Malcolm Turnbull - How long?

[Maggie5]

I have no problems with welfare or public spending. It is the high levels of welfare and public waste, I mean spending, that is breaking this country.

Spending is not the problem it is revenue!
Jobson Growth is still looking for work.

 

[Pessimistic]

If COALition is concerned with propriety let's have a federal ibac or icac like in nsw.

The one where the COALition was all fired up about. Then as more and more Libs got dragged in. They went quiet
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THE Government today again launched a savage personal attack on Bill Shorten after a poll indicated its previous character assault had wounded the Opposition Leader.

Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne came close to accusing Mr Shorten of a form of corruption as he foreshadowed Government legislation based on findings of the Trade Union Royal Commission.

Mr Shorten has consistently denied any wrongdoing, and after a lengthy appearance by him, the royal commission made no adverse findings against him.

 

[Maggie5]

Given this Omnibus Bill, think that the LNP maybe revisiting Abbott's first budget.
It will be all about fairness again, let's hit the socially disadvantaged first then slowly work up.

 

[Pessimistic]

ACA (I know) last night said the kiwis are laughing at us - everyone get the pension - not means tested.

Its a burden on the purse but they say that's better than paying out all sorts of tax lurks and perks wrapped up in superannuation over here - basically a big tax break for fat cats

 

[Number37]

Given this Omnibus Bill, think that the LNP maybe revisiting Abbott's first budget.
It will be all about fairness again, let's hit the socially disadvantaged first then slowly work up.

'Trickle up' budget repair?

 

[Pessimistic]

on a practical level. they'll know if they target corporates, trusts or high value individuals they will employ accountants to shift the breaks elsewhere.

Targetting the unfortunates who have little wriggle room is seen as much easier, doesnt make it right though

 

[VineyIsLORD]

on a practical level. they'll know if they target corporates, trusts or high value individuals they will employ accountants to shift the breaks elsewhere.

Targetting the unfortunates who have little wriggle room is seen as much easier, doesnt make it right though

Disagree.

They wont target the rich because the rich are their backers.

This is class warfare.

 

[JackOutback]

So sick of hearing Turnbull and co. go on about unions funding Labor as some sort of evil while apparently corporations funding the Libs is democracy in action. Unions have Australian interests at heart far more than multinational corporations.

 

[Lebbo73]

So sick of hearing Turnbull and co. go on about unions funding Labor as some sort of evil while apparently corporations funding the Libs is democracy in action. Unions have Australian interests at heart far more than multinational corporations.

No. He is saying that if Unions can fund Labor for millions, then the Liberal Party is at a major disadvantage combating this if they cannot receive any funding. If the ALP receives $50m for election advertising and the Libs get $20m, it is hard for the Libs to compete on equal footing.

 

[JackOutback]

No. He is saying that if Unions can fund Labor for millions, then the Liberal Party is at a major disadvantage combating this if they cannot receive any funding. If the ALP receives $50m for election advertising and the Libs get $20m, it is hard for the Libs to compete on equal footing.

The Libs have traditionally been better funded than Labor. There are more multimillion and multibillion-dollar companies than there are unions; if they aren't willing to donate to his s**t show, maybe he should have a think about why. Businesses always pull back funding if they think a party is in danger of losing office.

 

[Lebbo73]

The Libs have traditionally been better funded than Labor. There are more multimillion and multibillion-dollar companies than there are unions; if they aren't willing to donate to his s**t show, maybe he should have a think about why. Businesses always pull back funding if they think a party is in danger of losing office.

This blinkered post deserves no further response.

 

[JackOutback]

This blinkered post deserves no further response.

Feel free to have a little look at election expenditure (and that's not even accounting for campaigns against the carbon tax or mining tax, which were clearly politically motivated). The ALP became more business friendly under Hawke and Keating but that's what brought them up to an equal footing. The idea that the poor beggars of the Liberal Party are being overwhelmed by the stinking rich ALP is laughable.

 

[NSWCROW]

Feel free to have a little look at election expenditure (and that's not even accounting for campaigns against the carbon tax or mining tax, which were clearly politically motivated). The ALP became more business friendly under Hawke and Keating but that's what brought them up to an equal footing. The idea that the poor beggars of the Liberal Party are being overwhelmed by the stinking rich ALP is laughable.

Workers RIGHTS ??????
You mean for the plebs ?????

We can't have that Jack.




inb4 " THEY LIVE LIKE KINGS DOE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!".................................................

 

[Benny78]

I don't collect any welfare, Maggie. It was crazy that I was eligible beforehand anyway. Absolutely ridiculous that a family with 3 dependent children can earn $120k annually and receive welfare.

Nothing wrong with taking your tax back friend. 120k thesedays combined income with a family of 5 isn't enough to buy that dream car you want thesedays. If you pay 30-40k in tax start reclaiming it through family tax benefits, followed by super concessions and finally negative gearing.

Look at the companies who earn billions of our nations consumers yet don't pay a cent in tax. Exxon Mobil, Energy Australia etc.

 

[Pessimistic]

Last state election it was wall to wall lib advertising I think I saw one alp billboard

South Yarra which ended up a three way looked like the us red white and blue everywhere

 

[GreyCrow]

Interesting article on Wiki though it seems out of date

The Australian Labor Party is the main beneficiary of trade union affiliation fees, special levies and donations. The Labor Party received $49.68 million from trade unions in 2004/05. Critics have accused the unions of buying seats at ALP state conferences.[7] In 2001/02, money from trade unions amounted to 11.85% of the Labor Party's income.[2]

In 2004–2005, the Labor Party raised $64.8 million from both the corporate sector and public funding, while the Liberal Party raised over $66 million.[2] Most of the large corporate donors conduct business in an area greatly affected by government policy, or are likely to benefit from government contracts.[3]

From the ABC site on the 2016 Election spend

The Liberal Party outspent Labor in the major metropolitan TV markets, according to estimates put together by ad analytics company Ebiquity.

 

[Lebbo73]

Nothing wrong with taking your tax back friend. 120k thesedays combined income with a family of 5 isn't enough to buy that dream car you want thesedays. If you pay 30-40k in tax start reclaiming it through family tax benefits, followed by super concessions and finally negative gearing.

Look at the companies who earn billions of our nations consumers yet don't pay a cent in tax. Exxon Mobil, Energy Australia etc.

Why should Exxon Mobil pay tax? Exxon Mobil doesn't operate in Australia.

 

[GreyCrow]

Why should Exxon Mobil pay tax? Exxon Mobil doesn't operate in Australia.

Do Exxon sell product here , through third parties?

 

[Lebbo73]

Do Exxon sell product here , through third parties?

Why does that matter? It is made in the US predominantly and imported from Singapore into Australia by independent companies. These companies pay tax in Australia on Mobil lubricants that they sold. Mobil pays tax in Singapore.

 

[GreyCrow]

Why does that matter? It is made in the US predominantly and imported from Singapore into Australia by independent companies. These companies pay tax in Australia on Mobil lubricants that they sold. Mobil pays tax in Singapore.

Do any profits return to Exxon-Mobil?

 

[Lebbo73]

Do any profits return to Exxon-Mobil?

No
Edited to say that I don't know the arrangement that Mobil has with 7eleven service stations. However, other companies that have the distributor rights to Mobil lubricants in each State & Territories buy off Mobil direct.

 

[GreyCrow]

No

Then I agree

 

[funk44]

Interesting article on Wiki though it seems out of date

The Australian Labor Party is the main beneficiary of trade union affiliation fees, special levies and donations. The Labor Party received $49.68 million from trade unions in 2004/05. Critics have accused the unions of buying seats at ALP state conferences.[7] In 2001/02, money from trade unions amounted to 11.85% of the Labor Party's income.[2]

In 2004–2005, the Labor Party raised $64.8 million from both the corporate sector and public funding, while the Liberal Party raised over $66 million.[2] Most of the large corporate donors conduct business in an area greatly affected by government policy, or are likely to benefit from government contracts.[3]

From the ABC site on the 2016 Election spend

The Liberal Party outspent Labor in the major metropolitan TV markets, according to estimates put together by ad analytics company Ebiquity.

 

[Maggie5]

Malcolm giving us a lesson of preferential voting.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ut&utm_term=214220&subid=18935290&CMP=ema_632

Malcolm Turnbull says entering a preference deal with One Nation doesn’t mean the Liberal party supports One Nation...
“But just because preferences are directed to a party doesn’t mean that you support them – quite the contrary.”
Turnbull told Bloomberg TV on Tuesday that preference allocations were political calculations designed to maximise the performance of the Liberal party, not value judgments.


His comments come as the latest Guardian Essential poll says 38% of people disapprove of the deal between the Liberal party and One Nation in WA, while 29% approve. But, among Liberal voters, 43% approved of the arrangement and 25% disapproved.

 

[NSWCROW]

Malcolm Turnbull says entering a preference deal with One Nation doesn’t mean the Liberal party supports One Nation...
“But just because preferences are directed to a party doesn’t mean that you support them – quite the contrary.”
Turnbull told Bloomberg TV on Tuesday that preference allocations were political calculations designed to maximise the performance of the Liberal party, not value judgments.

Well bugger me , and all this time i thought the opposite..........


AND MOST OF THESE DICKHEADS WENT TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!