Malthouse Says Seven Debutants Will Be Long Term Players

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We debuted nine this year and MM reckons he likes the long term prospects of seven of them

Which two has he got doubts about?

Hall's probably one, I'd guess the other is either Yakka or Davies.

Perhaps an ominous sign for big Brent?
 

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Presume you meant seven instead of the sekkund 9!

Brent is looking shakey, but you'd have to give him another year I reckon.

He wasn't overly responsive to Heathy, even after his 20+ posessions. Said he butchered the ball!

Yakka seems to cop a fair bit of flack for not impressing, but I reckon he'll be OK. Just a boy trying to crack the hardest area of the ground. Looked good at Willi and he'll never die wondering in contested situations!
 

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2005 Debutants
Chris Egan - GOOD
Sean Rusling - GOOD
Travis Cloke - GOOD
Adam Iacobucci - POOR
Heath Shaw - OKAY
Brent Hall - POOR
Ben Davies - GOOD
Heritier O'Brien - OKAY
David Fanning - OKAY
 

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Hall would certainly be one of them.
Can't see any up side in him at all.
1 game for nil return, way out of his depth

The other is probably Heath, although at times he has looked OK.
I like the look of Yakka, got a bit of 'go' about him

Its easier to pick the 6 who are OK
Fanning
Davies
O'Brien
Egan
Rusling
Cloke
 

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Its easier to pick the 6 who are OK
Fanning
Davies
O'Brien
Egan
Rusling
Cloke
Yup, I think you'd get almost 100% agreeance on those six. Then it's out of Heath "gets the ball, but turns it over" Shaw, vs Adam "hasn't played enough" Iacobucci.
Booch isn't going THAT badly is he:
Round K H P M T FF FA
Round 6 3 7 10 1 1 0 1
Round 7 9 5 14 0 2 0 0
Round 17 6 3 9 3 0 2 1

Yes, he hasn't scored anything yet, and he's averaged over 80 mins game for the three games, doesn't make him 'crap', does it? :confused:
 

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Actually I like the look of H Shaw and will take the word of experts like Figgy that Yakka is a gun too.

Maybe, just maybe, we scored 8 out of nine this year!!!!
 
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Presume you meant seven instead of the sekkund 9!

Brent is looking shakey, but you'd have to give him another year I reckon.

He wasn't overly responsive to Heathy, even after his 20+ posessions. Said he butchered the ball!

Yakka seems to cop a fair bit of flack for not impressing, but I reckon he'll be OK. Just a boy trying to crack the hardest area of the ground. Looked good at Willi and he'll never die wondering in contested situations!
how many more butchers with a bit of toe can we handle????
Chris Tarrant is getting slaughtered by these butchers, no point him making the effort of beating his man, plus 1 or 2 others, making front position only to have the ball put over his head or at his opponents chest time and time again. Maybe we could recruit some skills coaches along with some head over the ball midfielders?????? P.S. I've logged on from a mates computer :cool:
 
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I honestly beleive, that the 2 to not amke it would be o'brien and hall.

O'brien even though alright in his first few games, i just dont think he has a good footy brain to make it. and theres something holding him back.

I like Heath Shaw and his kicking can be improved.

Why does everyone think Yakka is crap? Gimme some reasons, hes done alright so far and i reckon he will be atleast a 100 game player for us, he is in-under and quick.. thats a first for a collingwood player. So he's one step ahead of the rest. many people called him the best junior footballer they have ever seen when he was a bit younger. don't doubt him, i reckon he'll make it.

The rest are givens/
 
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I agree with you on Yakka Shuveradda, but not O'brien. How you could possibly say he has looked out of his depth is beyond me. Not only has he kept his opponents quiet so far, his disposal and decision making have been first rate.


As an 18 year old kid off the rookie list he has looked remarkably composed.
 

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Keep the faith on Yakka.

he has played three game sin his first year and played well in two of them.
Early on was consistent down at Willy, there is some left in him yet.
 

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Hall would certainly be one of them.
Can't see any up side in him at all.
1 game for nil return, way out of his depth

The other is probably Heath, although at times he has looked OK.
I like the look of Yakka, got a bit of 'go' about him

Its easier to pick the 6 who are OK
Fanning
Davies
O'Brien
Egan
Rusling
Cloke
Chop fanning he is no good
 
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Chop fanning he is no good
You've got to be kidding. For an ex-basketballer who hadn't even played VFL seniors before playing AFL, he's done remarkably well. This year has been painful for all of us, but if we're lucky with injuries next year we will have 3 very good ruckman to rotate, excluding Rocca and C. Cloke, who are more than serviceable. You just don't chop ruckman because you don't think they're Dean Cox.
 

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He didn't say the 2 didn't have a future he just said the other 7 definately will have long careers.
Iacobucci and Hall have not really shown that they will have a long future yet (although the jury is still out on Fanning and H.Shaw, depending on what you mean by 'long careers').
However I'm a huge wrap for The Booch and I think he will figure prominately in our future. I'm not calling him a 'plodder', but he is fighting for the same role as Woey, O'Bree, Lica, Burns and Holland.
 

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Surely I'm not the only one that can see the resemblence between O'Brien and Mal Michael?????? P.S. still on mates computer
I saw the Pies boys on the plane going to Adelaide and said exactly the same thing. Once he fills out he'll be a very good size backman for you.
 

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Unless he grows a good 5cm or so O'Brien will never be able to be a full time fullback. Sure he might be able to fill in now and again but he will get monstered by the gorillas. Although it is fairly obvious that SOS has been tutoring him, his body on body work for his size is sensational, and is able to get the fist in on the ball at the right moment. He reminds me more of Hart from the Crows.
 
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Unless he grows a good 5cm or so O'Brien will never be able to be a full time fullback. Sure he might be able to fill in now and again but he will get monstered by the gorillas. Although it is fairly obvious that SOS has been tutoring him, his body on body work for his size is sensational, and is able to get the fist in on the ball at the right moment. He reminds me more of Hart from the Crows.
True, Could never be big enough for kpp, Most likely a BP player. Hows his pace? he was said to be quikc but i havent really noticed him go.

I like him but for some reason i feel he will not make it, i do not no why though.
 

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His pace shouldn't be a query at this stage, he has plenty of it, and hasn't been found out in a leading situation.
I am a huge wrap for young Harry, I don't see many faults in his game at this VERY EARLY stage yet.
he had huge kicking queries as well but I haven't seen him make too many mistakes and he has drilled some superb passes.
 

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Murray said:
Hall would certainly be one of them.
Can't see any up side in him at all.
1 game for nil return, way out of his depth

The other is probably Heath, although at times he has looked OK.
I like the look of Yakka, got a bit of 'go' about him

Its easier to pick the 6 who are OK
Fanning
Davies
O'Brien
Egan
Rusling
Cloke

thats a tad harsh! the point is he only played one game! if you got rid of every player who didnt play well in there first game there woudlnt be many players left
 

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thats a tad harsh! the point is he only played one game! if you got rid of every player who didnt play well in there first game there woudlnt be many players left
Hall is not up to Willi seconds standard.
Ever watched him at Willi 1's (which has been rare this year I know)?

The fact is clubs can only have so many 'project' players.
We have an abundance of them.

Clubs now decide that if a player has made no improvement within the first 2 years, then the system will not allow them to be carried.
It will take 3 years for Hall to be ready, that is too long IMO
 

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Malthouse talks arse saving crap every time he opens his mouth theses days. I think 2 will make it and 2 or 3 more might. The chances of 5 or 6 making it are very slim. It just doesn’t happen very often.

I’ll be surprise if Hall makes it. I just can’t see any football ability. Heath Shaw would be a surprise also but at least he can find the ball. He just might have something to worth with. He has to improve his disposal very quickly though. Yakka has shown very little but he’s only just arrived so it isn’t fair to make a call yet. Davies I don’t mind but he does look one of those players that lacks a weapon and has some flaws. We have had a million of them and that’s why we don’t win flags. Worth persisting with for another year. Harry looks like he could be anything or nothing.

Fanning can’t play. He’s a failed basketballer trying to make it in a harder sport. He is not better than Crowe – probably a fair bit worse – and we “delisted” him. Hell, he made Jason Cloke look a ruckman. Just forget about it Pies. Go and get a bloody real ruckman for Christ’s sake. Egan might make it but he is miles off. His disposal is generally poor. His decision making is worse. At least he isn’t slow.

Travis is exciting. Rusling could be a top liner with his pace and mobility. That’s it. Another average to middling return from the list decimation squad. One find in the middle of the draft, one gimme 3rd round F/S pick and a couple of maybes. For a 4th last placed start to the draft that’s nothing to get excited about. Can’t wait to hear how good they class of 2005 were and how great the 2006 intake is at the AGM.
 

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MarkT your definition of "making it" and MM's definition seem to be different.
IMO making it is becoming at least a solid player, Holland has 'made it' even O'Bree has, not making it is being delisted/offloaded within 5 years.

Just to put in context what he actually said
"I reckon seven of the nine will push for real senior selection next year. (For) the other two, the jury's out, but there's a very strong indicator that they will be around as well,"
 

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jabso said:
MarkT your definition of "making it" and MM's definition seem to be different.
IMO making it is becoming at least a solid player, Holland has 'made it' even O'Bree has, not making it is being delisted/offloaded within 5 years.

Just to put in context what he actually said
"I reckon seven of the nine will push for real senior selection next year. (For) the other two, the jury's out, but there's a very strong indicator that they will be around as well,"
Mmmm, still can't see Hall making it
 
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