Covid-19 Mandatory vaccines

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https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...d-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf

In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated people it was 561 per 100,000, a more than 10-fold difference.
The rates of COVID-19 ICU admissions or deaths peaked in the fortnight 8 September to 21 September at 0.9 per 100,000 in 2-dose vaccinated people compared to 15.6 per 100,000 in unvaccinated people, a greater than 16-fold difference.
 
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I don’t understand what this means.

Vaccination lowers your chance of contracting the virus. Developing the disease. Developing a serious case of the disease. Passing the virus on. Hospitalisation. Death.
Exactly, you’re vaccinated so what’s the issue been around an unvaccinated person.. the vaccine does its job
 

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Teddy is basically saying that if you are vaccinated , you should feel safe, and not give a crap about ...
how much it spreads, how many other people catch it, how many people die.

It highlights the selfish approach that some people have taken throughout the pandemic. I still can't believe that some people have taken such a strong stance against simple things like wearing a mask.
What rubbish.. how does that correlate to me not caring how many people die.. You bringing up something like that is a cheap shot drawn to gauge emotion to your argument. Flip it, is 100 people losing their livelihoods and homes acceptable? Would only 1 COVID life taken be acceptable correlation to that?

The vaccine works and we have 90% double dose, mandate vulnerable settings like healthcare and aged care and move on. Mandating every worksite, retail, pubs, clubs is nothing more than spite by Andrews serving no purpose whatsoever. Masks, please don’t get me started on the outdoor mandates there.. I understand indoors but that was ridiculous
 

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You can look at right now which sits at 775000 which with a population of 332000000 = .233% which is nudging one in every four hundred americans dead with somewhere between 100 and 1000 dying every single day.
With the way things have gone the past couple of years, I cannot trust any figure. That still seems a small figure to me.


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clogging up hospitals, spreading it more.
Not good enough.

If there was no pandemic, hospitals would still be clogged up, as they are run that way.
 

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With the way things have gone the past couple of years, I cannot trust any figure. That still seems a small figure to me.


Not good enough.

If there was no pandemic, hospitals would still be clogged up, as they are run that way.
we would have less ramping in ED, less ambulance ramping. SUre hospitals operate at 100% capacity normally, that is correct, but it is the time taken to wait in ED for beds which have really blown out for non covid patients now.
 

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we would have less ramping in ED, less ambulance ramping. SUre hospitals operate at 100% capacity normally, that is correct, but it is the time taken to wait in ED for beds which have really blown out for non covid patients now.
Ramping in the media is something that annoys me a bit.

Based on your post, you'd think it's a big deal? I've seen footage of supposed ramping at the Northern Hospital being used to demonstrate a huge problem.

I live near the Northern Hospital and travel past a lot when going to Epping Plaza. "Ramping" does not occur that often. Even when you see 4-5 ambos spilling outside the bay, there are almost always no paramedics in them.
 

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Ramping in the media is something that annoys me a bit.

Based on your post, you'd think it's a big deal? I've seen footage of supposed ramping at the Northern Hospital being used to demonstrate a huge problem.

I live near the Northern Hospital and travel past a lot when going to Epping Plaza. "Ramping" does not occur that often. Even when you see 4-5 ambos spilling outside the bay, there are almost always no paramedics in them.
the 4-5 ambos outside the bay (along the road between shops and the hospital) is in addition to the 8 already parked in the bay. Yes, the ambos are inside with the patients (unless they have covid, then we go out to see if they can go straight to ward - like I said it is currently easier for COVID patients, and even when we had a lot of covid it was still easier for covid +ve compared to non covid patients to get to ward for the most part)

the issue is more that ambo crews sitting inside ED waiting to offload = crews that cannot respond to new cases.
And Northern, while it was made public with a photo which showed 20 ambulances outside (12 queued on the road) actually handle ambulance ramping/ offload better than pretty much any other victorian ED

Ambulance patient transfers | Victorian Agency for Health Information (vahi.vic.gov.au)

you can select various hospitals to compare the median time it takes to get off ambulance, how many patients get off ambulance within 40 mins as a percentage, and also number of ambulances/ 3 month period
 

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Do you think the chance of catching it is greater if you are vaccinated or unvaccinated.
It depends on the gender, age group and how long since you had the vaccine. This is from a study in Sweden that showed vaccine effectiveness of BNT162b2 (Pfizer) against infection waned progressively from 92% at day 15-30 to 47% at day 121-180, from day 211 no effectiveness could be detected, and after that the efficacy went negative ie you are more likely to get infected if you had been vaccinated.


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as i have said before i won't cry if vaccine mandates are removed, but it does make my job just that little bit easier.
As I said in my OP there could be a case for the mandate if it was a temporary measure designed to encourage vaccine uptake. But we are now at 87% fully vaxxed. We should be in the National Cabinet Final post-vaccination phase

Australia will seek to treat COVID-19 like any other infectious disease, with the goal to minimize cases without ongoing restrictions or lockdowns.​
I would suggest that making your job a little bit easier doesn't weigh up too well against thousands of people losing their ability to earn a living - many of them health professionals.
 

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As I said in my OP there could be a case for the mandate if it was a temporary measure designed to encourage vaccine uptake. But we are now at 87% fully vaxxed. We should be in the National Cabinet Final post-vaccination phase

Australia will seek to treat COVID-19 like any other infectious disease, with the goal to minimize cases without ongoing restrictions or lockdowns.​
I would suggest that making your job a little bit easier doesn't weigh up too well against thousands of people losing their ability to earn a living - many of them health professionals.
Don’t care. Nothing stopping them from being vaccinated. Choice is irrelevant
 

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as i have said before i won't cry if vaccine mandates are removed, but it does make my job just that little bit easier.
I will cry. The pandemic aint going away without vaccine mandates. Look at whats happening in europe right now.

we need 100 percent vaccine mandates for those who aint ill. Its the only way to keep covid managable each winter and go back to our lives.
 

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