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Africa, Far Behind on Vaccines​

Every other continent is ahead.
Last week, just days before scientists discovered the Omicron variant, South Africa’s government asked Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer not to make some planned deliveries of their Covid-19 vaccines. The country already had more doses in storage than it could use — about 16 million, in a country of 60 million people — and officials were worried that further supplies would spoil before they could be used.

How could that be?

The main answer should be familiar to Americans: vaccine skepticism. “There is a fair amount of apathy and hesitancy,” Dr. Shabir Madhi, a vaccination expert in South Africa, told Reuters. For similar reasons, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Mozambique and Malawi have asked donors to pause vaccine deliveries, my colleague Declan Walsh has reported.

(This article on vaccine skepticism in Africa, by Lynsey Chutel and Max Fisher, has more detail.)

The sources of the skepticism are different in the U.S. and in Africa. In much of Africa, they are related to decades of exploitation and
poverty. In the U.S., the biggest cause is political polarization: More than 35 percent of Republican voters are unvaccinated, compared with fewer than 10 percent of Democrats.

But both forms of skepticism stem from distrust — of experts, institutions and government leaders. And that distrust has become a major reason that the world is struggling to defeat Covid. The more people remain unvaccinated, the more the Covid virus spreads and the more people die. Less vaccination also increases the chances that dangerous variants will emerge.

“I think that Covid is not real — they are playing with us, politicians and everyone,” Tidibatso Rakabe, a 20-year-old resident of a township near Pretoria, told The Times. She does not plan to be vaccinated.

After scientists in South Africa announced the discovery of Omicron, some commentators in the U.S. jumped to the conclusion that unequal vaccine distribution between rich and poor countries was the cause. But that’s not quite right, as the stories of Africa’s unused vaccines make clear. (Plus, Omicron may not have originated in Africa.)

Unequal vaccine access was a major issue earlier this year. High-income countries were faster to order vaccines and could afford more of them initially. They also had the infrastructure to produce and distribute the shots. India and South Africa are among the few lower-income countries that manufacture Covid vaccines.

As a result, even residents of many low-income countries who were eager to receive vaccines often had to wait weeks or months to do so.

Today, though, a simple lack of access is less of a problem in many places. The U.S. and other rich countries are distributing hundreds of millions of doses for free, and pharmaceutical companies are selling others at a discounted price, often less than $10 a dose. In many poor countries, vaccinating the entire adult population would cost significantly less than 1 percent of annual G.D.P.

It still is not close to happening, however. Worldwide, about 56 percent of people have received at least one vaccine dose. Every continent is above 50 percent except for Africa — which is at about 10 percent. In South Africa, the share is 29 percent.

One problem is a lack of public health infrastructure in poorer countries, especially in rural areas, as Lynsey and Max note in their article. There often are not places to store the vaccines or people to administer to them. Governments have also failed to explain the vaccines’ importance to their citizens.

“Almost no investment in vaccine education or promotion has gone into low-income countries,” Dr. Saad Omer, a Yale University epidemiologist, said. “Why do we expect that all we will have to do is drop vaccines at an airport, do the photo op, and people will come running to the airport and grab the vaccine?”

A legacy of mistreatment​

The lack of vaccine education plays into an underlying mistrust of many medical treatments, especially those that come from other countries. That mistrust has its roots in a history of horrific experiments under colonialism.

In present-day Namibia during the early 1900s, German officials sterilized some local residents, injected others with arsenic and deliberately infected people with smallpox, typhus and tuberculosis (as this Times essay by Kavena Hambira and Miriam Gleckman-Krut explains).

Such direct harm became less common in the second half of the 20th century, but mistreatment was still common. Drug companies sometimes conducted research trials without people’s consent. Only a decade ago, Pfizer made financial payments to the parents of dead children in Nigeria after a research trial went wrong.

Arguably the biggest source of modern distrust in southern Africa is H.I.V. After inventing lifesaving treatments, Western pharmaceutical companies initially kept their prices too high for many Africans to afford, and governments did not fix the situation for years. In South Africa, Zimbabwe and some other countries, life expectancy fell by more than a decade from 1990 to 2005 — a decline with little modern equivalent.

Given this history, it’s not exactly surprising that many Africans are skeptical of the Covid vaccines, even though all available evidence suggests they safe and effective. Online misinformation exacerbates the problem, as it does in the U.S.

In a survey of 15 African countries done late last year, 49 percent of respondents said they believed rumors that Covid was planned by a foreign actor and 45 percent said they believed Africans were being used as guinea pigs in vaccine research trials. Those misperceptions are costing people their lives.
 



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2. "Covid is less dangerous than the common cold"

Excess mortality during the COVID pandemic:
Covid has killed more people in the US than the last 10 flu seasons combined.

3. [Lots of mRNA claims...]

What mRNA vaccines actually are:
There is no protein in an mRNA vaccine.

4. "mRNA vaccines change your DNA"

mRNA vaccines cannot change your DNA. If it was that easy, there would be a LOT more effective gene therapies:


5. "mRNA changes your DNA... and you are then subject to patent laws. Your offspring are illegally produced patented products."

Gene therapies used today don’t alter the germ line:

And... yeah nobody is an illegally produced patented product.

Jesus f**k :tearsofjoy:

The ol' "virus has not been isolated" still getting around, incredible. And "you and your kids are patented products", deary me.

Absolutely amazing this guy was allowed within 10 feet of the microphone :drunk:
 
I'm fully over Covid now, 10 days after the first symptoms, 2-3 days were pretty rough with a very sore throat and fatigued muscles, besides that I would describe it as mild, the severity of the throat soreness could have also had a bit to do with the long term throat damage I suffered from Radiation treatment in that area a couple of years ago.

Everyone keeps telling me I am so lucky that I was vaccinated or it would have been a lot more severe... thinking about it a lot over the last few days has me wondering is the reason for the low death rate to do with a highly vaccinated population or is it just because Omicron is a lot less virulent than previous variants? You would have to extrapolate out and expect that the death rate among vaccinated and non vaccinated would have been a lot higher with a more virulent strain, to what varying degrees is probably unanswerable.

The vaccines are definitely not working as well as they were first trumpeted to.
 
You would have to extrapolate out and expect that the death rate among vaccinated and non vaccinated would have been a lot higher with a more virulent strain, to what varying degrees is probably unanswerable.

The vaccines are definitely not working as well as they were first trumpeted to.
Yes we do see that unvaccinated people go to hospital, die, at a lot greater rate than vaccinated people.

Vaccine effectiveness rates don't seem to survive contact with the real world. From what I see, trials do weed out very vulnerable people. They weed out as many confounding variables and try not to kill anyone.

New variants have blunted a bit of the effectiveness but it is far better to be vaccinated than not.
 

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UK continues to give us clear, detailed, granular data all along, better than all other nations. Their reporting (on page 48 of week 2, 2022 report as well as in prior weekly reports, e.g. page 47 of week 1): “recent observations from UKHSA surveillance data that N antibody levels are lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination” is very alarming as it points to an impact on immunity (natural ‘recovered’ immunity) by the vaccine. En face, it suggests that if infected post 2nd dose, the generated immune response is hobbled/damaged (N antibodies are nucleocapsid antibodies).

It is clear from above tables (unadjusted) that the vaccinated is being infected at far greater levels than the unvaccinated. Except < 18 years old. This is disastrous as the rates are increasing week over week. We have to urgently study the extent that they can transmit to both vaccinated and unvaccinated persons, and how much they can get sick. But we must stop the vaccine. It is time to end the pandemic, it is time to end this vaccine, it does not work and is harmful.
 
The whole check in QR code, vaccine passport system surely will end in the next 3 months.

I assume once the booster has hit high levels, there is really no point in it at all.

QR codes were brought in for tracing. That is irrelevant now and was always going to be once the virus was running freely.

Vaccinated are transmitting the virus to other vaccinated/unvaccinated. A restaurant can have 50 double vaxxed, but someone with covid could spread it to them all.

Basically after almost 12 months of having vaccines available, everyone has had enough time to get the jab. I don't care if someone is vaccinated or unvaccinated at a restaurant I enter. I am looking after my own health by being vaccinated, if someone doesn't want to get the vaccine that is their decision and they will deal with potential ramifications.

Stop this madness, let everyone work and let everyone go everywhere and remove this stupid nonsense.
 
It is clear from above tables (unadjusted) that the vaccinated is being infected at far greater levels than the unvaccinated.
Greater levels.

Raw numbers? Or rate per 100,000 population?
 
The whole check in QR code, vaccine passport system surely will end in the next 3 months.

I assume once the booster has hit high levels, there is really no point in it at all.

QR codes were brought in for tracing. That is irrelevant now and was always going to be once the virus was running freely.

Vaccinated are transmitting the virus to other vaccinated/unvaccinated. A restaurant can have 50 double vaxxed, but someone with covid could spread it to them all.

Basically after almost 12 months of having vaccines available, everyone has had enough time to get the jab. I don't care if someone is vaccinated or unvaccinated at a restaurant I enter. I am looking after my own health by being vaccinated, if someone doesn't want to get the vaccine that is their decision and they will deal with potential ramifications.

Stop this madness, let everyone work and let everyone go everywhere and remove this stupid nonsense.
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UK continues to give us clear, detailed, granular data all along, better than all other nations. Their reporting (on page 48 of week 2, 2022 report as well as in prior weekly reports, e.g. page 47 of week 1): “recent observations from UKHSA surveillance data that N antibody levels are lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination” is very alarming as it points to an impact on immunity (natural ‘recovered’ immunity) by the vaccine. En face, it suggests that if infected post 2nd dose, the generated immune response is hobbled/damaged (N antibodies are nucleocapsid antibodies).

It is clear from above tables (unadjusted) that the vaccinated is being infected at far greater levels than the unvaccinated. Except < 18 years old. This is disastrous as the rates are increasing week over week. We have to urgently study the extent that they can transmit to both vaccinated and unvaccinated persons, and how much they can get sick. But we must stop the vaccine. It is time to end the pandemic, it is time to end this vaccine, it does not work and is harmful.


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Hey Chief

If this board sets up a GoFundMe to raise $3,000 to gift you a permanent ban, what happens?
I would have to retire my user name. But I would be back on the next day as Chief2.
 
A virus circulating through a near global human community is actually pretty normal going by history and should somewhat be expected and prepared for in the future.

Seeing as vax passports for basic social activities dont control or stop the spread, in a 95% vaxxed population. Of which the dominant virus strain and the vaxines provide little protection from infection and spread, seems overkill, but I suppose it provides a false sense of security to alot of overly fearful people.
Mark McGowan just admitted the above. Double vaxxed does nothing to limit spread of omnicron but our jobs and livelihoods were used to threaten us to comply, for something that offers zero protection from infection. It does protect us from the symptoms and staying out of hospital though so why tf are we not opening the border then? Where is McGowans omnicron modelling for him going back on his word to open up feb 5?
 
Mark McGowan just admitted the above. Double vaxxed does nothing to limit spread of omnicron but our jobs and livelihoods were used to threaten us to comply, for something that offers zero protection from infection. It does protect us from the symptoms and staying out of hospital though so why tf are we not opening the border then? Where is McGowans omnicron modelling for him going back on his word to open up feb 5?

No opening. McGowan has put himself between a rock and hard place. 90%+ of the vote from rolling up the drawbridge and going eradication but left no room to move. Covid will never go away. So when you open you will have cases and the 9% drops.
 
The whole check in QR code, vaccine passport system surely will end in the next 3 months.

I assume once the booster has hit high levels, there is really no point in it at all.

QR codes were brought in for tracing. That is irrelevant now and was always going to be once the virus was running freely.

Vaccinated are transmitting the virus to other vaccinated/unvaccinated. A restaurant can have 50 double vaxxed, but someone with covid could spread it to them all.

Basically after almost 12 months of having vaccines available, everyone has had enough time to get the jab. I don't care if someone is vaccinated or unvaccinated at a restaurant I enter. I am looking after my own health by being vaccinated, if someone doesn't want to get the vaccine that is their decision and they will deal with potential ramifications.

Stop this madness, let everyone work and let everyone go everywhere and remove this stupid nonsense.
Why will it surely end? 2 years into 3. Some form of tracing and tracking has been normalised so is here to say.
 
Mark McGowan just admitted the above. Double vaxxed does nothing to limit spread of omnicron but our jobs and livelihoods were used to threaten us to comply, for something that offers zero protection from infection. It does protect us from the symptoms and staying out of hospital though so why tf are we not opening the border then? Where is McGowans omnicron modelling for him going back on his word to open up feb 5?
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Those numbers don't give me much confidence in the jab, not sure that is good enough to justify mandates
 

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Seeing as vax passports for basic social activities dont control or stop the spread, in a 95% vaxxed population.
Imagine what it would be like without vaccination.
 
Criminal investigation into these vaccines is underway in the UK. We were right all along.

This is a video of some crank trying to make a criminal complaint and passing it off as legitimate?
 

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