Malcolm Turnbull - How long?

[Ice-Wolf]

Neither Turnbull not dutton have the political nous of Keating, even though one has a slight resemblance

Yeah but that resemblance is of Keating if he'd had a lobotomy or suffered serious brain trauma.

 

[Gough]

When the conservative choice for leader of the Liberal Party is Peter Dutton, they must realise they are pushing s**t uphill, not only that but so many of their policies are in contrast to the will of the people on things like housing affordability, gay marriage, and climate change. They can keep telling us that it's all business as normal, that they are in control of things, and but Labor, but the reality is that whoever is leader at the nest election is going to lead them to a crushing defeat which is what happens when a government is as far out of touch as these guys are.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

I have no idea who the people in that cartoon are.
Maybe that is the point ias then you don't have work out what the thought bubbles are trying to say.

Cory Bernardi, Gillian Triggs, * if I know who the 3rd is maybe Penny Wong? He seems to just go stereotypical cariciature when doing anyone of a different race. Still for a Bill Leak recognising 2 out of 3 without him writing the names on them is pretty good.

EDIT: just had a better look and the first one is ******* Hastie and only because I had a look at the name tag on the uniform.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

This super for deposit debate is insane.

I dont think there has ever been a party this publicly fractured.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

This super for deposit debate is insane.

I dont think there has ever been a party this publicly fractured.

Yeah and the worst part is that the treasurer is clearly ******* wrong and just about everyone is saying it.

 

[Showbags]

Yeah and the worst part is that the treasurer is clearly ******* wrong and just about everyone is saying it.

Its ridiculous. The governments whole line of attack on Labor's proposed changes to negative gearing and capital gains was that Labor's policy doesnt address the supply problems and only addresses demand.

Then what do the geniuses do? Put forward an idea that doesnt address supply, and further fuels demand.

 

[NSWCROW]

When the conservative choice for leader of the Liberal Party is Peter Dutton, they must realise they are pushing s**t uphill, not only that but so many of their policies are in contrast to the will of the people on things like housing affordability, gay marriage, and climate change. They can keep telling us that it's all business as normal, that they are in control of things, and but Labor, but the reality is that whoever is leader at the nest election is going to lead them to a crushing defeat which is what happens when a government is as far out of touch as these guys are.

Heard Piers on OUTRAGE AM the other night.

After banging on about how great coal was , he was asked who would be a good replacement for the chairman.


He said DUTTON or ABBOTT...........






Said 80% of the people he spoke to at the " pub " verified this



Just imagine that pub.......

 

[Gough]

Heard Piers on OUTRAGE AM the other night.

After banging on about how great coal was , he was asked who would be a good replacement for the chairman.


He said DUTTON or ABBOTT...........



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Said 80% of the people he spoke to at the " pub " verified this



Just imagine that pub.......

Why do you do this to yourself Slim?

 

[Showbags]

Heard Piers on OUTRAGE AM the other night.

After banging on about how great coal was , he was asked who would be a good replacement for the chairman.


He said DUTTON or ABBOTT...........



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Said 80% of the people he spoke to at the " pub " verified this



Just imagine that pub.......

Watch last weeks episode of 4 corners to get an idea on what that type of pub looks like.

Honestly thought i was watching a rerun of the movie Deliverance.

 

[NSWCROW]

Watch last weeks episode of 4 corners to get an idea on what that type of pub looks like.

Honestly thought i was watching a rerun of the movie Deliverance.

Billy Bunta wouldn't dare get his shoes dirty in a hovel like that.

I'm talking " nothing west of Unley Rd " type stuff.

 

[JackOutback]

Heard Piers on OUTRAGE AM the other night.

After banging on about how great coal was , he was asked who would be a good replacement for the chairman.


He said DUTTON or ABBOTT...........



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Said 80% of the people he spoke to at the " pub " verified this



Just imagine that pub.......

It was an empty pub, except for Dutton and Abbott; but it was in a pub, so it's legit.

 

[GuruJane]

Almost every economist will tell you rising inequality in the economy is bad for the long term. If that's what you're after, the 2014 budget was a ripper.

Bought your backup generators yet - or is Jay handing them out for free already?

 

[Pessimistic]

Heard Piers on OUTRAGE AM the other night.

After banging on about how great coal was , he was asked who would be a good replacement for the chairman.


He said DUTTON or ABBOTT...........



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Said 80% of the people he spoke to at the " pub " verified this



Just imagine that pub.......

Even level headed people get affected by alcohol at the pub

 

[IKnowtheDog]

Heard Piers on OUTRAGE AM the other night.

After banging on about how great coal was , he was asked who would be a good replacement for the chairman.


He said DUTTON or ABBOTT...........



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Said 80% of the people he spoke to at the " pub " verified this



Just imagine that pub.......

Thta's becuase he was blocking access to either the BAR, EBT or KENO machine and they just wanted to give any answer that would shoo him away

 

[Lebbo73]

Moving to the far right is being unstable

They are nowhere near the far right. Have you seen some of the political parties out there? Australia First is far right and LNP is not even close to them.
You are far left. Just accept it. I am not far right. For example, I would never venture onto a forum like Stormfront. That is a disgusting site. This site is nearly the opposite but where else could I go for a forum of this size. I have to put up with you.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

It's harder to be a leader of a political party today thanks to advancement of technology.

These days any idiot MP can sprout their stupid ideas via blogs, twitter, facebook, BOLT report, Q&A and the damage is done. Previously a stupid idea would be bandied in the party room and that was where it would be killed off without anybody knowing it existed.

Non-cabinet sitting MPs also seem to get more coverage today and the nuttier elements get more press than those in the past.

 

[JackOutback]

They are nowhere near the far right. Have you seen some of the political parties out there? Australia First is far right and LNP is not even close to them.
You are far left. Just accept it. I am not far right. For example, I would never venture onto a forum like Stormfront. That is a disgusting site. This site is nearly the opposite but where else could I go for a forum of this size. I have to put up with you.

The Libs are pushing far right by traditional Australian standards; they are much further right than Fraser and Hewson. But you are correct, they are not far right in the global context. But they are no longer centre right (hell, that position belongs to the current ALP, who swing between centre right economic policies and centre left social policies).

 

[Dry Rot]

Whole article is worth a read. Utter arse clown govt.

The problem for the government though is not that the policy is s**t – or at least not just that the policy is s**t – but that the government is becoming wedded to far too many s**t policies, policies that are being pursued or advocated for in the face of overwhelming evidence that they do not or cannot work.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-g...ar-too-many-bad-policies-20170412-gvjfgg.html

 

[DaRick]

As I've said on here previously, I think that a political party's social and economic views should be distinguished from each other. That's because it is quite possible for a party to become more progressive in terms of social policy but develop more 'fiscally conservative' (right-wing) economic views over time.

To this end, I think that the ALP has really become a 'neoliberal' party. They are probably center-left socially, on issues like gay marriage/family law/immigration, but economically I think they are center-right. They have supported deregulation, privatisation, free trade*, targeting inflation over unemployment, and relatively limited deficit spending.

The LNP runs the gamut on social policy - I think guys like Turnbull have centre-left instincts in that regard, but guys like Tony Abbott certainly don't. Economically, they are doctrinaire right-wingers, clearly being more anti-welfare than the ALP.

I don't think Menzies would have related much to the current LNP. By modern standards he would probably be a national socialist - very conservative socially, but centre-left economically. While he outwardly promoted 'private enterprise', he also ran heavy government deficits, expanded the welfare state and was relatively protectionist. Not as much so as the ALP of his time, but certainly more so than either the modern ALP/LNP. Probably the closest thing to a Menzies in the current political climate is Bob Katter, actually.

Parties like ONP and white nationalist groups like Stormfront are hard for me to pin down. They look far-right socially because of their anti-immigration rhetoric but underneath the surface the ONP is surprisingly supportive of euthanasia, for example. Economically they combine protectionism and anti-welfare policies into a fairly muddled package. I would say they are just incoherent.

RE Turnbull's government, it is really just a continuation of the Abbott government, only replacing questionable budget proposals and farcical symbolic gestures (knighthoods, anyone?) with some very politically ill-judged policies (cutting pensions when many pensioners vote for the LNP?). I think Turnbull himself personally is not on the same page as many of his LNP colleagues politically, but he kowtows to them to preserve his position. Abbott on the other hand just came off as being a rigid, inflexible ideologue.

For whatever it's worth, I would say I'm a more socially-conservative (authoritarian?) social democrat. So basically centre-left economically and centre-right socially. I'm anywhere from ambivalent to cautious when it comes to social issues like gay marriage, family matters, abortion and euthanasia.

*They signed the Chile-Australia FTA in 2008.

 

[Pessimistic]

Whole article is worth a read. Utter arse clown govt.



http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-g...ar-too-many-bad-policies-20170412-gvjfgg.html

Reading that. And the considered comments in response. You realise we need a massive alp landslide next time round

 

[Pessimistic]

Turnbull govt is like the John major Tory one back when

Comes out with new announcement

Days later a story breaks exposing it as a total farce


Turnbulls latest is he is the pragmatist. Not ideLogical

Then it turns out he's not a pragmatist. There is a fake ideology. But Tis the idology that they're 'not labor' which is the worst kind of ideology. And unable to be respected

Sad part is it suggests we might get a Blair govt equivalent to follow

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Sad part is it suggests we might get a Blair govt equivalent to follow

Shorten is Labor-Right, but there are the lessons from Blair and the lessons from the global trend to seemingly be more nationalistic that should mean it isn't a 'new Labour' style government (not to mention the fact Shorten cannot do 'cool' anything).

I think they will look for a bit of a boring government. Less media focus. More policy focus. The fact so many Labor Governments will probably be in at a State level could also create a situation where they can make some relatively big changes in Fed v State set-ups. Health could well be a focus, given the ageing population and the focus on Medicare the Liberals will reach for.

 

[Gough]

Labor look like they may have actually learned from their last time in government, which is more than you can say for the Libs. He may present as a touch dull, but Shorten has been a very good opposition leader, he almost bought down a first term government, and is on course for a good win if things keep going the way they are. All this while eschewing the attack dog mentality that has plagued politics for a while now, and focusing on developing policy.

 

[Gough]

Conflict in Korea could be interesting for Turnbull too. Inotice our foreign policy has swiveled now to a Trumpian world view, but it's difficult to imagine that getting involved would be very popular.

 

[Pessimistic]

Conflict in Korea could be interesting for Turnbull too. Inotice our foreign policy has swiveled now to a Trumpian world view, but it's difficult to imagine that getting involved would be very popular.

Trump thought he could just establish his 'tough guy' credentials with a few sideshows. North Korea is calling his bluff. Not that I'm a North Korea fan BTW