Malthouse Megathread

[Old Spice]

Gavin Brown is a favorite son of Collingwood and has better coaching creditials and experience to date than Nathan Buckley. On paper he has a better coaching resume than Buckley. Why would Nathan Buckley be chosen over him? The only answer is Eddie is close mates with Buckley and as a result Brown left to go to Carlton after being overlooked.

So you're saying we should have chosen Rowdy over Buckley? Enlightening.

 

[No SPIN]

Gavin Brown is a favorite son of Collingwood and has better coaching creditials and experience to date than Nathan Buckley. On paper he has a better coaching resume than Buckley. Why would Nathan Buckley be chosen over him? The only answer is Eddie is close mates with Buckley and as a result Brown left to go to Carlton after being overlooked.

Any assistant to MM that was any good has got a senior role eg. McKenna, watters, NEELD, Scott. I have great respect for Rowdy as legend of the club, but if he was senior coach material he would have gotten a job by now just like the others I quoted. So your logic is flawed.

 

[Krueger]

Yes, if that untried coach is Buckley

Lol here lies the truth behind the decision (atleast for some supporters). Its like yes lets get Nathan Buckley, dont worry if he is a downgrade on the current coach or that we are in our premiership window and the last thing we need to make are drastic changes to a winning formula.

The blind faith is astounding. Eddie McGuire is human, he makes mistakes (eg. Hotel fiasco). This was handle terribly. Not only did we lose Malthouse altogether we get that dud in Rodney Eade.

 

[Jelly Bean]

I honestly don't care, MM is the one taking on the worst job. If Cloke goes as well, we get some good picks. What better way to get back at them by getting Fev (cue whinging).

Why do people say this? We won't get picks, we will get A PICK. And it won't be near fair value for Cloke.

 

[Optimax]

You reap what you sow, not offering him the coach's box role this year will be forever remembered as a heinous and stupid decision for generations. It's too late now, we are stuck with Eade backing up buckley as we struggle with our issues.

It'll be hard though, because he will make them successful, very so, and very quickly too.

 

[No SPIN]

You real what you sow, not offering him the coach's box role this year will be forever remembered as a heinous and stupid decision for generations. It's too late now, we are stuck with Eade backing up buckley as we struggle with our issues.

It'll be hard though, because he will make them successful, very so, and very quickly too.

If he manages to get the crop of outstanding assistants who are now senior coaches such as Watters, NEELD, Scott, Bucks, McKenna then he has a chance at success but I doubt it - he was very very lucky with the quality of that crop.

 

[Old Spice]

Fair point, I just don't necessarily agree that the chances of keeping him are going down by the day. We are not going to sign him now, anything going on behind the scenes is anyone's guess as to whether its positive or negative.

Well I'll say this. I'd prefer Trav at the right price (which the club determines) but we can move on beyond him and I'm really pissed off with him and his dad rather than the club.

He's shown a distinct lack of imagination and could have come back with a counter offer post us shutting down the negotiations. We'd offered him all sorts of bargains but they were snubbed. The talks were shut down because we had nothing more to conceivably offer in material terms.

I'm beginning to wonder if we've been played off a break.

Even if we weren't, David Cloke and Ralph Carr's management style has been so poor we are now in a poisonous situation which makes it hard to come back. It's no good blaming the fans as Mick has attempted to do. Fans would always be dark on such a parlous situation. Whether it was intended or not, the Cloke situation was always going to end badly and they wear the responsibility so far as I'm concerned.

The Clokes have made a bed of nails of their own creation. Whether it was purposeful or not, we wont know for a while, if ever, but they certainly made it.

 

[Krueger]

You real what you sow, not offering him the coach's box role this year will be forever remembered as a heinous and stupid decision for generations. It's too late now, we are stuck with Eade backing up buckley as we struggle with our issues.

It'll be hard though, because he will make them successful, very so, and very quickly too.

Yep instead of us enjoying the success of our hard work those tanking cheats will instead. The outcome for us so far has just been terrible and will be a train wreck of monumental proprtions if Cloke follows him.

 

[Old Spice]

You real what you sow, not offering him the coach's box role this year will be forever remembered as a heinous and stupid decision for generations. It's too late now, we are stuck with Eade backing up buckley as we struggle with our issues.

It'll be hard though, because he will make them successful, very so, and very quickly too.

It's an impossible thing to prove, which leads me to ask why you'd bother to even make it Opti. What's the point?

 

[Optimax]

It's an impossible thing to prove, which leads me to ask why you'd bother to even make it Opti. What's the point?

Is it really?

Who is the better coach Eade or Malthouse?
Who has actually coached premierships as well as played in them?
Who had the most recent winning game plan and structure between the two of them?
Who knew our players best?

After all of those questions who do you think would've been the better DoC?

Now after that trying and figure why Eade was offered a box role, and mick wasn't. God knows I can't figure it out

 

[76woodenspooners]

You real what you sow, not offering him the coach's box role this year will be forever remembered as a heinous and stupid decision for generations.

I get the impression that a lot of Collingwood supporters probably want Mick to coach again so they can see whether he remained any good or not.

We could argue about whether Mick's best years were with us or with West Coast. But I don't seriously think anybody will argue that Mick's best years are still ahead of him. His generation of coaches are long gone - except for Sheeds, but that's a special case.

It'll be hard though, because he will make them successful, very so, and very quickly too.

I think he'd probably be an upgrade on the current coach. And he'd be a good motivator and we'll see good improvement out of Carlton in the short term, but I'm not convinced that that'll go as far as winning them Premierships anytime soon.

 

[Krueger]

It's an impossible thing to prove, which leads me to ask why you'd bother to even make it Opti. What's the point?

Where was the proof Buckley would be a better coach than Malthouse and lead us to a premiership which we failed at last year?

People seem to praise Bucks and his input in winning the 2010 flag but dare not mention he was part of the losing GF coaching panel last year.

Who here seriously thinks we are a stronger club without Malthouse as coach or otherwise involved with the club?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Why does every thread and every issue have to degenerate into discussing Cloke???

 

[Krueger]

After all of those questions who do you think would've been the better DoC?

Now after that trying and figure why Eade was offered a box role, and mick wasn't. God knows I can't figure it out

Only reason can be that Buckley didnt want Malthouse looking over his shoulder and feared any future success he may have had would be attributed in part to Malthouse and not NATHAN BUCKLEY. Wouldnt be surprised if McGuire had something to do with it tbh aswell as the Doc role was never defined in such a way until after Malthouse walked.

 

[speedytiger]

Is it really?

Who is the better coach Eade or Malthouse?
Who has actually coached premierships as well as played in them?
Who had the most recent winning game plan and structure between the two of them?
Who knew our players best?

After all of those questions who do you think would've been the better DoC?

Now after that trying and figure why Eade was offered a box role, and mick wasn't. God knows I can't figure it out

That is all true Opti but..

If the new senior coach was uncomfortable with the ex coach peering over his shoulder would he still be the best man for the job?

Could Mick take a back seat and let Bucks have his way?

If my aunty had balls would she be my uncle?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Who here seriously thinks we are a stronger club without Malthouse as coach or otherwise involved with the club?

Long term, yes, me, I think that. As I mentioned in an earlier post, if you wait until your Senior Coach becomes useless before getting rid of him, then you've probably waited 2 or 3 seasons too long.

Maybe even short term too. Would Mick have got more out of our team this year? - it'd be tough to argue either way because Buckley has done fairly well.

 

[Optimax]

Only reason can be that Buckley didnt want Malthouse looking over his shoulder and feared any future success he may have had would be attributed in part to Malthouse and not NATHAN BUCKLEY. Wouldnt be surprised if McGuire had something to do with it tbh aswell as the Doc role was never defined in such a way until after Malthouse walked.

Malthouse didn't particularly want Buckley over his shoulder either, yet still it happened. Best for the club yadda yadda.

That is all true Opti but..

If the new senior coach was uncomfortable with the ex coach peering over his shoulder would he still be the best man for the job?

Could Mick take a back seat and let Bucks have his way?

If my aunty had balls would she be my uncle?

We don't know, but he walked when he was refused a box role.

For those wondering, just keeping Malthouse would've fixed some issues. Look at dawes in the ruck, dying preseason mick Sao it wouldn't work and would make Dawes a worse player because of it......sounds close to the mark to me!

 

[Old Spice]

You reap what you sow, not offering him the coach's box role this year will be forever remembered as a heinous and stupid decision for generations. It's too late now, we are stuck with Eade backing up buckley as we struggle with our issues.

It'll be hard though, because he will make them successful, very so, and very quickly too.

Yeah. you were taking a pot shot at Eade, not Buckley. Pull the other one.

We all know, and you know very well, that Buckley rather than Malthouse was offered 'the coach's box role'.

Come to expect Kreuger like the Nightmare on Elm Street coming to pot Buckley after any fail. Opti not far behind now in the white anting stakes. FFS, 1st year and getting potted.

 

[speedytiger]

Malthouse didn't particularly want Buckley over his shoulder either, yet still it happened. Best for the club yadda yadda.
We don't know, but he walked when he was refused a box role.

For those wondering, just keeping Malthouse would've fixed some issues. Look at dawes in the ruck, dying preseason mick Sao it wouldn't work and would make Dawes a worse player because of it......sounds close to the mark to me!

Mick has got quite a few predictions right this year. I also was against the original agreement for other reasons entirely but Bucks has won me over this year with his calmness and composure.

Mick maybe should have backed himself in and not signed the contract? I guess the role for the last 2 years of the contract not being defined confused things a bit.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Is it really?

Who is the better coach Eade or Malthouse?

If it was a Head Coaching role being discussed then that's a fair question. But the better Senior Coach doesn't necessarily make them the best mentor.

Who has actually coached premierships as well as played in them?

This is a very good point. It worries me that as far as I know, our existing coaching staff haven't won an AFL Premiership between them? (please correct me if I'm wrong). I think that's valuable experience that is missing.

Who had the most recent winning game plan and structure between the two of them?
Who knew our players best?

This could be good and bad. Given that Buckley has hardly coming in fresh, Eade was able to offer a fresh set of eyes and a new perspective. I'm sure Buckley would already have a fair idea about what Mick thought about each of our players.

After all of those questions who do you think would've been the better DoC?

Eade, absolutely, if only because he wanted the role and Mick didn't. (Ignoring for a moment that they are different roles, Eade is not DoC).

But I think Mick would have made a very good DoC if he'd given the role a chance.

Now after that trying and figure why Eade was offered a box role, and mick wasn't. God knows I can't figure it out

It makes total sense to me that Mick wasn't offered a box role. And I can't fathom why Eade is in the box every week.

I saw that both roles were strategic roles, ie: look at the big picture at how the club navigates its way through the season - not getting bogged down in the detail of what happens in the box on match day.

 

[Optimax]

Yeah. you were taking a pot shot at Eade, not Buckley. Pull the other one.

We all know, and you know very well, that Buckley rather than Malthouse was offered 'the coach's box role'.

Come to expect Kreuger like the Nightmare on Elm Street coming to pot Buckley after any fail. Opti not far behind now in the white anting stakes. FFS, 1st year and getting potted.

I've actually held myself back, hoping beyond hope a gameplan would materialise before finals. Still I wait.

Also believe what you want, but I've spent the year potting Eade who's doing the role Malthouse envisaged. Buckley was always going to be our coach this year, but we'd be better with mick still there and I've got no doubt

 

[76woodenspooners]

Also believe what you want, but I've spent the year potting Eade who's doing the role Malthouse envisaged...

What does Eade do apart from chatting to the media during the game breaks?

(serious question)

And what has he done this year that you've been unhappy about?

 

[eddiebankbalance]

Will be hard to see Malthouse coach the scum. Very hard indeed.

so now you gonna hate on MM or show Bucks some love?

 

[eddiebankbalance]

Cloke and MM deal? I'm good with that.

 

[Optimax]

What does Eade do apart from chatting to the media during the game breaks?

(serious question)

And what has he done this year that you've been unhappy about?

He's meant to do opposition analysis and help with tactics.

Our tactics are shit, and we seem to do no opposition analysis case in point whose dumb idea was it to play a small on Hansen? Play an aerobic beast of a chf as a wrestling full forward all year?

He's meant to be a guide to buckley and is doing an abhorrent job of it