So many people are out there either claiming to be censored or not listened to be health professionals. This vaccine business is undermining faith in both journalism and doctors.
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Yep…strap them all to the bed…ask them a few questions and keep them under surveillance…
hoc..step and voila…you have a belligerent person…who refuses to comply..
hoc..step and voila…you have a belligerent person…who refuses to comply..
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Something is witty in the care..
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Hung twenty five….And yet someone can get a report into VAERS claiming the vaccine turned them into The Incredible Hulk.
Seems they just aren't...
credible.
Clive is prime risk of this thing. Ironic if he goes down.
Why would 'dr/nurse' be considered a loon when most of his talks are backed either statistically or by peer reviewed analysis? Most of his talks are not heresy. I was sceptical when I first watched because of your points but there's not too much to argue against when a lot of the information presented has anticipated the future.
There is a record of results that occur based upon anticipated outcomes. While he's no epidemiologist/ virologist and he may be discounted as just a nurse; much of what has been presented has played out.
How about Russell Brand/Joe Rogan? Anti vaxxers? Or just providing a platform for both sides to have a discussion?
Malone is grey. Clive Palmer/Alan Jones are both in the at risk zones. Would be ironic if they were brought down.
Next.. is it possible to be pro vaccine/anti mandate? Your NT Premier doesn't seem to think so.. sounds like he's a raving lunatic with no common sense (regardless of the indigenous protection slant)
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Shuffle…chuckle…chief has no business being sensible
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He has been good at times, but he strayed well into promoting some pre-print stuff, touted a conference presentation as a scientific paper.
He has presented some sketchy stuff and then said "Why aren't the mainstream media talking about this? It's huge if true!" when it is no such thing and he should know better as an educator of health professionals. Fine if he goes back and corrects himself, but he hasn't and he has fed the anti-vax scene.
From 2 days ago:
Z Dogg is Vax n Chill
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The whole platform for both sides thing is great and balanced on some issues. But equal time for discredited or fraudulent theories is not balanced.
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I said nothing of the kind….operation steely Dan….crumple that paper in your tight paw…Jordan Peterson
shoves the ropes over and under..
Ba ha ha who was right all along ba ha ha
You have any idea how many people had tan ties when I predicted this
Yep, it was inevitable and will continue to be rolled back globally as more 'science is followed'.
So do you
Like what?
Is McGowan a lunatic?
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Isn't it abundantly clear now that:
Vaccinations do not prevent infection, or the spread (yes as per Chief's note it reduces the severity, and duration therefore lessens the likelihood, but they are all extremely leaky)
Natural immunity is more effective than vaccine induced immunity.
Only the elderly and already sick really have anything to worry about, particularly now omicron is about.
Isn't it about time people contest these draconian and authoritarian measures? Or are we all happy to be complicit in the removal of freedoms that only two years ago everyone would have been aghast at? Are people so scared of the virus that they're allowing the government to take control of bodily autonomy?
We have given a god like status to drugs rolled out by mass pharmaceutical companies on an emergency use authorisation (they haven't yet been approved through the normal channels of scientific investigation). In 20 years Moderna failed to have a single patent approved for any drug they were trialling. Furthermore, which of the 15 globally approved vaccines should we take, or are any of them fine, so long as you comply and continue to get your boosters? What about naturally recovered people?
IF the vaccination was proven to be super effective, and IF this disease was a real threat to the majority of the population then yes, mandate away. But we're talking about a virus that has negligible danger to the majority of the population, particularly anyone under 30, or anyone fit and healthy under 60.
I think there are still more questions than answers and as the pandemic has played out, much of the rhetoric we heard in the early to mid stages of the situation have been rolled back, or proven to be questionable. Even now.. News reports are still signalling the dangers of the virus.. '38 people died from COVID today in NSW', 160 people in ICU.. OK that's all terrible, but what are the actual details? What are their age ranges? How many of them were already heavily compromised? How many of them had zero other illnesses? They don't tell you this because clickbait, and a good story trumps the truth. **EDIT found this News - COVID-19 (Coronavirus) statistics
Could many of the unvaccinated in ICU suffering from other severe illnesses, be on a multitude of drugs and be reluctant to add another intervention that may jeopardise their ongoing treatment?
It's all worth a conversation, and not be shut down as an antivaxxer when the narrative is questioned as evidence mounts against mandating vaccination of a fairly mild disease.
Austria’s sweeping vaccine mandate a test case for democracies
Police will soon be able to check vaccination status at traffic stops in the first Western democracy to make the jabs compulsory for almost all adults.
Isn't it abundantly clear now that:
Vaccinations do not prevent infection, or the spread (yes as per Chief's note it reduces the severity, and duration therefore lessens the likelihood, but they are all extremely leaky)
Natural immunity is more effective than vaccine induced immunity.
Only the elderly and already sick really have anything to worry about, particularly now omicron is about.
Isn't it about time people contest these draconian and authoritarian measures? Or are we all happy to be complicit in the removal of freedoms that only two years ago everyone would have been aghast at? Are people so scared of the virus that they're allowing the government to take control of bodily autonomy?
We have given a god like status to drugs rolled out by mass pharmaceutical companies on an emergency use authorisation (they haven't yet been approved through the normal channels of scientific investigation). In 20 years Moderna failed to have a single patent approved for any drug they were trialling. Furthermore, which of the 15 globally approved vaccines should we take, or are any of them fine, so long as you comply and continue to get your boosters? What about naturally recovered people?
IF the vaccination was proven to be super effective, and IF this disease was a real threat to the majority of the population then yes, mandate away. But we're talking about a virus that has negligible danger to the majority of the population, particularly anyone under 30, or anyone fit and healthy under 60.
I think there are still more questions than answers and as the pandemic has played out, much of the rhetoric we heard in the early to mid stages of the situation have been rolled back, or proven to be questionable. Even now.. News reports are still signalling the dangers of the virus.. '38 people died from COVID today in NSW', 160 people in ICU.. OK that's all terrible, but what are the actual details? What are their age ranges? How many of them were already heavily compromised? How many of them had zero other illnesses? They don't tell you this because clickbait, and a good story trumps the truth. **EDIT found this News - COVID-19 (Coronavirus) statistics
Could many of the unvaccinated in ICU suffering from other severe illnesses, be on a multitude of drugs and be reluctant to add another intervention that may jeopardise their ongoing treatment?
It's all worth a conversation, and not be shut down as an antivaxxer when the narrative is questioned as evidence mounts against mandating vaccination of a fairly mild disease.
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Please show your working out.
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By evolving I mean the virus, not the response. Worded badly.
The virus is constantly evolving and exposure to it assists the immune response across society to deal better with it than an abrupt introduction of a evolved new strain.
The covid pandemic will no doubt become endemic like the flu or the common cold.
The general population needs to be flexible immunologically speaking and able to adapt.
With the flu we can see the really bad years are when totally new strains from outside the general community (Australia) are introduced bringing worse illness and higher death rates,
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stop with the bullshit about natural immunity being >> vaccination immunity. At best it is similar. I have not seen any credible evidence in favor of natural immunity when compared against vaccination. I have seen multiple cases of the "naturally immune" (having had PCR proven mild infection) representing with intubation and mechanical ventilation with another PCR proven infection.Is McGowan a lunatic?
Austria’s sweeping vaccine mandate a test case for democracies
Police will soon be able to check vaccination status at traffic stops in the first Western democracy to make the jabs compulsory for almost all adults.
Isn't it abundantly clear now that:
Vaccinations do not prevent infection, or the spread (yes as per Chief's note it reduces the severity, and duration therefore lessens the likelihood, but they are all extremely leaky)
Natural immunity is more effective than vaccine induced immunity.
Only the elderly and already sick really have anything to worry about, particularly now omicron is about.
Isn't it about time people contest these draconian and authoritarian measures? Or are we all happy to be complicit in the removal of freedoms that only two years ago everyone would have been aghast at? Are people so scared of the virus that they're allowing the government to take control of bodily autonomy?
We have given a god like status to drugs rolled out by mass pharmaceutical companies on an emergency use authorisation (they haven't yet been approved through the normal channels of scientific investigation). In 20 years Moderna failed to have a single patent approved for any drug they were trialling. Furthermore, which of the 15 globally approved vaccines should we take, or are any of them fine, so long as you comply and continue to get your boosters? What about naturally recovered people?
IF the vaccination was proven to be super effective, and IF this disease was a real threat to the majority of the population then yes, mandate away. But we're talking about a virus that has negligible danger to the majority of the population, particularly anyone under 30, or anyone fit and healthy under 60.
I think there are still more questions than answers and as the pandemic has played out, much of the rhetoric we heard in the early to mid stages of the situation have been rolled back, or proven to be questionable. Even now.. News reports are still signalling the dangers of the virus.. '38 people died from COVID today in NSW', 160 people in ICU.. OK that's all terrible, but what are the actual details? What are their age ranges? How many of them were already heavily compromised? How many of them had zero other illnesses? They don't tell you this because clickbait, and a good story trumps the truth. **EDIT found this News - COVID-19 (Coronavirus) statistics
Could many of the unvaccinated in ICU suffering from other severe illnesses, be on a multitude of drugs and be reluctant to add another intervention that may jeopardise their ongoing treatment?
It's all worth a conversation, and not be shut down as an antivaxxer when the narrative is questioned as evidence mounts against mandating vaccination of a fairly mild disease.
people who say "Ba ha ha "" have no credibility.
