Malburn.........Australias Premier city

[Port Adelaide 1870]

I hate leaving the place...It is stunning, originally built on the gold of Victorias Gold fields and now sustained by extracting profit from Adelaide, Perth, Brisbane, TASMANIA, and to a lesser extent NSW.

Malburn...as the Melbourne people call it. is ....well what Adelaide will be in 100 years time..except for the predominance of buildings built on Gold...Melbourne has an elegance that Sydney strives for...Sydney is big, brash, bright...it is Glitzy, it is a tart....ahhhhh , but Melbourne.. Well she is big, real big....with endless two storey terraces and old suburbs, but no glitz... dont get me wrong.Melbourne tries for the Glitz, but she cant match it with the shlock of Sydney.

All Melbourne does is show us how an elegant city like Adelaide can end up if it reaches a population of 3 million people.

Melbourne is my kind of town.......but after visiting..Collingwood, Carlton, Hawthorn, Essendon, Geelong football clubs, it also shows me how recent the Phenomenan of AFL football ( perceived as some great new dominating Victorian league is )

These clubs dont really acknowledge the history of the VFL as they were for nearly a 100 years . they only call themselves AFL clubs and they show in their records that records set in previous decades werent VFL records but the new AFL league records.........

For example Gordon Coventry xxxx AFL goals kicked ????????????

Nahh. Derrr..!!!!!!!!!

they are actually telling us that they were setting records of a national significance in a local league 50 years ago !!!!!!!!

well it was interesting....

I love Melbourne....

Just for interests sake, their were several WA people on the MCG tour as we were going through and they all said ...." look what these people are doing with our money and our leagues...." I asked what do you mean ? they replied " look at that stand ( the Great Southern Stand ) it represents the demise of SANFL and WAFL and the transferance of profit from our cities to here !!!!!!!!"

Very Prophetic, or should I say very perceptive !!!


PA1870

 

[Carey_is_King]

A couple of minor corrections, if I may.

Adelaide is not an elegant city, it is an elegant country town.

Melbourne is not big, except if compared to Adelaide. Melbourne is a medium sized city at best.

Apart from that, your observations of Melbourne as elegant and Sydney as "tarty" are spot on in my opinion.

As for the VFL/AFL stuff, I will leave that alone.

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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[Mobbs]

Regards the size of Melbourne, I found it quite a surprise when my missus, who had previously lived in San Francisco, told me once that she found Melbourne 'overwhelming' as a city.

I would have though Cisco had a population of about seven hundred trillion.

 

[AlfAndrews]

Malburn's rooly grouse ... dead set. I'd be spewin' if I 'ad to go back to Adderlaid.

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**floreat pica**

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by AlfAndrews:
Malburn's rooly grouse ... dead set. I'd be spewin' if I 'ad to go back to Adderlaid.

Alf ................................. that's spot on !!!!!

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

Melbourne is actually one of the largest cities in the world in terms of the amount of land it covers.

Much, much bigger than European cities with greater populations, Melbourne sprawls - and sprawls - and sprawls !

PA1870's comments about Melbourne being elegant and Sydney being full of schlock - absolutely goddam dead right - But who is interested in 'elegance' when the sun is sparkling off the harbour, the fish are biting and the surf beckons ?

I love both cities for different reasons. I think its great that there are contrasts between the two that creates a natural tension and rivalry between them that the whole of Australia benefits from. I think Australia is very lucky to have two big metropolis' that are a study in contrasts.

As for the provincial outposts

well I only really know about Adelaide and all I can say is that after living there for 13 years I have no wish ever to return !

There gets a stage in ones life when you out-grow things, and I have most definitely ot-grown Adelaide !

Brisbane ? - not for me, a swamp in a River Bend, too hot, too many white shoes, too many red necks.

Gold Coast - see above, at least its on the coast, terrible architecture.

Cairns - My favourite Northern city by miles, the only place in the tropics I could seriously consider living in.

Darwin - Cannot hold my alcohol well enough to seriously consider living in the NT !

Tweed/Byron/Grafton/Coffs - A land of contrasts, weave baskets with the hippies in Byron or swap racist jokes with the Hansonites at Coffs RSL !

Newcastle - Ahhhh the Steel City (not anymore though) The best city beaches anywhere in the world. Place suffers from far too much Rugby League

Wollongong - a dump

Canberra - Wierd, planned cities make the vistor feel like he is on another planet !

Albury/Wodonga - "yay ! only 300kms to Melbourne and its all on the Freeway !"

Geelong - see Wollongong above

Hobart - Like most people : "if I could get a job down there I would move there tomorrow"

Perth - never been there but my facist red-neck of a big sister has recently moved there and she loves it - 'nuff said !

cheers

 

[AlfAndrews]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel:

Canberra - Wierd, planned cities make the vistor feel like he is on another planet !

Or as one observer once observed:

A good sheep paddock, ruined.



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[Port Adelaide 1870]

BSA,

Schlock can be good........Especially when the fish are biting.!!!!!!

Sydney is a gorgeous city too.

Adelaide, well, poor Adelaide......It suffers essentially from being "piggy in the middle "

Not far enough away from Melbourne to run its own affairs, no state population to service, like Vic or NSW or QLD for that matter.
A state that is essentially barren with few lucrative natural resources.
The city of Adelaide has stagnated, thru lack of population in the rest of SA.
Its growth is tied to the prosperity of the outback of SA...and there is none, so therefore future growth is bleak.


Big business that once had its home in Adelaide saw this many years ago, starting in the early 1960's. The relocation trend to Sydney and Malburn began in earnest in the Mid 70's.

Adelaide is now a skeleton. running on the proverbial oily rag.

It no longer has the Plethora of self made Millionaires and Family fortunes made on the establishment of SA many years ago... They have all sold out or left.

It now lurches from one painful crisis to another....


All its major assets sold...an inability to even remotely compete with Malburn on a financial level ( where decades ago there was sufficient wealth here to at least compete on some levels...it has all gone )

Adelaide is a welfare state. The City of warehouses and retail stores.


A profit extraction centre for Malburn and Sydney.


How painful...

PA1870

 

[Darky]

PA 1870,

I work for a company in the transport industry, and our clients are mostly automotive (or auto parts) companies, all of which have very strong presences in SA.
Some of our clients have also recently relocated their head offices from Melbourne to Adelaide. Do you think this indicates possible growth, or is it simply a case of our clients going against the current tend?

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Other bands play, Manowar KILL !!!!!!!!!

 

[Carey_is_King]

It's an indication of small companies succumbing to financial incentives and subsidies to relocate. The sign of a desperate government trying to prevent Adelaide from becoming another Launceston.

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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[The Dutchman!]

Must say I am very impressed...

Openned this thread expecting it to be a tired old hack at beautiful victorian/edwardian architecture being buggered by casino culture... instead found genuine affection and appreciation... so PA1870 hat's off mate.

I'll keep my classic Paul Kelly lines "all the king's horses, all the king's men - couldn't drag me... back again... Adel etc" for another time. Actually, I think the Adelaide hills/ wine district are both fantastic - as it the Adelaide oval...

 

[Sydneyfan]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel:


Darwin - Cannot hold my alcohol well enough to seriously consider living in the NT !

Tweed/Byron/Grafton/Coffs - A land of contrasts, weave baskets with the hippies in Byron or swap racist jokes with the Hansonites at Coffs RSL !

Newcastle - Ahhhh the Steel City (not anymore though) The best city beaches anywhere in the world. Place suffers from far too much Rugby League


cheers

BSA, you were pretty much spot-on with all those comments, especially the ones above. I visited Darwin a while back and liked it up there but work does seem to play second fiidle to beer (not that I complain though).
The NSW North Coast is indeed a land of contrasts whether it be ageing hippies or redneck racists.
Newcastle's nice but too obsessed with the Newcastle Kinights and Rugby League, good beaches.
Wollongong has got nice beaches but no city centre to speak of and it's natural beauty (where the big escarpment meets the sea) is diminished by all the heavy industry there.

 

[eastaugh36]

bugger the financial side, adelaide is way better than melbourne, easier to get around in, cleaner,not as many scumbags,its not far to get from the city to the hills or the suburbs, and nothing beats glenelg, plus melbourne is a cold prick of a place mainly, and you can get a bigger better house near a better city in adelaide, instead of a little unit near a stinking city in melbourne !
its true !

 

[Sydneyfan]

Sydney is indeed a tart, the type of tart that once you get lured by her and her beauty, you keep coming back for more. Melbourne is more gentle and subtly lures you to her.

Originally posted by Sydneyfan:

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel:


Darwin - Cannot hold my alcohol well enough to seriously consider living in the NT !

Tweed/Byron/Grafton/Coffs - A land of contrasts, weave baskets with the hippies in Byron or swap racist jokes with the Hansonites at Coffs RSL !

Newcastle - Ahhhh the Steel City (not anymore though) The best city beaches anywhere in the world. Place suffers from far too much Rugby League


cheers

BSA, you were pretty much spot-on with all those comments, especially the ones above. I visited Darwin a while back and liked it up there but work does seem to play second fiidle to beer (not that I complain though).
The NSW North Coast is indeed a land of contrasts whether it be ageing hippies or redneck racists.
Newcastle's nice but too obsessed with the Newcastle Knights and Rugby League, good beaches.
Wollongong has got nice beaches but no city centre to speak of and it's natural beauty (where the big escarpment meets the sea) is diminished by all the heavy industry there.

 

[Sydneyfan]

Give up eastaugh, your giving everyone the shits. It's good that you love your city and are proud to live there. But everyone is tired of your usual crap where you bag Melbourne and praise Adelaide. If you really thing something is good, you tell people and if they don't agree, you get on with your life. It seems like you are constantly seeking verification that Adelaide is the greatest place on Earth, for you it is, but for many it is not. So, stop all this pissweak Adelaide's better than Melbourne, it's getting boring.

 

[Sydneyfan]

Give up eastaugh, your giving everyone the shits. It's good that you love your city and are proud to live there. But everyone is tired of your usual crap where you bag Melbourne and praise Adelaide. If you really thing something is good, you tell people and if they don't agree, you get on with your life. It seems like you are constantly seeking verification that Adelaide is the greatest place on Earth, for you it is, but for many it is not. So, stop all this pissweak Adelaide's better than Melbourne shite, it's getting boring.

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Darky:
PA 1870,

I work for a company in the transport industry, and our clients are mostly automotive (or auto parts) companies, all of which have very strong presences in SA.
Some of our clients have also recently relocated their head offices from Melbourne to Adelaide. Do you think this indicates possible growth, or is it simply a case of our clients going against the current tend?


Yes......

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Carey_is_King:
It's an indication of small companies succumbing to financial incentives and subsidies to relocate. The sign of a desperate government trying to prevent Adelaide from becoming another Launceston.

Painful......but true .

 

[CURVE]

Canberra has to be a great place...John Howards doesn't want to live here.

Yippee

 

[Jethro Q Walrustitty]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870:
Malburn...as the Melbourne people call it.

Bzzzzzt!

We say Melb'n.

 

[Frodo]

My 2 cents worth

Firstly, we are all going to barrack for our own towns that is obvious.

Brisbane/Gold Coast

Nice place, loveley river and Goldcoast is fun with great beaches. A short drive to rainforest that is good. Excellent Mud crab.

Sydney

I love Manley and the Northern Beaches. Darling Harbour is Great and the Bridge/opera house is the international picture of Australia. Great boat rides and some ecellent hotels on the rocks. Eastern suburbs suck but they have a good train service. Campbelltown is gross but the blue mountains are fantastic and a short drive from Sydney. Worst point is the amount of bloodsucking pokie machine clubs.

Melbun

Lygon Street great for food. Brighton and coast around there is good. City is a dump. Trams need sending back to the 20th century. MCG is great. Getting out north and East a few kilometres gets you into lovely places. Mt Donna Buan was first place I picked up snow in Australia. Lilydale is a great base to see some good countryside.
New exhibition centre is very good.
New freeway from airport to exhibition centre has weird colored posts to make it ornamental and a bridge/tunnel copied from the outrun game. Too many strikes that sod people about.

Adelaide

Pretty City. Loveley river walks. Close to Barossa with great wine. Pie Floaters...yuk.
Pretty dull and boring. Has a suburb called 'Happy Valley'

Casino really sucks in the train station.

Canberra
Never been there, don't want to. Bulldoze it down and relocate parliament to somewhere people want to live!

Perth
Small pretty town that unfortunately is getting bigger. No traffic problems. Relaxing lifestyle. Great if you are the outdoor type who likes walking, sports,surfing etc and don't mind the risk of being eaten by a shark. Best restaraunts in the world. has a breeze that you can love and hate depending on weather. Weather fantastic. Superb Casino. Only place you will see pokies. Fremantle is a great alfresco dining area. Not far to vineyards.
Cleanest city in the world. Home of the greatest club in AFL history

But these things always change. Australia is growing and in particular Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide will change rapidly. Whether or not for the better I don't know.

 

[eastaugh36]

canberra is good, its clean and there arent many scumbags around, the conlusion to all this is - adelaide,perth and canberra all are great citis due to the cleanliness,few scumbags and ease to get around as well as the pretty cities that they are ! I HAVE SPOKEN !

 

[CURVE]

What the F***!!!

Someone else sticking up for Canberra.

If Easty likes Canberra, it MUST be the greatest place on Earth.

[This message has been edited by DEVO (edited 05 January 2001).]

 

[Stealth bomber]

After spending time in both Sydney and Canberra I have to say I don't like either one of them half as much as I like Melbourne.

Sydney seems a lot more superficial and schizophrenic in nature; you go from one suburb to the next and feel like you've gone to another planet. I have seen all the touristy stuff and it is wonderful to look at; but I didn't care for the layout of the city itself that much. It was really hard to get around.

Canberra is probably the most American looking city I've seen in Australia and that's both good and bad. I generally liked how green everything was; made me feel a bit more at home. But the place just seems way too sterile and "big brother"-ish.

 

[CURVE]

Everybody picks on Canberra because it's full of Politicians, but you morons must know that only four of them actually live in Canberra and one of them is a real honey (Kate Lundy can represent me anytime). About 60 of these politicians live in Melbourne, another 60 in Sydney, and around 30 to 40 from Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane.

Canberra is the best city in Australia to live, but would be even better, if you morons would stop sending your dreggs over here.

DEVO

P.S I use the term morons, because that is the best way to describe people who were not educated in Canberra, and therefore not educated.