Make a play at Judd?

[rizzo]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

Corey and our first rounder.

 

[Whispers]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

We won't get Judd, I don't want Judd, Corey is staying and what a backhander that would be to a club B & F who has been loyal to the club after both WC and Freo tried to lure him back to WA the first time he was out of contract but denied the offer because he wanted to have success with Geelong.

Talking about Judd coming to Geelong is depressing... can we kill this thread.

 

[jim boy]

Without trying to sound arrogant, but we are as good as we can be within the confines of the salary cap. If we were to get Judd, we would have to give up in other areas

 

[Rosella]

Without trying to sound arrogant, but we are as good as we can be within the confines of the salary cap. If we were to get Judd, we would have to give up in other areas

Not really arrogant, I don't think. These big trades cost a heap and we'd let go someone we'd prefer to keep. There's no guarantees with Judd, anyway. I'm not sure that trading away a whole heap of players/picks for one marquee player is worth it.

Look at what we have done. We got 4 players for Colbert, 2 of them we still have, and we got away with the Ottens deal pretty cheaply. I don't think we can pull it off again.

He wants to be in Melbourne, so he probably wouldn't consider us anyway.

 

[Rosella]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

We won't get Judd, I don't want Judd, Corey is staying and what a backhander that would be to a club B & F who has been loyal to the club after both WC and Freo tried to lure him back to WA the first time he was out of contract but denied the offer because he wanted to have success with Geelong.

Talking about Judd coming to Geelong is depressing... can we kill this thread.

Amen! Who says he wants to go back to WA anyway.

 

[jim boy]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

There is opportunity here, obviously we wouldn't end up with Judd, but whoever is may need something from us which they will have to pay the odds for. Eg Prismall for a top 5 pick.

 

[CF]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

Honestly I don't think the Eagles need another midfielder to replace Judd. What they really need is KP Forward. I don't think we need Judd in our midfield either. But I agree with JB, we could get involved in a 3 way deal and rangle ourselves a top 10 pick. That would be a good result. Bomber has already said we wont have the Salary cap room for a player like Judd.

 

[Budda 230]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

I'd love to have Juddy but it's just not realistic.

 

[Ling Sting]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

Carlton are front runners. They have a maligned but quality power forward like Fev that could be used to swap.

 

[GeeCat]

Some of my thoughts:

1. To quote an oft-used statement by clubs, "it would be irresponsible of us to not, at the very least, inquire". Those who actually suggest that we don't need Chris Judd the player are being stupid. The issue is whether he's worth what we'd have to give up.

2. The injury concerns don't really bother me, from what I understand of them (ie they're not career-threatening).

3. The public reasoning is that of family. That may be true, but I wouldn't be surprised (actually, I'm willing to bet) that the Cousins fracas and other Eagles issues, to go with the WC culture, played their bit.

4. WC will over-demand, clubs will under-offer, and ultimately one club will over-pay. Why? Because he's a superstar. This is why true superstars rarely, if ever, get traded in the modern game.

5. WC will bargain hard, and rightly so. People are talking about things like a first rounder and a good young player (and here, people are just throwing up names like Josh Kennedy and Paul Bower) to get Chris Judd. That ain't going to happen. Brad Ottens/Nathan Thompson cost 2 first rounders (albeit in the teens), Nathan Brown cost Pick 6, Chris Judd will almost certainly demand alot more (and this is where the issue of how much a club will have to give up is, in the end, worth what they're getting in return - he's going to be eating into salary, player stocks [both young and established], and potential future assets [ie draft picks]).

6. On our end, aside from the obvious constraints of location (they say Victoria, but realistically, it's Melbourne [although, we can afford him the Ottens-type limo treatment, right? ), salary (we're operating close to 100%, I believe), and the issue of cost vs return (we're going to have to give up 2-3 good/potentially good players [through a mixture of established guys, young guys, and draft picks]), another big issue I see is that of chemistry. It's immeasurable, but it's an element of our club that's playing a big part on the way we perform out there on the field. Moloney generated some fuss, we can only imagine what would be created to move Judd down the highway.

 

[sarah.13]

^^^^
In brief "PASS".

 

[DanA]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

Just to clarify. I wasn't saying we will end up with Judd. Rather that a Geelong player could end up at Westcoast as part of a 3 way (were we get picks). This would free up salary cap space to hold on to 9 AA players.

 

[Bryceson]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

Gardiner for Judd straight swap??

 

[rizzo]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

Carlton are front runners. They have a maligned but quality power forward like Fev that could be used to swap.

Teams like Geelong and Collingwood would be fronter runners to mate. Who says that Judd wants to go to a club with no success in the foreseeable future?

Maybe the lure of Geelong could entice judd to be paid significantly less, in order to be part of a victorian power house.

 

[Ling Sting]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

Teams like Geelong and Collingwood would be fronter runners to mate. Who says that Judd wants to go to a club with no success in the foreseeable future?

Maybe the lure of Geelong could entice judd to be paid significantly less, in order to be part of a victorian power house.

Collingwood, Carlton and possibly Essendon would be miles ahead of any bid we could table. I'm sure he'd prefer to be melbourne based also.

What we have or more likely what we'd be willing to give up wouldn't be enough for what the Eagles would ask. It's not a bad thing that we won't get Judd, I see it as a testiment to the balance and depth of our current list.

 

[hobart cat]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

my left testicle.

 

[GeeCat]

^^^^
In brief "PASS".

Well, I'd begin anything with reference back to my first point of at least inquiring, but realistically, you wouldn't think we'd be after him/he'd be after us. Not sure if that qualifies as a 'pass on my end.

 

[Turbocat]

It seems the fixture and fittings at the Lexus centre are more like the level he's accustom too , just a question where do our facilities rate against all the Vic clubs , one would hope there right up there.

I still believe that the Coasters would love to have 5 picks in the top25 in a year where the WA U18 side was dominant. To make that happen theres going to be more trades with other valued players to get those picks. I'm not sure if we would ant to get involved in that but theres probably more chance of us swapping our R1 pick for the right player than us going after Judd.

 

[Duskfire]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

If we get rid of Corey, I will despise whoever makes that decision. He has been among our finest players for so many years now, and to ditch him when the Cats have a chance for success would be beyond human. I don't care if it would get a better player in return; there is such thing as loyalty and team synergy and Corey fits in well with everyone.

We don't need Judd. We have enough midfielders, its hard enough for the likes of Prismall to get a game as it is. With Judd in, it would be near impossible.

 

[hinders]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

ablett and bartel plus a first round pick

 

[SriLankanCat]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

Judd is a gun but i woudlnt sacrifice 2 or 3 good players fior him. DOnt forget, we have had a stellar year, how could we possibly afford Judd, Ablett, S Johnson, Bartel etc. etc. Especially if we wanna build a dynasty.

We dont need a Judd type player.
Would love to see him play for the Dees, the club he supported as a lad

 

[Gazzajr is god]

As much as I would love him (and every club would be better off with him) we wont go after him as he would cost 1 mill and we wouldnt have what west coast would want. And thats very early draft choices and quality forwards who we would be willing to part with.

Dont be surprised if its Melbourne and Travis Johnstone and/or Robbo plus there first pick.

As for Carlton, I think Fev will stay if it means Judd is coming as he is screaming to have someone with consistant quality hitting him on the chest.
For Carlton to get him, they may have to put up Kennedy, pick number 3 and Lance maybe.

Any Judd deal may involve a 3 way.

I have thought a few times this year that what ever happens this year, we need to keep recycling someone who is in our top 10 to continue to get high draft picks. Thats how Port have done it. (they ditched Pickett for melbournes 1st round selection.#13. Whos laughing out of that deal)

And its the reason we havent had success sooner as we have continued to be happy to get number 8-10 instead of taking the risk and offloading someone to get pick number 3-4 .

As much as I like Joel Corey, if it means we can get say number 5 instead of just getting pick 18 then I would be all for it.
And now seeing Brynes has had some game time, it could boost his value to maybe a round 3.
I would still like to persist with Tenace.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Re: What would you give for Judd?

ablett and bartel plus a first round pick

Well at the moment Ablett is better than Judd, I would not trade Ablett for Judd (not that that would ever happen anyway) but be prepared to lose him for nothing with that kind of attitude.

There's no way we will get Judd, he'll join Nick Stevens in the brain explosion category of leaving a successful club for a rabble. Most likely to end up at Carlton or Richmond I think. Besides we really don't need, don't get me wrong he is brilliant, but we really have nothing to offer West Coast (which we'd really be willing to offer) that West Coast would accept. Someone they honestly would probably take as a straight swap for Judd is Hawkins - but absolutely no chance of that happening

 

[GeeCat]

The only reason I can see for people wanting to trade guys like Smithy right now, for the sake of things, is in the name of salary. Because really, I can't quite understand the fascination with getting involved in trades just for the sake of things, let alone trading of our better players for what would be just a shot at the lottery.

And if the only reason we'd be moving someone of the calibre of Corey is future considerations of the salary cap, then I reckon such reasoning is not good enough in any case. Okay, the AA jumper (his, the others, and everyone elses upping market prices after '07) may raise his value, but I'd much rather we deal with whatever problem some people foresee when that problem comes. It's not proactive, and some may even argue it's not 'smart' management (yet strangely enough, I'd hardly call irrational trade movements such as this 'rational' and 'smart' either..), but forgive me for thinking that the idea of trading one of our best midfielders with such haste and shaky reasoning is pretty crumby itself.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Geelong & Judd?

Should Geelong go after Judd? If so,who are you prepared to trade for him?

In my opinion, I don't think that we have room in our salary cap, and I don't want to mess with a winning team. We will have enough trouble trying to keep the team we have. We should try to have success with who we have while we can.