANFL player and should be expected to follow the rules of that SANFL club. If this entails being dropped to the reserves, then so be it. If he doesn't like the treatment, and seeks a change of club because of it, then he is a soft **** and has no business playing at AFL level, let alone SANFL. The fact that he has done this before - actively seeking to be transferred from South - does nothing to improve his image.

2. Glenelg has effectively lost one of its "better" players (I use the term loosely - only because he is supposeclly capable of performing at AFL) in the middle of the season. What recompense do the Bays receive for this? When he came over from South, Glenelg traded a player for him (Jon Symonds, from memory - I could be wrong). How is Glenelg compensated for this loss?

3. Players changing clubs mid season is Just Not On, in my opinion. This applies to all players in recent memory - Warrior, McGuinness and Tylor. When a player signs (or is allocated by Power/Crows) for a season he should be bound to that club for that season - if he changes his mind, then he should sit out the rest of the year.

4. Who decided where Harwood was to be sent - was it the Port Power? If so, this opens up a huge can of worms. Currently the AFL clubs have no say in where their recruits will play, this is decided by the "mini draft". However if all the Power's (or Crows) players were to whinge that they wanted a change of team, would this allow the Power (or Crows) to then allocate all those players as they saw fit? And why was Port Magpies chosen as the lucky recipient? Especially when you consider that Harwood is much more likely to play reserves at Port Magpies than he was at Glenelg - and not because of disciplinary reasons. As an earlier poster suggested, all this is doing is bolstering the depth of an already-strong SANFL club which already has many AFL listed players. This smacks of collusion between the Power and Magpies. If the Power was serious about having him play league, they'd leave him at Glenelg, or at least send him to one of North, West or Sturt where he might get a regular guernsey.

5. This one isn't a peeve, but: Why the hell does Port want Harwood in the first place? Williams seems to think that Harwood will slot right in - and I did read Macca's comments in the original post - but I don't see him being a useful player there. He hasn't been up to scratch this year; he has only been a regular in Glenelg's league side because of the general ineptitude of the other players. Port already has a fairly well settled side which is performing well, and they already have depth to cover this side, plus call on several AFL players come finals time - so why bother with Harwood?

Enough of my venting. He's going to cop an earful at the Bay next week, I'll see to that.

 

[CDFCLad]

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4. Who decided where Harwood was to be sent - was it the Port Power? If so, this opens up a huge can of worms. Currently the AFL clubs have no say in where their recruits will play, this is decided by the "mini draft". However if all the Power's (or Crows) players were to whinge that they wanted a change of team, would this allow the Power (or Crows) to then allocate all those players as they saw fit? And why was Port Magpies chosen as the lucky recipient? Especially when you consider that Harwood is much more likely to play reserves at Port Magpies than he was at Glenelg - and not because of disciplinary reasons. As an earlier poster suggested, all this is doing is bolstering the depth of an already-strong SANFL club which already has many AFL listed players. This smacks of collusion between the Power and Magpies. If the Power was serious about having him play league, they'd leave him at Glenelg, or at least send him to one of North, West or Sturt where he might get a regular guernsey.

I agree. This isn't the first time the Maggies have been helped out either, remember Gilligan?

As to the excuse that it's closer to his home. Please be serious. We're not talking hours of travel here are we? How far is Richmond or Woodville Ovals from Alberton.............yeah, long trek that is!!

 

[Macca19]

Re: Re: Re: Magpies Poach Harwood

Originally posted by Uncle Steve


Point of order: Harwood was dropped for disciplinary reasons (he missed a player meeting), not because of any performance issues.

Though I do agree with your sentiment - he's been performing well below his ability, a stint in the reserves might have done him good regardless of any disciplinary breach.

Nevertheless - I am hugely peeved with the whole thing, and on many different levels:

1. If Harwood was not an AFL listed player and he was dropped to the seconds, he would not be able to whinge about it to his AFL club. When he plays with a SANFL team he is a SANFL player and should be expected to follow the rules of that SANFL club. If this entails being dropped to the reserves, then so be it. If he doesn't like the treatment, and seeks a change of club because of it, then he is a soft **** and has no business playing at AFL level, let alone SANFL. The fact that he has done this before - actively seeking to be transferred from South - does nothing to improve his image.

2. Glenelg has effectively lost one of its "better" players (I use the term loosely - only because he is supposeclly capable of performing at AFL) in the middle of the season. What recompense do the Bays receive for this? When he came over from South, Glenelg traded a player for him (Jon Symonds, from memory - I could be wrong). How is Glenelg compensated for this loss?

3. Players changing clubs mid season is Just Not On, in my opinion. This applies to all players in recent memory - Warrior, McGuinness and Tylor. When a player signs (or is allocated by Power/Crows) for a season he should be bound to that club for that season - if he changes his mind, then he should sit out the rest of the year.

4. Who decided where Harwood was to be sent - was it the Port Power? If so, this opens up a huge can of worms. Currently the AFL clubs have no say in where their recruits will play, this is decided by the "mini draft". However if all the Power's (or Crows) players were to whinge that they wanted a change of team, would this allow the Power (or Crows) to then allocate all those players as they saw fit? And why was Port Magpies chosen as the lucky recipient? Especially when you consider that Harwood is much more likely to play reserves at Port Magpies than he was at Glenelg - and not because of disciplinary reasons. As an earlier poster suggested, all this is doing is bolstering the depth of an already-strong SANFL club which already has many AFL listed players. This smacks of collusion between the Power and Magpies. If the Power was serious about having him play league, they'd leave him at Glenelg, or at least send him to one of North, West or Sturt where he might get a regular guernsey.

5. This one isn't a peeve, but: Why the hell does Port want Harwood in the first place? Williams seems to think that Harwood will slot right in - and I did read Macca's comments in the original post - but I don't see him being a useful player there. He hasn't been up to scratch this year; he has only been a regular in Glenelg's league side because of the general ineptitude of the other players. Port already has a fairly well settled side which is performing well, and they already have depth to cover this side, plus call on several AFL players come finals time - so why bother with Harwood?

Enough of my venting. He's going to cop an earful at the Bay next week, I'll see to that.

1. agreed

2. Glenelg isnt compensated for this loss. Harwood chose to leave. Just like Warrior chose to leave mid last year and Danny Morgan chose to leave Port mid last year too. You cant get compensated.

3. Warrior did not change clubs mid year. Last year he chose to quite league football through personal issues. Eugene went to Stephen Williams this year and asked him for help to get back on the right track and for a second chance. Mcguiness wanted to leave Glenelg to get a shot at the Power squad in 1996 (he missed), Tylor was a fair swap as he was not happy and being put in a back pocket at Port (due to the storming form of Hodges at the time) or in the reserves. Fair swap. Altho i do not agree with players swapping clubs mid year.

4. Harwood decided where he wanted to go, and the Magpies said ok. If they said no, he woulda tried somewhere else. Power had no say in where he was to go.
Im not sure if you follow the crows or not but i find what happened this year and last very bias and double standard. Glenelg benefited from the current situation:

Port last year asked the SANFL clubs if they would mind if their draft picks got sent to the Magpies so they could keep a proper eye on their development etc. Crows complained to the trees about this and said it was unfair, as did many SANFL clubs. Suddenly this year the Crows want Angwin and Handby to be placed at Glenelg. Funny how noone screamed murder at this. Bias, double standard and it is not on. If Port asked that, they woulda been screamed at again, but because it was the Crows, and the SANFL board basically is the crows, it was all fine and dandy. I dont hear any complaints about that.

5. Harwood is welcome down at the magpies. He will definatly get a game i would think. He can play forward or defence. Altho he has been out of form. Port at the moment have no key full forward, or tall forward really in any form at all. Ormond Allen wont do much again. Phillipou is the worst player ive ever seen put on a port guernsey. Phil Smith cant get a game altho with strong reserves form. Harwood presents a tall forward option that is needed at the Magpies at the moment. Yes weare scoring lots of goals and playing very well...but most of our goals are from are midfielders (steed, brown etc) or from our smaller forwards (mcdowall, ricky O). Harwood will be ultra handy for us.

anyway thats what i reckon.
I understand you feeling disgruntled about this, but what can you do...whats done is done...plus glenelg have had a fair go thru handby and angwin being told to go there together.

 

[Macca19]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Magpies Poach Harwood

Originally posted by CDFCLad

I agree. This isn't the first time the Maggies have been helped out either, remember Gilligan?

This is not some sort of vendetta or helping out the magpies. Harwood chose to leave, he chose Port Magpies. Gilligan left North due to differences, he chose Port Magpies. What are the SANFL to do?? say "No you cant go there cos they are strong enough already". You cant do that...if a player wants to play somewhere else, then the SANFL cant do anything to stop that.

Just to sort a few things out...here is the main part of the article:

Harwood asked to leave Glenelg early this week because of a falling out with the club on the weekend after he was dropped to the reserves because he missed a post-match player meeting.

Port Magpies and Woodville-West Torrens led the race for Harwood, but Mark opted for Port because it was closer to home and they could use him as a leading forward. Power football operations manager Rob Snowdon said that it was Harwood's choice to go to the Magpies, and that they would have been happy for him to stay at Glenelg if the problem had been sorted out. "Once he decided he wanted to leave we had to look after the interests of the player" said Snowdon.

Glenelg general manager Jeff Zadow said that being an AFL listed player didn't excuse Harwood from being present at a meeting. "He was no different to any other player on our list" he said. "All players are expected to abide by team rules and there are no exceptions to the policy."

 

[CDFCLad]

'What are the SANFL to do?? say "No you cant go there cos they are strong enough already"'

No, but the club next in the mini draft should have first refusal, whether its Port or not. Just seems like this is totally circumventing the mini draft system we have in place here.

 

[Uncle Steve]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Magpies Poach Harwood

Thanks Macca, just following up a few points:

Originally posted by Macca19

2. Glenelg isnt compensated for this loss. Harwood chose to leave. Just like Warrior chose to leave mid last year and Danny Morgan chose to leave Port mid last year too. You cant get compensated.

Warrior quit Norwood and was immediately picked up by Glenelg. Glenelg paid Norwood a clearance fee for this. Maybe the analogy with Harwood should not apply, since Harwood is an AFL player - but IIRC Glenelg traded a player with South for Harwood, therefore I would expect some compensation be meted to Glenelg by Port Magpies.

3. Warrior did not change clubs mid year. Last year he chose to quite league football through personal issues. Eugene went to Stephen Williams this year and asked him for help to get back on the right track and for a second chance.

Warrior did change clubs mid year, from Norwood to Glenelg, and played 2 or 3 matches with Glenelg before opting out. IIRC Glenelg let him go to an amateur club (Glandore Eagles from memory) hoping to get him back this year.

Port last year asked the SANFL clubs if they would mind if their draft picks got sent to the Magpies so they could keep a proper eye on their development etc. Crows complained to the trees about this and said it was unfair, as did many SANFL clubs. Suddenly this year the Crows want Angwin and Handby to be placed at Glenelg. Funny how noone screamed murder at this. Bias, double standard and it is not on. If Port asked that, they woulda been screamed at again, but because it was the Crows, and the SANFL board basically is the crows, it was all fine and dandy. I dont hear any complaints about that.

With respect, this is not a good analogy. Glenelg and North would have had the first 2 picks in the draft. The Crows asked that North give it's pick to the Bays, in return for the Bays giving their pick to North in the next mini-draft. North and Glenelg both agreed. Nobody was dudded by this deal - North was the only party to "suffer" (for want of a better term); but North agreed to it and will be compensated in the next mini draft. Consider that while Glenelg received 2 picks, it had no choice as to who could be picked: the deal was that the Bays take Angwin and Handby.

Having an AFL team send all it's recruits to one team is an entirely different kettle of fish. There is no double standard here; the Crows once suggested that all it's recruits could be sent to Sturt, and this was met by howls of disapproval from all the other SANFL clubs, Port included. The Crows couldn't do it, nor could the Power. Seems like equal treatment to me. In fact, if the Crows voiced opposition to the Power's plan, it was probably only because the same luxury had already been denied to them!

How do you think the Magpies would react if Port Power wanted to send all it's recruits to (say) North Adelaide?

I understand you feeling disgruntled about this, but what can you do...whats done is done...plus glenelg have had a fair go thru handby and angwin being told to go there together.

Fair comment.

 

[eastaugh36]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magpies Poach Harwood

Originally posted by Uncle Steve
Thanks Macca, just following up a few points:


Warrior quit Norwood and was immediately picked up by Glenelg. Glenelg paid Norwood a clearance fee for this. Maybe the analogy with Harwood should not apply, since Harwood is an AFL player - but IIRC Glenelg traded a player with South for Harwood, therefore I would expect some compensation be meted to Glenelg by Port Magpies.

Warrior did change clubs mid year, from Norwood to Glenelg, and played 2 or 3 matches with Glenelg before opting out. IIRC Glenelg let him go to an amateur club (Glandore Eagles from memory) hoping to get him back this year.



With respect, this is not a good analogy. Glenelg and North would have had the first 2 picks in the draft. The Crows asked that North give it's pick to the Bays, in return for the Bays giving their pick to North in the next mini-draft. North and Glenelg both agreed. Nobody was dudded by this deal - North was the only party to "suffer" (for want of a better term); but North agreed to it and will be compensated in the next mini draft. Consider that while Glenelg received 2 picks, it had no choice as to who could be picked: the deal was that the Bays take Angwin and Handby.

Having an AFL team send all it's recruits to one team is an entirely different kettle of fish. There is no double standard here; the Crows once suggested that all it's recruits could be sent to Sturt, and this was met by howls of disapproval from all the other SANFL clubs, Port included. The Crows couldn't do it, nor could the Power. Seems like equal treatment to me. In fact, if the Crows voiced opposition to the Power's plan, it was probably only because the same luxury had already been denied to them!

How do you think the Magpies would react if Port Power wanted to send all it's recruits to (say) North Adelaide?



Fair comment.

Well lets agree on one thing, let the prick have it this saturday !

 

[Jars458]

Who really cares

Harwood is obviously very undisciplined and if he wants to play for the Magpies then so be it.


He will probably be de-listed by the Power at the end of the year and return to Victoria.

Good to See Brenton Honor trying to get some discipline down at the Bays that was obviously lacking in Mr McGuinesses time.

 

[Go South]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magpies Poach Harwood

Originally posted by eastaugh36


Well lets agree on one thing, let the prick have it this saturday !

Isn't it interesting, how you always seem to put an end to an -intelligent- argument, with one of your pathetic, one-line answers?

You obviously don't have the knowledge or brain power needed to commit yourself to an actual discussion on here.

 

[Go South]

Originally posted by eastaugh36


butt out of something you know nothing about dickhead !

Oh, that's certainly rich coming from you.

I suggest you take a look at some of the $hit you've written on here, and acknowledge how ill-informed, uneducated and simplistic your views really are.

That's when you actually put forward a view - most of the time you just post a pathetic one line response, such as the one above. I'm sure that one took a lot of creativity and intellect to come up with, Easty - you just continue to astound us with your brilliance

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Go South


Oh, that's certainly rich coming from you.

I suggest you take a look at some of the $hit you've written on here, and acknowledge how ill-informed, uneducated and simplistic your views really are.

That's when you actually put forward a view - most of the time you just post a pathetic one line response, such as the one above. I'm sure that one took a lot of creativity and intellect to come up with, Easty - you just continue to astound us with your brilliance

You spend so much time arguing with him, I think you must seceretly be mates or something.

You guys should meet and have a beer or a lemonade and compare pictures of your girl-friends.

You do have one thing in common - you both support SANFL teams that won't make the finals.

 

[eastaugh36]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magpies Poach Harwood

Originally posted by Go South


Isn't it interesting, how you always seem to put an end to an -intelligent- argument, with one of your pathetic, one-line answers?

You obviously don't have the knowledge or brain power needed to commit yourself to an actual discussion on here.

Excuse me but the matter had been discussed in alot of depth, I was putting a conclusion to it, that being that the prick deserves to get it on saturday ! Surely if it was your club involved which had a player carry on like that and throw a baby tantrum and quit you would feel the same.