Covid-19 Mandatory vaccines

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Crankyhawk

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Oh side effects.

Headache, temporary heart issues (that might coincidently highlight some other unknown health issue).

What are we arguing here. Your career, paycheck over a temporary possibility. Is that your argument

meaningless troponin bumps, not even real heart issues. And many more worried well who come to ED with "chest pain"
 

pc79

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Latest studies show triple the transmission from unvaccinated as vaccinated.

Lower deaths. Lower injuries. Less long Covid.

Get off the anti-vax train. It's a cardboard box in your idiot mates backyard.

The all electric, high speed rail of vaccination is where it's at, bro.
Haha, I wouldn't consider myself antivax at all.

You can have your high speed electric mate. I'll take the hyperloop to sensible city. 👍
 

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It's natural to be swayed by bad information if you're not equipped to handle it.

Have they reported these "health issues"? They would be big news if these could be linked to the vaccines. Get them onto their doctors or just get them to submit the reports themselves.

They have a duty to report and prove these vaccines cause health issues.

This would be worldwide news. Get on it.

With respect, that reminds me of the famous Margaret thatcher “what are their names”

There is material from both sides, but only a small amount conclusive.
 

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awaremind

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Panicky chest pain post jab is not
It's natural to be swayed by bad information if you're not equipped to handle it.

Have they reported these "health issues"? They would be big news if these could be linked to the vaccines. Get them onto their doctors or just get them to submit the reports themselves.

They have a duty to report and prove these vaccines cause health issues.

This would be worldwide news. Get on it.
So many people are out there either claiming to be censored or not listened to be health professionals. This vaccine business is undermining faith in both journalism and doctors.
 

Leeda

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Yep…strap them all to the bed…ask them a few questions and keep them under surveillance…
hoc..step and voila…you have a belligerent person…who refuses to comply..
 

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So many people are out there either claiming to be censored or not listened to be health professionals.
And yet someone can get a report into VAERS claiming the vaccine turned them into The Incredible Hulk.

Seems they just aren't...

csi miami GIF


credible.
 

pc79

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Oh there's a big list.

Anything by Malone is prime lie territory.

That YouTube guy with a PhD in nursing education is getting into some fringe sh*t lately.

Alex Jones. Clive Palmer is dipping his oar in Covid denial. Lots of little scammers picking away every day.

You should check all these guys out.
Clive is prime risk of this thing. Ironic if he goes down.
Oh there's a big list.

Anything by Malone is prime lie territory.

That YouTube guy with a PhD in nursing education is getting into some fringe sh*t lately.

Alex Jones. Clive Palmer is dipping his oar in Covid denial. Lots of little scammers picking away every day.

You should check all these guys out.
Why would 'dr/nurse' be considered a loon when most of his talks are backed either statistically or by peer reviewed analysis? Most of his talks are not heresy. I was sceptical when I first watched because of your points but there's not too much to argue against when a lot of the information presented has anticipated the future.
There is a record of results that occur based upon anticipated outcomes. While he's no epidemiologist/ virologist and he may be discounted as just a nurse; much of what has been presented has played out.
How about Russell Brand/Joe Rogan? Anti vaxxers? Or just providing a platform for both sides to have a discussion?
Malone is grey. Clive Palmer/Alan Jones are both in the at risk zones. Would be ironic if they were brought down.

Next.. is it possible to be pro vaccine/anti mandate? Your NT Premier doesn't seem to think so.. sounds like he's a raving lunatic with no common sense (regardless of the indigenous protection slant)
 

Chief

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Why would 'dr/nurse' be considered a loon when most of his talks are backed either statistically or by peer reviewed analysis? Most of his talks are not heresy. I was sceptical when I first watched because of your points but there's not too much to argue against when a lot of the information presented has anticipated the future.
There is a record of results that occur based upon anticipated outcomes. While he's no epidemiologist/ virologist and he may be discounted as just a nurse; much of what has been presented has played out.
He has been good at times, but he strayed well into promoting some pre-print stuff, touted a conference presentation as a scientific paper.

He has presented some sketchy stuff and then said "Why aren't the mainstream media talking about this? It's huge if true!" when it is no such thing and he should know better as an educator of health professionals. Fine if he goes back and corrects himself, but he hasn't and he has fed the anti-vax scene.

From 2 days ago:

 

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awaremind

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Clive is prime risk of this thing. Ironic if he goes down.

Why would 'dr/nurse' be considered a loon when most of his talks are backed either statistically or by peer reviewed analysis? Most of his talks are not heresy. I was sceptical when I first watched because of your points but there's not too much to argue against when a lot of the information presented has anticipated the future.
There is a record of results that occur based upon anticipated outcomes. While he's no epidemiologist/ virologist and he may be discounted as just a nurse; much of what has been presented has played out.
How about Russell Brand/Joe Rogan? Anti vaxxers? Or just providing a platform for both sides to have a discussion?
Malone is grey. Clive Palmer/Alan Jones are both in the at risk zones. Would be ironic if they were brought down.

Next.. is it possible to be pro vaccine/anti mandate? Your NT Premier doesn't seem to think so.. sounds like he's a raving lunatic with no common sense (regardless of the indigenous protection slant)
Z Dogg is Vax n Chill
 

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How about Russell Brand/Joe Rogan? Anti vaxxers? Or just providing a platform for both sides to have a discussion?
The whole platform for both sides thing is great and balanced on some issues. But equal time for discredited or fraudulent theories is not balanced.
 

Leeda

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Another user posted that channel - apologies I have forgotten who it was. Thanks to them in any case.
I said nothing of the kind….operation steely Dan….crumple that paper in your tight paw…Jordan Peterson
shoves the ropes over and under..
 

awaremind

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Nah. You can say lots and lots of random stuff, then bend your rubbish around actual events and tell everyone you're a genius.

Forget all the crazy stuff that never came about. You never bring that up again.
Like what?
 

pc79

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Is McGowan a lunatic?

Isn't it abundantly clear now that:
Vaccinations do not prevent infection, or the spread (yes as per Chief's note it reduces the severity, and duration therefore lessens the likelihood, but they are all extremely leaky)
Natural immunity is more effective than vaccine induced immunity.
Only the elderly and already sick really have anything to worry about, particularly now omicron is about.

Isn't it about time people contest these draconian and authoritarian measures? Or are we all happy to be complicit in the removal of freedoms that only two years ago everyone would have been aghast at? Are people so scared of the virus that they're allowing the government to take control of bodily autonomy?

We have given a god like status to drugs rolled out by mass pharmaceutical companies on an emergency use authorisation (they haven't yet been approved through the normal channels of scientific investigation). In 20 years Moderna failed to have a single patent approved for any drug they were trialling. Furthermore, which of the 15 globally approved vaccines should we take, or are any of them fine, so long as you comply and continue to get your boosters? What about naturally recovered people?

IF the vaccination was proven to be super effective, and IF this disease was a real threat to the majority of the population then yes, mandate away. But we're talking about a virus that has negligible danger to the majority of the population, particularly anyone under 30, or anyone fit and healthy under 60.

I think there are still more questions than answers and as the pandemic has played out, much of the rhetoric we heard in the early to mid stages of the situation have been rolled back, or proven to be questionable. Even now.. News reports are still signalling the dangers of the virus.. '38 people died from COVID today in NSW', 160 people in ICU.. OK that's all terrible, but what are the actual details? What are their age ranges? How many of them were already heavily compromised? How many of them had zero other illnesses? They don't tell you this because clickbait, and a good story trumps the truth. **EDIT found this News - COVID-19 (Coronavirus) statistics

Could many of the unvaccinated in ICU suffering from other severe illnesses, be on a multitude of drugs and be reluctant to add another intervention that may jeopardise their ongoing treatment?

It's all worth a conversation, and not be shut down as an antivaxxer when the narrative is questioned as evidence mounts against mandating vaccination of a fairly mild disease.
 
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