Covid-19 Mandatory vaccines

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https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...d-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf

In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated people it was 561 per 100,000, a more than 10-fold difference.
The rates of COVID-19 ICU admissions or deaths peaked in the fortnight 8 September to 21 September at 0.9 per 100,000 in 2-dose vaccinated people compared to 15.6 per 100,000 in unvaccinated people, a greater than 16-fold difference.
 
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If you have a doctor check up including blood tests, its one of the things they often screen for.
I wasn't surprised i had it, i hibernated in winter and you produce less D as you get older.
I was surprised my son had it, video game lifestyle i guess.
It doesn't take a lot of sunshine to top your Vit D level up. But supplements are very cheap and effective.

Maybe we should have a Vitamin D mandate?
 

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It doesn't take a lot of sunshine to top your Vit D level up. But supplements are very cheap and effective.

Maybe we should have a Vitamin D mandate?
If you already have enough its unnecessary but harmless.
Put it in the water supply with the flouride :D

With all the kids playing video games now, and apartment life being all the rage, its probably a good idea.
I guess some people are giving their kids a "vita gummy " each day.
 

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It doesn't take a lot of sunshine to top your Vit D level up. But supplements are very cheap and effective.

Maybe we should have a Vitamin D mandate?
There pretty much is in aged care. And the definition of vit D deficiency was revised upward from 25 to 50 (I forget the units).
Sunshine works but there’s tension between endocrine people and the plastics/ dermatology people (skin cancer risks)
 

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If you already have enough its unnecessary but harmless.
Put it in the water supply with the flouride :D

With all the kids playing video games now, and apartment life being all the rage, its probably a good idea.
I guess some people are giving their kids a "vita gummy " each day.
Not entirely harmless

 

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Part of the winter thing as well is in Europe ‘20 summer everyone went apeshit partying wise and no one was vaccinated …so of course from leading into winter infections were already skyrocketing. Probably same thing this year …summer and more people mixing ..some countries vax rates not high enough
 

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Week 45.

Cases per 100,000 for fully vaxxed 40-49 age group was 2,111. Cases per 100,000 for unvaxxed was 933. You are more than twice as likely to be infected if you are vaxxed than if you are not.

The deaths in that age group was 40 unvaxxed vs 38 vaxxed. Not really a factor.
My favourite part is how you switch per 100,000 or total depending on what suits you best.
 

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Not long to go for vaccine mandates in Victoria. Andrews policy tends to lag The Age opinion pieces by a couple of days.

the Victorian government intends to extend the lockout of the unvaccinated throughout 2022. This is disproportionate to the risks the unvaccinated pose in a population that will reach at least 93 per cent two-dose coverage by year’s end.​


Public health experts say Victoria’s lockout of unvaccinated people should end when vaccine rates top 90 per cent, with one saying the threat of indefinitely banning people from cafes and cinemas is contributing to radicalisation.​
Leading pandemic specialists Julie Leask, Catherine Bennett and Tony Blakely argue Victoria’s vaccination rate, on track to reach 95 per cent next month, is high enough to protect the state from any increased transmission that might happen if unvaccinated were given the same rights as those who’ve had their jabs.​

 

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Not long to go for vaccine mandates in Victoria. Andrews policy tends to lag The Age opinion pieces by a couple of days.

the Victorian government intends to extend the lockout of the unvaccinated throughout 2022. This is disproportionate to the risks the unvaccinated pose in a population that will reach at least 93 per cent two-dose coverage by year’s end.​


Public health experts say Victoria’s lockout of unvaccinated people should end when vaccine rates top 90 per cent, with one saying the threat of indefinitely banning people from cafes and cinemas is contributing to radicalisation.​
Leading pandemic specialists Julie Leask, Catherine Bennett and Tony Blakely argue Victoria’s vaccination rate, on track to reach 95 per cent next month, is high enough to protect the state from any increased transmission that might happen if unvaccinated were given the same rights as those who’ve had their jabs.​

I disagree .
We still have higher case loads than the other states. ( possibly our crap spring weather a factor ).
Our hospital rate is still as much as it was late September.
The vaccinated admitted to hospital are still a minority.

An arbitrary state vaccine percentage is not a good indicator to use for the decision process.
Some of the LGA's that are , and always have been the worst area's for Covid, are also lagging in vaccination.

People insist on wanting the health and safety decisions to be based on their political opinion.
Why 90% state average?
Supporting argument? ( of course not, 90% ...seems good ).
 

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It is true about everything being put down as COVID, when it exploded in the USA I heard it on American news , now we all know that media all over the world are full of it. So not much point any more!
It's extraordinary they way they are doing the stats.

It's seem a bit strange since day 1 according to the authorities on the news
 

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It's extraordinary they way they are doing the stats.

It's seem a bit strange since day 1 according to the authorities on the news
According to Australian Guidelines this would not be classed as a Covid-19 death because it was due to trauma. But otherwise, if someone dies and has tested positive for the Sars-Cov-2 virus, by default it is counted as a COVID-19 death. When they have died from heart attack, cancer, Parkinsons, Alzheimer's.

The media is especially keen to highlight anyone under 50 who dies "with Covid". Then you look into the story and they mention co-morbidities.
 

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It doesn't matter. There seems to be general agreement on it now.

But as the article I quoted states, vitamin D deficiency is a major factor in compromising people's immune systems. It's particularly a problem for darker skinned people in winter. Supplements to address this are very cheap and very safe. But strangely there's never been any emphasis on it by health providers, the media or government.
Bingo. This point was highlighted many pages ago. It's like vaccinations are all that is needed. When was the last time folk were given dos and donts of covid prevention addintional to the shots? Vit D and 5000 steps a day should be promoted. But nah. fu** the immunity system, fu** cardiovascular health.
 

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It doesn't take a lot of sunshine to top your Vit D level up. But supplements are very cheap and effective.

Maybe we should have a Vitamin D mandate?
Health education has been woeful. Though some places distibuted it freely to fams. Prob need high dosages initially. Poor quality meds won't be absorbed that well so brands should be checked. Darker skin tones need more supplementation/exposure. Sun exposure is much more effective for the suggested time between 10 and 2 when sun is highest. Some national health bodies, eg UK, don't even recommend folk get a vit d level test to learn if they are deficient or not.
 

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Not long to go for vaccine mandates in Victoria. Andrews policy tends to lag The Age opinion pieces by a couple of days.

the Victorian government intends to extend the lockout of the unvaccinated throughout 2022. This is disproportionate to the risks the unvaccinated pose in a population that will reach at least 93 per cent two-dose coverage by year’s end.​


Public health experts say Victoria’s lockout of unvaccinated people should end when vaccine rates top 90 per cent, with one saying the threat of indefinitely banning people from cafes and cinemas is contributing to radicalisation.​
Leading pandemic specialists Julie Leask, Catherine Bennett and Tony Blakely argue Victoria’s vaccination rate, on track to reach 95 per cent next month, is high enough to protect the state from any increased transmission that might happen if unvaccinated were given the same rights as those who’ve had their jabs.​

I now agree with you, Dan needs to back off restrictions on the unvaxxed and disappear from further intrusions; provided the science is correct re 90% equating to adequately reduced risk, which seems to be so given NSW has suggested similar. But, doesn’t diminish fact that those who refused to get vaxxed without proper cause freeloaded.
 

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I now agree with you, Dan needs to back off restrictions on the unvaxxed and disappear from further intrusions; provided the science is correct re 90% equating to adequately reduced risk, which seems to be so given NSW has suggested similar. But, doesn’t diminish fact that those who refused to get vaxxed without proper cause freeloaded.
NSW is warmer, and it doesn't seem to spread so easily.
We have RL data right now, no need to guess.

Release the spreaders and we could easily double the cases in Hospital.
 

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NSW is warmer, and it doesn't seem to spread so easily.
We have RL data right now, no need to guess.

Release the spreaders and we could easily double the cases in Hospital.
Oh, if that’s indeed the case, then it’s important to proceed with the restrictions. It’s all about the objective science and what the effect would likely be if the risk comes to fruition.
 

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