Mandatory Vaccinations And Medical Exemptions

Are you for or against Mandatory Vaccinations

  • For

    Votes: 249 60.4%
  • Against

    Votes: 167 40.5%

  • Total voters
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kaiserchief13

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AZ and J & J are both genetic vaccines that also "instruct the cells’ machinery to produce what is called a spike protein." AZ is not approved and J&J not widely used in the US. If they were they could have found similar results.

He's British though, not American?
 

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owen87

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I cling to hope that anti vaxxers consistently getting schooled on their rubbish may be helping those unsure see how wrong the anti vaccination talking points are.

I guess if even one hesitant person is swung back to science then the thread is worthwhile.
This is the main reason it's even worth engaging with the true nuff nuffs. Not that you'll ever change their perspective, but that someone else who might be a little more open minded might be able to see how nonsensical the stuff they post is.
 

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You are the coroner?? You agreed with me about COD, so DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THE MEDICINE??

I've already posted the link a couple of times for the 30 year old, ONCE IN THIS THREAD, that had an autopsy that changed her COD from what the officials said was COVID-19, to pneumonia.


Shattered family of Australia's youngest Covid victim, 30, reveal the REAL cause of her death - as they threaten to SUE over the tragedy
  • Family of youngest woman is NSW to die with Covid reveal the coroner's findings
  • Ianeta Isaako, 30, collapsed in her home shortly after contracting coronavirus
  • The young mother's official cause of death was found to be pneumonia


You realize in the last link it says "Earlier on Tuesday, NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant said authorities were aware of the media reports but were unable to determine the cause of her death" and "Her death has been referred to the coroner"?
So they did exactly what they should have done when the cause of death wasnt entirely obvious and referred the matter to the coroners office.
 

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You realize in the last link it says "Earlier on Tuesday, NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant said authorities were aware of the media reports but were unable to determine the cause of her death" and "Her death has been referred to the coroner"?
So they did exactly what they should have done when the cause of death wasnt entirely obvious and referred the matter to the coroners office.
Add to this that the Cause of Death has not been stated as Pneumonia due to something other than covid.
 

The 747

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You realize in the last link it says "Earlier on Tuesday, NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant said authorities were aware of the media reports but were unable to determine the cause of her death" and "Her death has been referred to the coroner"?
So they did exactly what they should have done when the cause of death wasnt entirely obvious and referred the matter to the coroners office.
Just put it on ignore mate, you are wasting your time trying to explain anything to this poster.
 

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"B.1.1.529 has a very unusual constellation of mutations, which are worrying because they could help it evade the body’s immune response and make it more transmissible, scientists have said. Any new variant that is able to evade vaccines or spread faster than the now-dominant Delta variant might pose a significant threat as the world emerges from the pandemic"
Bloody hell stop flights now introduce strict quarantine for all international flights
England have already declared Sough Africa’s code red
If Scomo drops the ball on this one we are stuffed this has the potential to be the worst variant by far
What’s the worst that happens a couple of thousand international travellers are put out false alarm back to normal
Or the entire economy comes to stop 10s if not 100s of thousands of deaths
I’ll be pissed of we don’t act today or tomorrow
 

BlueE

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You just ignored everythign I just said. I''l just repeat in point form.

- you don't need a autopsy to know what the infection was, blood test is fine and would've been done when she was alive
- no inqest was made which leads me to believe that the coroner found that Covid was the COD

I love how you are "teaching" me the difference between bacterial and viral pneumonia. Hilarious. Any more info on those "genetic" vaccines?
Your posts are rubbish, including saying you were the coroner!

The authorities said she died from COVID-19 but she didn't, as the coroners said. If you are claiming the family is lying or you have the coroners report then produce it.

I'm not talking about he difference between viral and bacterial pneumonia, as you should know.
 

owen87

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Your posts are rubbish, including saying you were the coroner!

The authorities said she died from COVID-19 but she didn't, as the coroners said. If you are claiming the family is lying or you have the coroners report then produce it.

I'm not talking about he difference between viral and bacterial pneumonia, as you should know.
fu** me mate. You're a genuine moron.

not to mention one ludicrous claim that someone with Covid had their COD change to pneumonia fro.I'm the coroner.
The bolded is clearly a typo.

I've worked with the coroners office
Given he says this in the exact same post.
 

BlueE

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When you say 'dropped out' can we be sure they voluntary removed themselves from the study or were they removed in the same manner as Brianne Dressen?

https://davidhealy.org/new-england-...zojhxZV0cJsk7hbLQniJItRIjIOceB2gWrIvyrwHUtXGs
Very likely. No peer reviewed or published data, so it's hard to tell with the small amount of information Pfizer release.

"2,260 participants 12 through 15 years of age randomized 1:1 to receive Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine or saline control. FDA’s review of the available safety data from 2,260 participants 12 through 15 years of age, who were followed for a median of 2 months after receiving the second dose."

"FDA’s analysis of available descriptive efficacy data from 1,983 participants 12 through 15 years of age without evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection prior to 7 days after dose 2."


Low numbers, almost 300 participants not included in the final efficacy data and no details about the safety except, "did not identify specific safety concerns that would preclude issuance of an EUA."

They got an extension of the EUA but not approval, which was only given to Comirnaty for over 16s. "COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) was approved for active immunization to prevent COVID-19 caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in individuals 16 years of age and older."

The FDA did order 10 studies mostly looking at myo or pericarditis in various ages under 30. Would make sense to wait for the results of those studies before mandating the vaccine to anyone under 30.

Interestly, when I went back to look at the FDA briefing document for 23 August, it's was updated on 19th November with information about new products Pfizer is now putting out for 12 to 15 year olds, as well as 5 - 11 year olds.

Main difference is now adding Tris (tromethamine), but now three different formulations. No evidence of data from trials for the new product available for over 12 s.

Product Description. The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, supplied in two formulations, is provided in three different vials:

For use in individuals 12 years of age and older
• The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine that uses PBS buffer is available in multiple dose vials with purple caps. It is formulated to provide, after dilution, 0.3 mL doses (each containing 30 µg modRNA) and can be used for all authorized indications in individuals 12 years of age and older.

• The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine that uses Tris buffer, and is available in multiple dose vials with gray caps and labels with gray borders, is formulated to provide, after dilution, 0.3 mL doses (each containing 30 µg modRNA) and can be used for all authorized indications in individuals 12 years of age and older. For use in individuals 5 through 11 years of age

• The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine that uses Tris buffer, and is available in multiple dose vials with orange caps and labels with orange borders, is formulated to provide, after dilution, 0.2 mL doses (each containing 10 µg modRNA) and can be used for administration to individuals 5 through 11 years of age.

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine that uses Tris buffer and that is supplied in multiple dose vials with gray caps is supplied as a frozen suspension and should not be diluted. Each 0.3 mL dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine contains 30 µg of a modRNA encoding the viral spike (S) glycoprotein of SARS-CoV-2.

Each dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine also includes the following ingredients: lipids (0.43 mg (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1- diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 0.05 mg 2[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 0.09 mg 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine, and 0.19 mg cholesterol), 0.06 mg tromethamine, 0.4 mg tromethamine hydrochloride, and 31 mg sucrose.

 

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BlueE

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Though children are less likely to develop severe illness from Covid than adults, they are still at risk, and can also spread the virus to adults. Experts have warned that children should be vaccinated to protect against possible long-Covid symptoms, Multi-system Inflammatory Syndrome and hospitalization.

At the end of October, about 8,300 American children ages 5 to 11 have been hospitalized with Covid and at least 172 have died, out of more than 3.2 million hospitalizations and 740,000 deaths overall, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

At a news conference on Friday, Dr. Janet Woodcock, the acting commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, said hospitalizations and deaths among 5- to 11-year-olds were “really startling.”
Children are at statistically zero risk themselves from COVID unless they have serious other conditions as previously discussed from analysis of Health data.

Where is any evidence showing children spread COVID-19 to adults?

US have been called out mistakenly diagnosing the serious childrens' virus, RSV as COVID-19 and MIS is one of the adverse events reported many times in DAEN after vaccination in children.

 

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I cling to hope that anti vaxxers consistently getting schooled on their rubbish may be helping those unsure see how wrong the anti vaccination talking points are.
(1) Tell me who you think is an anti vaxxer as opposed to anti mandate or anti the current crop of Covid vaccines. The Swine flu vaccine was removed after being linked to 53 deaths. Did you label the scientists who successfully lobbied for it's removal anti-vaxxers?

(2) Please tell me when those people you've labeled 'anti-vaxxers' are "getting schooled" as so far I have only seen BlueE doing the schooling and he's not an anti vaxxer per se.
 

BlueE

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He's British though, not American?
My understanding is the British guy you posted, was talking about this American study.

It's just an abstract I can find, but in a reputable peer reviewed journal.

Our group has been using the PULS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (percentage chance) of a new Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS).

The score has been measured every 3-6 months in our patient population for 8 years. Recently, with the advent of the mRNA COVID 19 vaccines (vac) by Moderna and Pfizer, dramatic changes in the PULS score became apparent in most patients.

A total of 566 patients, aged 28 to 97, M:F ratio 1:1 seen in a preventive cardiology practice had a new PULS test drawn from 2 to 10 weeks following the 2nd COVID shot and was compared to the previous PULS score drawn 3 to 5 months previously pre- shot.

These changes resulted in an increase of the PULS score from 11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk. At the time of this report, these changes persist for at least 2.5 months post second dose of vac.

We conclude that the mRNA vaccines dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.

 

owen87

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My understanding is the British guy you posted, was talking about this American study.

It's just an abstract I can find, but in a reputable peer reviewed journal.

Our group has been using the PULS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (percentage chance) of a new Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS).

The score has been measured every 3-6 months in our patient population for 8 years. Recently, with the advent of the mRNA COVID 19 vaccines (vac) by Moderna and Pfizer, dramatic changes in the PULS score became apparent in most patients.

A total of 566 patients, aged 28 to 97, M:F ratio 1:1 seen in a preventive cardiology practice had a new PULS test drawn from 2 to 10 weeks following the 2nd COVID shot and was compared to the previous PULS score drawn 3 to 5 months previously pre- shot.

These changes resulted in an increase of the PULS score from 11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk. At the time of this report, these changes persist for at least 2.5 months post second dose of vac.

We conclude that the mRNA vaccines dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.

Fact Check: Dr. Vernon Coleman Gives NO Medical Proof The COVID-19 Jab is Murder, Relies On Discredited Research Report | Lead Stories
 

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Incorrect. You need to brush on up what zero means.
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No he doesn't. He didn't say zero. You do know that when someone says "not statistically different from zero" or something similar, it doesn't literally mean zero don't you? If he meant literally zero he would have just said zero. Use your noggin. He added the word 'statistically' for a reason.
 

BlueE

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You realize in the last link it says "Earlier on Tuesday, NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant said authorities were aware of the media reports but were unable to determine the cause of her death" and "Her death has been referred to the coroner"?
So they did exactly what they should have done when the cause of death wasnt entirely obvious and referred the matter to the coroners office.
Died on 23rd August and referred to the coroner. The updated 3rd September media reported the family were understandably angry about her death being called a COVID-19 death, after findings from the coroner were handed down and the family revealed she died of pneumonia.

Then the media shouldn't come out and claim every death of a young person or 30 year old was caused by COVID-19, just becasue they had COVID -19 detected.

It makes it worse when these deaths are on official COVID-19 deaths statistics. The two 15 year olds are the only two 15 year old deaths recorded as COVID-19 deaths in Australia when there is no doubt according to their parents and even media, that the causes of death wasn't COVID-19.
 

owen87

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😂

No he doesn't. He didn't say zero. You do know that when someone says "not statistically different from zero" or something similar, it doesn't literally mean zero don't you? If he meant literally zero he would have just said zero. Use your noggin. He added the word 'statistically' for a reason.
You mean when he says

statistically zero risk
He's saying they're not actually at statistically zero risk?
 

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