Covid-19 Mandatory vaccines

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Basically for those two reasons alone its mandatory for that age group to get vaccines.
Well, no.

Do you see where you’re going wrong? How you’re taking a requirement to get vaccinated if you work in an industry and setting up a straw man? I do not think a mandate is required “if you’re in an age group that is more likely to take part in a particular activity” and this is not inconsistent with the idea that working in a particular industry means a mandate is probably valid.

In no way at all.
 

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Well, no.

Do you see where you’re going wrong? How you’re taking a requirement to get vaccinated if you work in an industry and setting up a straw man? I do not think a mandate is required “if you’re in an age group that is more likely to take part in a particular activity” and this is not inconsistent with the idea that working in a particular industry means a mandate is probably valid.

In no way at all.
who gives a toss if its an industry or not. Human life and coronaivirus spread is not constrained to just work. That is only one element of it.

nearly all humans under 35 either play sport or go to nightclubs At some point in their year. And all the others will interact with those people in confined settings such as in restaurants, in bed or in workplaces. in order to do this safely they need to all be vaccinated. Ergo basically everyone of those age groups needs to be vaccinated.

the whole selected workplace vaccination thing is only because people are in lockdown. once lockdowm ends everyone needs to get vaccinated. Life cant return to normal without everyone getting vaccinated.

can you stop pandering to anti vaxers and pretinding its only people from a couple of industries that need to get vaccinated. This is false.
 

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No doubt you have a spreadsheet. Printed out and stapled to a wall with pieces of red string pinned to those pages, the other end pinned to pictures of Jewish people.

How close am I to the truth here? I have a bet riding on it!
Only pictures of Jews I have is the women of the IDF insta page.

Any scientists you want to discredit today cause you don't like their shirt?
 

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Can't say that with certainty imo. Its a possibility, sure.

Which is an absolute indictment in itself. This was the story when covid kicked off last year, they've had 18 months to bolster the hospital system and/or build covid-specific facilities - whats been done?
The major stumbling block will be staffing.
 

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The internal chat board at work with regards to the WA, State Government mandate and the BHP mandate has gone from ridiculous to crazy, I'm surprised they haven't closed all the threads down and deleted them, the only reason would be they're afraid of getting accused of censorship in a company that prides itself on their, 'safe to speak up', environment.

We've gone from drilling down into the ingredients, adverse reactions, my choice, my body, to Nazis experimenting on Jews during the holocaust to BHP next taking a kidney off you or a slice of your liver to give it to someone more deserving. Chimpanzees have been thrown under the bus too.

When they're talking about ingredients, types of vaccinations etc, I'd be pretty confident that 100% wouldn't know the first thing about what they're talking about, they're just cutting and pasting what they read and regurgitating what they hear.

Someone posted up a screen shot up the other day, not attributed to anyone other than a screen grab of some nobody's blog that stated that those who get vaccinated are 13,000 more likely to get infected than those not vaccinated. They then grabbed it with both hands and ran with it, spreading it like it's gospel.

A work colleague that has just returned from break today, got his first jab on break down at Margaret River. He was terrified of getting it and had worked himself into such a state, sweating, elevated heart rate, the whole shebang, that after he got it, he fainted. He has shared this with everyone and they're now more terrified of it.

I have regular interactions with probably 20 people at work that we talk about it. There are 5 of us fully jabbed, 3 with one jab and the other dozen don't want it and are scared shitless.

The WA State Government mandate comes into effect on 01 Jan 2022 for all fifo and residential resource workers and the BHP, Australian wide mandate for all their workplaces, remote and urban comes into effect on 01 Feb 2021. I think I'll be seeing a lot of pride being swallowed between now and then.

With the rapid fall in the iron price and the uncertainty over China, maybe BHP see it as an easy way to get rid of 10 to 20% of their bloated workforce without having to pay out redundancies.
 
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Judges, MP and lawyers are Exempt from mandatory vax lol
I wonder if this is the first step in the legal discussions that will find these mandates invalid?

 

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I wonder if this is the first step in the legal discussions that will find these mandates invalid?

Probably not.

Can't stop judges and elected representatives from doing their job.

Stopping MPs would be disenfranchising their electorate. But of course they could video link in.
 

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Probably not.

Can't stop judges and elected representatives from doing their job.

Stopping MPs would be disenfranchising their electorate. But of course they could video link in.
See my post #23

The Liberal member for Monash, Russell Broadbent, will not be able travel to his electorate and will be locked out of his ministerial offices as he is not vaccinated. Parliament’s rules for operating virtually require MPs to use secure video links from their offices, not their homes. Effectively this means that Daniel Andrews has passed laws that prevent an elected Federal member participating in Parliament.
 

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See my post #23

The Liberal member for Monash, Russell Broadbent, will not be able travel to his electorate and will be locked out of his ministerial offices as he is not vaccinated. Parliament’s rules for operating virtually require MPs to use secure video links from their offices, not their homes. Effectively this means that Daniel Andrews has passed laws that prevent an elected Federal member participating in Parliament.
One less LNP member in parliament. Cool.
 

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I think my MP Neil Angus is refusing the vaccine is well. He does SFA for my community anyway so shouldn't really make a difference
 

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See my post #23

The Liberal member for Monash, Russell Broadbent, will not be able travel to his electorate and will be locked out of his ministerial offices as he is not vaccinated. Parliament’s rules for operating virtually require MPs to use secure video links from their offices, not their homes. Effectively this means that Daniel Andrews has passed laws that prevent an elected Federal member participating in Parliament.
The other view to that story could be argued that he is making a personal choice, that may reduce or remove his ability to represent his constituents.
I don't think either view is fair.



This is, at least, misinformation.
It's a short, powerful looking sentence. But it's fallacious.
Why ignore
1. Any Federal MP sitting virtually, has already reduced their capacity to fully participate.
2. There have been rules that have been adapted or changed, where reasonable, since the pandemic. This one can continue to change.
3. There is multiple reasons that a secure video link is required. It makes sense that it would be installed in their electorate office, but doesn't mean it's not possible to install it into certain homes, or to find some other way to connect securely.
4. The Federal parliament created the strict rules around virtual attendance.


Additionally, he previously reduced his capacity to participate in certain areas of Government before. When he stood down from "the speaker's panel and his committee chairmanship".
A small part of his reasoning was that he believed Greg Hunt misled him. The implication being that he would now mistrust Greg Hunt.
His very first statement in his list was.
“I’m uncomfortable with mass vaccination of the population, with the vaccine that is, according to Minister Hunt, being trialled across the world.”



So the story is based on a Facebook post by a Federal MP, explaining his position of mistrust, where he specifically mentions the Federal minister for health, Greg Hunt. And this Federal MP may not be able to participate in Federal Parliament, due to Federal Parliament rules, that could be modified again.

And the takeaway from this, is that "effectively this means that Daniel Andrews has passed laws that prevent an elected Federal member participating in Parliament."

But none of what I've just explained matters to certain people, because it's too much to read, or they will just disagree due to confirmation bias, or someone will throw in a quip that 'justifies' it being disregarded.
Because that sentence is short and looks powerful. While my multiple sentences are boring.
Which is part of why I support the requirements. Because in our current climate, it's seemingly impossible to combat misinformation/disinformation.
Misinformation.
 

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