The Falcon Strike
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Only if they play tennis
Mandatory Vaccinations And Medical Exemptions
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Only if they play tennis
The Falcon Strike
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Has there been a sudden increase in heart disease and cancer in the last month or something?
Genetics are argued to be the biggest factor in both (smoking aside).
Not sure why you're targeting the poor fatties.
You should be pushing for genetic testing at birth, and rounding them all up.
But wait! I've had an idea....what if there was an injection that could prevent the disease associated with it!!?? *, imagine that.
The Falcon Strike
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Or they could eat healthy - * - imagine that
Greatly reduce their risk of dying from
Covid too
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Obesity and poor diet leads to 50% of heart disease burden
Disease burden of overweight, obesity and poor diet | Obesity Evidence Hub
Overweight and obesity is responsible for 8.4% of the total burden of disease in Australia.
www.obesityevidencehub.org.au
Heart disease leads to 17500
Deaths a year (so 8000-9000 attributable to fatties
That’s double the corona deaths - and that’s only heart disease
Tell me why we aren’t treating fatties like leper’s
The Falcon Strike
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Fatties dying - we need to protect them and our health system
Not allow them to work out, work, drink or eat - unless they make good health choices
The Falcon Strike
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I know quite alot of people that eat healthy, and are overweight in terms of BMI.
But regardless, I'm not here to say that eating healthy and living a good lifestyle is a bad thing. But how is 'eat well and lose weight' in isolation, going to effectively respond to a pandemic? It's just not. It's the height of naivety to suggest that's the Pandemic response we should have rolled with.
So, we're talking 3-6 months until all the obese people lose weight to the point where they won't have to go to hospital for obesity related issues. Great. Great result for society.
But how does that approach translate to a global pandemic?
It's definitely not a bad thing, but 3-6 months just isn't fast enough to deal with a virus that kills millions of people, and hospitalises millions more.
And that's my point about the Vaccine - take a safe preventative measure, whilst you address other factors that could reduce your susceptibility.
But to say "just lose weight" is so just so idiotic it defies logic.
Because you can’t catch fatness or spread fatness at an exponential rateObesity and poor diet leads to 50% of heart disease burden
Disease burden of overweight, obesity and poor diet | Obesity Evidence Hub
Overweight and obesity is responsible for 8.4% of the total burden of disease in Australia.
Heart disease leads to 17500
Deaths a year (so 8000-9000 attributable to fatties
That’s double the corona deaths - and that’s only heart disease
Tell me why we aren’t treating fatties like leper’s
As the the threat to the hospital system subsides so will the mandates
I’ve got a friend who exercises has ridden 100km on a mountain bike won medals in the Olympics in taekwondo he’s big he diets he’s just got the genes I don’t
I could never put on weight completely different metabolism
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In WA we have had controlled borders for nearly 2 years
Plenty of time to control the fatties lives
Hospitals could be empty by now
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And vaccination appears to have zero ability to reduce transmission of omicron
So that argument doesn’t hold water
It doesn’t grow near the rate that a virus does. Changes in rates of heart disease happen slowly over time and can be relatively easily dealt with by expanding hospitals. The same cannot be said for COVID.
Right, so, 'lose weight' in isolation is fantasy as a response.
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But locking people out of gyms is definitely good for public health
Crankyhawk
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Sugar taxes have been proposed by th AMA before.
Crankyhawk
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Can be difficult to have genuine discussion when what both parties consider as facts the other considers it nonsense. With no common ground it is impossible to engage the arguments therefore it becomes a battle to discredit (ie attack the man)
Ok...so eat healthy, life a healthy lifestyle, and go to the gym.
That's the plan to deal with a pandemic?
FWIW, I kept working out when the gym was shut. And, people for centuries stated fit without gyms.
Boosters do...they increase the effectiveness against symptomatic infection back to around 86%....
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That’s not transmission
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No that’s the plan to deal with public health - isn’t that the big issue ?
Covid as a proportion of deaths in this country is minuscule - why do 2-3000 deaths from Covid become more important ? It’s treated like some mystical beast
Authoritarian government telling you exactly how you should live to keep us safe
Next up - contact sport is banned because it causes too many broken bones in hospitals on the weekend
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Two responses:
1) r.e. Evidence is still emerging but here’s a very recent study that concluded transmission by vaccinated people is lower than for those unvaccinated, but best in those who’ve had the booster. It does show that the vaccine is less effective on the transmission rate for Omicron than Delta - which isn’t a bad thing given we have Delta in Australia still and it’s caused far more severe illness and greater rate of death. It’s why WHO are urging the pharmas to focus on adapting the vaccine to be more specific to Omicron.
Study findings suggest spread of Omicron can be ascribed to immune evasiveness rather than an increase in transmissibility
Researchers investigate the household transmission of the Omicron VOC and increased immune evasiveness of both the Omicron and Delta variants
www.news-medical.net
2) Using the fact that Pfizer boss was indicating issues in double vaxxed people as a counter argument to my post isn’t valid - given my point was clearly stating that you were wrong to state that the vaccines don’t work for transmission of Omicron if you look at those who’ve had the booster (i.e. I wasn’t talking about double vaxxed folks).
Anyway - enjoy dry February (and March, and April, and May…)
Look you just don’t get it the restrictions are easing now we could have been like Italy or New York but we weren’t
Because we had restrictions and mandates a whole lot of fatty dads and fatty mums sisters brothers and Grandparents are still alive
Just look at Australia’s death rate compared to other countries
you seem to be arguing for a higher death rate more fat people and old people to die
Yes it was I did laps round my local running track in winter soft gym junkies need some pills
It kinda is though....
This Danish study found "Furthermore, we show that fully vaccinated and booster-vaccinated individuals are generally less susceptible to infection compared to unvaccinated individuals. We also show that booster-vaccinated individuals generally had a reduced transmissibility (OR: 0.72, CI: 0.56-0.92), and that unvaccinated individuals had a higher transmissibility (OR: 1.41, CI: 1.27-1.57), compared to fully vaccinated individuals"
SARS-CoV-2 Omicron VOC Transmission in Danish Households
The Omicron variant of concern (VOC) is a rapidly spreading variant of SARS-CoV-2 that is likely to overtake the previously dominant Delta VOC in many countries by the end of 2021. We estimated the transmission dynamics following the spread of Omicron VOC within Danish households during...
