Mandatory Vaccinations And Medical Exemptions

Are you for or against Mandatory Vaccinations

  • For

    Votes: 285 60.0%
  • Against

    Votes: 194 40.8%

  • Total voters
    475

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Lavender Bushranger

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He's already there

He's long been an advocate for marijuana, alternate health treatments, hunting your own meat (especially elk) etc

I like his comedy, but i'd take his health advice with a grain of salt
FWIW, I like him.

I respect people's rights to their way of thinking, and in most cases, of doing.

And as such, I actually don't begrudge people for being anti-vax. In principle.

I get that people don't trust the government. I get that people don't want to put substances into their body. I get that people are happy to trust their own immune systems against stuff. I even get that people have authority issues and just don't want to do what the government tells them to do.

If someone ever tells me this, and just leaves it at that - I respect their choice. I don't Agree. But each to their own.

The issue I have, is that they very, very rarely (if ever) actually just leave it at that. Instead, they use shit reasons and justifications for their choices. Their 'research' becomes solely about validating their choices, rather than gathering facts to inform a choice.

Joe Rogan is the same. He, like so many others, has gone down the rabbit hole and made himself look like an idiot. Repeatedly.

It's like hunting, Liking horse racing, eating meat, being religious, whatever. Just own it, without scouring the internet for shit justifications for your choices.

This forum is littered with dickheads that have done exactly the same thing.
 
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The Falcon Strike

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It’s public health and it isn’t about transmission it’s about cutting down the cases that present to hospital clogging up the system

The vaccines are still amazingly good at keeping you out of hospital in general but especially out of ICU

So why not limit the calories of fat people who clog up the system ?

That’s public health too right ?
 

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The Falcon Strike

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Perhaps think about it a little. Is there a single action that can be measured so those groups can be divided into yes and no?

As for why WA has draconion rules it is because the Premier got re-elected on the back of them in one of the biggest electoral victories of all time. You get what you vote for.

Anyone with a BMI over 34 isn’t allowed in a fast food restaurant

Given obesity will lead to more deaths than coronavirus - why not ?
 

The Falcon Strike

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To be fair, there are shitloads of rules and restrictions that are in place 'for our own safety' that protect us from this type of thing.

Seatbelts. Speed limits. Gambling restrictions. Smoking restrictions. Drinking restrictions. Safety requirements for sports.

fu**, I got fined 20 bucks once for not wearing a bike helmet FFS.

Again - why not stop fat people eating unhealthy food? Why not ban contact sport ?

That would be good for us too
 

The Falcon Strike

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It's about both - and sadly your assertion that "then it appears in the real world vaccination has almost zero impact on omicron transmission" is wrong, very wrong.

It is absolutely true that the vaccines significantly reduced transmission of delta and other variants compared to people who are unvaccinated, and that the impact of the vaccine on transmission is reduced for Omicron - to say that the transmission rates are the same for vaccinated and unvaccinated is manifestly wrong. Especially as because the evidence is really clear that the vaccine should have always been a three dose vaccine (I hate the term booster - because what is now understood is that it should always have been a three dose primary program). What has in effect happened is that Omicron has hit at a time when a lot of people who were double dosed are seeing their immunity diminish - so this is distorting the numbers on whether the vaccine reduces transmission. There is emerging evidence that people who have had the booster are much less likely to transmit Omicron than those double dosed - who in turn are less likely to transmit than the unvaccinated.

So, locking unvaccinated people out of most places means they are: (a) less likely to be in a position to transmit the virus; (b) less likely to be in a place where they contract the virus.

As for your comment about having the same rules for other high risk activities - then ignoring the stupidity of the comment - the answer is we do. For example, someone over 100kgs isn't allowed to skydive, someone who is drunk isn't allowed to drive, someone who participates in high risk sports often has to take out special insurance policies and are banned from participating if they don't have that insurance.

All that said - some of the measures to be introduced in WA are just stupid and really just unashamedly punitive (which I don't care for personally). Take banning unvaccinated folks from bottle shops - it's unrealistic to think that every bottle shop will employ someone on the front door checking certificates - so it's only when you come to pay that there would ever be the chance to check - by which time the damage of transmitting or contracting the virus has already been done.

As for the cloth mask point - there's already moves to declare cloth masks as inappropriate and not falling within the classification of mandatory mask wearing.

Given I’m “very wrong”

I’m sure you have the data for it to back up that assertion - otherwise your little better than anti-vaxxer Facebook heroes

The head of Pfizer came out the other day and said double vaccination has a mostly zero impact
 

Lavender Bushranger

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Set up an app - let’s call it service WA

You have to go to your doctor to certify your BMI - then every 6 months you get a booster certification

That certification is logged on the app - so you check in to each venue and certify your BMI

ridiculous eh ?

What you wrote is, yes. Very poorly thought out and articulated.

But in principle it's not - if there's actually a reason to do this.

What is the reason?
 

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So why not limit the calories of fat people who clog up the system ?

That’s public health too right ?
I’m fully on board for a sugar tax personally

Unfortunately for COVID it doesn’t seem to have the lobbyists the fast food restaurants have

Also if you told me science had developed a safe injection that prevented me from getting fat I’d be all over it
 

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Given I’m “very wrong”

I’m sure you have the data for it to back up that assertion - otherwise your little better than anti-vaxxer Facebook heroes

The head of Pfizer came out the other day and said double vaccination has a mostly zero impact

Why do anti-vaxers reject anything that big pharma or the government, or even scientists say - unless there's a sentence that they believe supports their position? And then, what they say is word for word gospel.

Odd.
 

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Set up an app - let’s call it service WA

You have to go to your doctor to certify your BMI - then every 6 months you get a booster certification

That certification is logged on the app - so you check in to each venue and certify your BMI

ridiculous eh ?
Can people get a medical exemption if their obesity isnt caused by diet and is genetic or related to a medical cause??
 

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Absolutely they are

Heart disease, cancer etc - all increased significantly by obesity
Genetics are argued to be the biggest factor in both (smoking aside).

Not sure why you're targeting the poor fatties.

You should be pushing for genetic testing at birth, and rounding them all up.


But wait! I've had an idea....what if there was an injection that could prevent the disease associated with it!!?? duck, imagine that.
 

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Genetics are argued to be the biggest factor in both (smoking aside).

Not sure why you're targeting the poor fatties.

You should be pushing for genetic testing at birth, and rounding them all up.


But wait! I've had an idea....what if there was an injection that could prevent the disease associated with it!!?? fu**, imagine that.

Or they could eat healthy - duck - imagine that

Greatly reduce their risk of dying from
Covid too
 

The Falcon Strike

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Genetics are argued to be the biggest factor in both (smoking aside).

Obesity and poor diet leads to 50% of heart disease burden


Heart disease leads to 17500
Deaths a year (so 8000-9000 attributable to fatties

That’s double the corona deaths - and that’s only heart disease

Tell me why we aren’t treating fatties like leper’s
 

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Or they could eat healthy - fu** - imagine that

Greatly reduce their risk of dying from
Covid too

I know quite alot of people that eat healthy, and are overweight in terms of BMI.

But regardless, I'm not here to say that eating healthy and living a good lifestyle is a bad thing. But how is 'eat well and lose weight' in isolation, going to effectively respond to a pandemic? It's just not. It's the height of naivety to suggest that's the Pandemic response we should have rolled with.

So, we're talking 3-6 months until all the obese people lose weight to the point where they won't have to go to hospital for obesity related issues. Great. Great result for society.

But how does that approach translate to a global pandemic?

It's definitely not a bad thing, but 3-6 months just isn't fast enough to deal with a virus that kills millions of people, and hospitalises millions more.

And that's my point about the Vaccine - take a safe preventative measure, whilst you address other factors that could reduce your susceptibility.

But to say "just lose weight" is so just so idiotic it defies logic.