Play Nice Majak Daw in hospital after jumping from the Bolte bridge

[Rise_up_Stiffy]

Yeah, was only a secondary teacher for 10 years and now have 2 kids in Primary school and have seen how the curriculum has changed there over the last 7 years. So many gimmicky programs brought in by teachers prioritising their own career advancements over student benefits.

I think it's more the educational sector trying to adapt to the rapid technological change that has come about in the past 5-10 years, and trying to cater to the needs of young students in a classroom setting. A lot of educational programs are trash but you can't blame teachers for trying new things to actually utilise the laptops that their parents are paying good money for. As a secondary teacher myself I try to utilise good tech wherever I can, but will absolutely not compromise opportunities to provide quality learning outcomes for students by being lazy and letting tech do the work. As a Chemistry teacher I will try to demo/organise a practical over a video every time as long as I can get access to the chemicals!

 

[Deliverance]

I think it's more the educational sector trying to adapt to the rapid technological change that has come about in the past 5-10 years, and trying to cater to the needs of young students in a classroom setting. A lot of educational programs are trash but you can't blame teachers for trying new things to actually utilise the laptops that their parents are paying good money for. As a secondary teacher myself I try to utilise good tech wherever I can, but will absolutely not compromise opportunities to provide quality learning outcomes for students by being lazy and letting tech do the work. As a Chemistry teacher I will try to demo/organise a practical over a video every time as long as I can get access to the chemicals!

Yep, agree. Good tech is the issue and loads of teachers put in tech for the sake of tech. And are therefore putting kids in front of screens unnecessarily. Evidence is starting to mount that tech is having negative effects in people's mental health. Young people especially. It's an area we should be treading very carefully in.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I think a club psychologist who is regularly engaging with players, asking how they are personally, and offering coping mechanisms etc would be more successful at supporting players than nothing. Mental illness can be a very lonely place. Someone taking regular interest may be enough to get a few players to open up.

Fair call.

What troubles me about Tom Downie having to step away from the game is it's obvious the club and his teammates were unaware if his struggle until he had to leave the field during a game

Whether a staff member or external organisation is better I'm not sure, and the culture of not showing weakness is clearly part of the problem. It isn't good enough though.

Was having anxiety a legitimate excuse to sit out? http://m.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2017-06-29/tom-downie-opens-up.mobileapp

 

[Muddiemoose]

That's a very narrow and old fashioned view of depression. No two cases are the same. I suffer from it but I'm not suicidal but my son who also suffers from it is. Life balance and chemical imbalance are only two of the many possible causes. None of us have any idea what was going through Majaks mind and general statements like the above do nothing to help other sufferers feel like they can talk about their problems

I got diognised with depression at the age of 19 witch peaked with a suicide attempt at the time I had a full time job, lived at home with my perants who were always supportive of me and had never used or taken illicit drugs and only drank socially witch I got under control with medication that peaked again after a cancer diagnosis at the age of 22 that I’m now have in remission for 6 years for

I still have dark times and I’m not affraid to admit it

Unfortunately until sombody either struggles with mental health issues personally or a close family dose people never really understand how complex and indiscriminate they can be

 

[jode]

I love to know if Asians countries have mental health issues like Melbourne ( or westerners do ???? )

They so poor but seem so happy!!!

 

[Frank Gallagher]

This thread is about Majak Daw. Nothing else. Take your agenda and **** off

Bit harsh.

 

[mxett]

Fair call.

What troubles me about Tom Downie having to step away from the game is it's obvious the club and his teammates were unaware if his struggle until he had to leave the field during a game

Whether a staff member or external organisation is better I'm not sure, and the culture of not showing weakness is clearly part of the problem. It isn't good enough though.

Was having anxiety a legitimate excuse to sit out? http://m.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2017-06-29/tom-downie-opens-up.mobileapp

I think a psychologist on an AFL list would be far more sensitive to players who were showing signs of mental illness. Not only are they trained for this that would be their purpose at the club. I also think players would be far more likely to confide in a trained professional than a club staffer.

It's a move in the right direction Imo. These players are in high pressure environments where their success or failure is played out in the public for our entertainment. Some personalities are destined to struggle

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I think a psychologist on an AFL list would be far more sensitive to players who were showing signs of mental illness. Not only are they trained for this that would be their purpose at the club. I also think players would be far more likely to confide in a trained professional than a club staffer.

It's a move in the right direction Imo. These players are in high pressure environments where their success or failure is played out in the public for our entertainment. Some personalities are destined to struggle

The only thing I'd say is the confidential bit. Some employers use external psych companies that can be contacted without notifying anyone internally.

There are welfare staff at clubs already that I'm sure can refer to specialists, just worried players might be reluctant to come forward.

Just a point of view.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The only thing I'd say is the confidential bit. Some employers use external psych companies that can be contacted without notifying anyone internally.

There are welfare staff at clubs already that I'm sure can refer to specialists, just worried players might be reluctant to come forward.

Just a point of view.

I agree, these young players are fearful that being open and honest may reflect badly on them in the future. We humans are adept at telling people what we think they want to hear.
Having a secondary provider of mental health is an excellent way to avoid those worries.
AFL clubs would hate to lose that insight they have even though the info would be guarded by good medical professionals.

 

[Andrew Mc]

Some employers use external psych companies that can be contacted without notifying anyone internally.

Yup, I know my employer offers this, as did the one before - suspect a good many of the medium -> large businesses in this country do. While I've been fortunate not to need it, it's good to know it's there if I do - perhaps just that helps in some way.

 

[ROOTA#6]

Yup, I know my employer offers this, as did the one before - suspect a good many of the medium -> large businesses in this country do. While I've been fortunate not to need it, it's good to know it's there if I do - perhaps just that helps in some way.

Most will offer EAP..Employee Assistance Program which is an external service and anonymous to the employee support for people who feel they need support. Not made aware enough in my view

 

[Kappa]

I love to know if Asians countries have mental health issues like Melbourne ( or westerners do ???? )

They so poor but seem so happy!!!

Southest Asia is the 2nd highest region for suicide rates, just below Europe and well ahead of the rest of the world.

Although figures from less developed countries are extremely inaccurate.

"They so poor but seem so happy!!!" Are you very young? What a ridiculous statement.

 

[Righteo]

I love to know if Asians countries have mental health issues like Melbourne ( or westerners do ???? )

They so poor but seem so happy!!!

Japan is globally renowned for their very high suicide rates

 

[John Who]

Depression is really a social issue just as much as it is an individual issue. By this, I mean everyone needs to be more aware/sensitive about what is mental illness to better give the right emotional support or conversations to a person affected by mental illness.

It is not only an issue AFL clubs must be more aware of, but others from peers, to family, to BigFooty members, to an individual's GP. We all can take the time to understand it better. For example:

A person who continually "whinges". Is he/she just a lazy fart? Or are they little signs of cries for help?

A person who is usually late for work/meetings. Is he/she just a lazy fart with a dysfunctional watch? Or is it a cue that they're emotionally disconnected from society?

 

[Rod Stroker]

What's the recommended use pattern? Is it something you'd normally take immediately before going to bed?

For Melatonin, yeah.

For pycnogenol, best to take it in the morning, as it helps to rid the fogginess in the head during the day that comes with jet lag.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Is the 'chemical imbalance in the brain' explanation of depression still in vogue?

I had heard that it was debunked decades ago by way of double-blind peer-reviewed trials.

That is, there are no such trials which suggest that the pills supposed to fix the 'imbalance' are any more effective than placebo.

Happy to be proven wrong on that one, though.

 

[dplggr47]

I love to know if Asians countries have mental health issues like Melbourne ( or westerners do ???? )
They so poor but seem so happy!!!

Mental health issues just aren't talked about as much in Asian culture. Not being able to talk about it and seek help is the main reason people resort to suicide, because they see no other way out. There's also still a massive stigma surrounding mental health. If someone takes a mental health break, they're often seen as ungrateful/undeserving and lazy. Are they lazy because of depressive symptoms, or just plain lazy. Some are capable of pushing through it in spite of their illness. Others cannot. If someone who suffers from anxiety constantly calls in sick for work, they're seen as unreliable. Well, they are unreliable, but who's responsibility does it become to help them? Instead of judging, we should be a bit more understanding. It's all fun and games to judge, until someone succeeds in suicide, but even then, there will be people out there calling that person selfish for leaving those behind. It's a sad situation and I just hope he can recover from this.

 

[Drexl 31]

Japan is globally renowned for their very high suicide rates

Correct. I understand that Korea has the highest rate of suicide in the world

 

[Present Not Past]

Probably needs to start working a casual job for minimum pay to get his head right.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Probably needs to start working a casual job for minimum pay to get his head right.

Thanks, Doc. What about the operation to fix his busted hips and pelvis, got an opinion on how to go about that?

 

[Present Not Past]

Thanks, Doc. What about the operation to fix his busted hips and pelvis, got an opinion on how to go about that?

Yep. It's called the Medicare waiting list. It's why so many people choose to come to Australia.
However, most of them don't throw themselves off bridges,

 

[Teen Wolf]

Yep. It's called the Medicare waiting list. It's why so many people choose to come to Australia.

Oh you're an expert in immigration, too!

However, most of them don't throw themselves off bridges,

And apparently nobody would do that if we all had s**t-paying jobs. Must say, I've never heard that one before.

To return the favour, here's some advice you've obviously never heard before: Ssssshhhhhut up.

 

[Brick Loosener]

I love to know if Asians countries have mental health issues like Melbourne ( or westerners do ???? )

They so poor but seem so happy!!!

Melbourne supporters just watch Gilmour Girls or go to the snow.

 

[Monkey King]

Southest Asia is the 2nd highest region for suicide rates, just below Europe and well ahead of the rest of the world.

WHO regions are administrative, not geographical. SE Asian countries with low suicide rates, like Cambodia or the Phillipines, are not included in that WHO region; while sub-continental Asian countries with high suicide rates, like Sri Lanka and India, are included. Further, the SE Asian region also comprises the smallest number of countries, which means the data can be more easily skewed by one or two outliers.

For country-by-country estimates ...

http://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDE

 

[peternorth]

I do hope that this worthy discussion in society about mental health isn’t a knee jerk reaction to this occurrence. Hope come round one this is still in the spotlight.


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