- Banned
- #76
Sooouuurrrccceeeee?
Conspiracy board so it's probably legit
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
LIVE: St Kilda v Western Bulldogs - 7:30PM Thu
Squiggle tips Saints at 51% chance -- What's your tip? -- Team line-ups »
Sooouuurrrccceeeee?
My wife is immuno compromised. Her specialist has recommended she wait for now to see what data comes out of other jurisdictions with people in the same boat as her.Interesting:
There are few situations where someone can’t have a COVID vaccine for medical reasons. The criteria to receive a permanent medical exemption are very narrow and rarely required.
The only criteria are:
For live vaccines, such the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) and varicella vaccines, people who are significantly immunocompromised can get a permanent medical exemption. But this isn’t relevant for COVID vaccines because they’re not live vaccines.
- anaphylaxis following a previous dose of a COVID vaccine
- or previous anaphylaxis to any component of a COVID vaccine.
Nothing wrong with discrimination. Its only unjust or irrelevant discrimination that is wrong.But it's still discrimination based on the small chance that someone might be infected.
And you have to factor in the other components. Vaccinated people can be infected and infect someone just standing next to them when they breathed - or sneezed. If the vaccines work how are the vaccinated at risk from the non-vaccinated?
Choosing not to take the vaccine is not really a choice if your livelihood is taken away from you for not having it.
whats worse? Being forced to take a vaccine that is safe and effective and protects you from a contagious virus or being forced to be locked down. Surely the latter is far far far worse. Ive had the vaccine. Its impact is utterly insignficant. It wasted an hour of my day. Virtually no side effects. The impact of lock downs has been crushing.
Yeah you screwed yourself over with that argument.two massive differences Between gay people in the 80s and unvaccinated people today.
hiv wasnt transmissable by just standing next to an infected person when they breathed.
being gay wasnt a choice. choosing not to take a vaccine is a choice.
Talk about misreading the chain of posts. I said it wasnt a choice dude. That was one of my points of how it was different from unvaccinated people.Yeah you screwed yourself over with that argument.
Being gay is not a choice. Choosing not to abstain from higher risk homosexual activity is a choice.
It seems pretty obvious that someone like you would have have discriminated against gay people in the 80s.
that is not the usual reaction and even if it was a week of being sick is still far better then the lockdowns and seperations we have faced for the past two years (Not to mention the threat of getting covid).Just on this one point - thats your experience and thats fine, but its not everyone's. My wife and I got ours the same day, she was fine and much like you describe - I was in bed for 2 days straight and not completely right for probably 4, sickest I've been in years.
Now don't get me wrong, I've got plenty of sick leave, happy to take one for the team. But at the same time I've never had a reaction like that from any other inoculation I've had in my life, and there's a whole range of adverse side effects that, just on the available data, are a demonstrably higher chance of occurring than for other inoculations (honestly, its exactly what you'd expect from a vaccine developed in 12 months). Not high enough to stop me from getting it, but it might be for some, everyone's different.
Its an additional wrinkle, not one that happens often enough to negate the vaccine being a net positive in our current situation imo, but a wrinkle nonetheless - and probably one that gets resolved in another 5+ years once they've actually had the same time to develop and test the vax in the same extended processes that other vaccines have gone through.
no clear stats yet but its all pointing to roughtly around the following:Yep, totally get that argument, pretty much why I got vaxed myself (although specifically ensuring risk was as low as possible for my parents was in there too, so maybe a touch more selfish in motivation).
It would just be good to know how much we're minimising risk to everyone else, when the trade-off is looking like being restrictions on public venues and movement. Suspect that can't be accurately quantified though.
that is not the usual reaction and even if it was a week of being sick is still far better then the lockdowns and seperations we have faced for the past two years (Not to mention the threat of getting covid).
True some people have lost it all. But thats out of 16 million who have had a vaccine dose in australia. Imagine how many deaths and long covid experiences there would be if 16 million people had the virus and none of them were vaccinated. Instead of 10 deaths it would be 100000 deaths. Probably a number of fold more as hospitals would be overrun.Agree.
Would be cold comfort though to the families of the 10 or so people confirmed to have died from it, or the many more who have copped adverse reactions on the more serious side and are now on blood thinners or other meds for the rest of their life.
Yes. Cos it has to happen. We have no choice.Israel introduced a Covid Green Pass – a vaccine passport that allows double Pfizer vaccinated people to enter public spaces, including restaurants, hotels, clubs, cultural venues and large private gatherings. They are now changing the rules so that a third shot is required. Nearly 2 million people will lose their 'privileges' in the coming days.
The change in policy came after Israeli health officials and experts warned of a significant waning of immunity in people five or six months after their second Pfizer dose.Overseas studies have also shown the need for booster Pfizer doses after several months.A large and recent study by the University of Oxford found the efficacy of the Pfizer jab fell by 22 per cent per month – from an original 84 per cent for adults overall.
Is this the path Australia wants to go down? Booster jabs every few months to maintain your rights to earn a living, watch a game of footy, or take your family on holiday.
And our hospitals will not last two months if that was your policy.I would highly recommend vaccinations for the elderly and for healthcare workers. Then antibody tests, and booster shots if necessary. Also, the introduction of cheap, safe, effective treatments.
But mandatory vaccination for all to be able to live their normal lives is not justified.
Yep, I have an Israeli Green pass as I was given my Pfizer Vaccinations in Israel. I'ii gladly get my 3rd booster shot and any others required, just like I only recently re-did most of my previous vaccinations due to working in the MER.Israel introduced a Covid Green Pass – a vaccine passport that allows double Pfizer vaccinated people to enter public spaces, including restaurants, hotels, clubs, cultural venues and large private gatherings. They are now changing the rules so that a third shot is required. Nearly 2 million people will lose their 'privileges' in the coming days.
The change in policy came after Israeli health officials and experts warned of a significant waning of immunity in people five or six months after their second Pfizer dose.Overseas studies have also shown the need for booster Pfizer doses after several months.A large and recent study by the University of Oxford found the efficacy of the Pfizer jab fell by 22 per cent per month – from an original 84 per cent for adults overall.
Is this the path Australia wants to go down? Booster jabs everyfew6+ months to maintain your rights to earn a living, watch a game of footy, or take your family on holiday.
We have to open up sooner than later Vaccines are the only way, real anti vaxxers are small in number some will die badly others maybe luckier, but anti vaxxers are simply wrong , and some of them sound like the wokery of the world and climate change, like climate change , vaxxines have been happening for 70 or 80 years as climate change has been happening for several billion years, so logic says get vaccinated, or you MAY? may die bad, or get sicker than you would if you are vaccinated.
ARE WE SURE THE ANTI-VAXXERS AREN'T GREENIE FORMER HIPPIES WITH NOTHING TO DO?
i CAN'T BELIEVE THE STUPIDITY, VACCINES CUT THE ODDS, IF YOU DON'T TAKE IT, ITS LIKE ENTERING YOUR HORSE IN A RACE WITH OUT A JOCKEY AT ALL.
YOU MIGHT WIN.............. BUT YOU CAN'T WIN! Got it?
Go to any hospital and they are inundated with people rushing in after experiencing serious side effects after getting jabbed, not from people getting COVID, I know this Cos have Family treating them in HospitalsI view the vaccine more like a seatbelt. I wear a seatbelt for my own protection. If the driver of the vehicle who hits me in a head-on collision isn't wearing a seatbelt, that's their problem.
The argument that unvaccinated people take up more of our limited hospital resources is probably the only valid one for mandatory vaccination afaic.
But more people have died this year after receiving the Vaccine than people dying from COVID
Go to any hospital and they are inundated with people rushing in after experiencing serious side effects after getting jabbed, not from people getting COVID, I know this Cos have Family treating them in Hospitals
And our hospitals will not last two months if that was your policy.
But more people have died this year after receiving the Vaccine than people dying from COVID , all the stats are on the TGA website
Plus these ain’t vaccines so you can’t compare them to Vaccines of the past
Nothing been done. Its a disgrace. Whilst the media has spent too much time focusing on quarantine centres they should of been focusing on hospitals and increasing uni places for medical students.Can't say that with certainty imo. Its a possibility, sure.
Which is an absolute indictment in itself. This was the story when covid kicked off last year, they've had 18 months to bolster the hospital system and/or build covid-specific facilities - whats been done?
Never ceases to amaze me at how utterly pants on head, bump uglies with your sister….. whos also your mother …. Utterly s**t thick at maths you would have to be to compare vaccine reactions with unvaccinated deaths.True some people have lost it all. But thats out of 16 million who have had a vaccine dose in australia. Imagine how many deaths and long covid experiences there would be if 16 million people had the virus and none of them were vaccinated. Instead of 10 deaths it would be 100000 deaths. Probably a number of fold more as hospitals would be overrun.
What about anyone that plays community sport that involves no masks and lots of sweating, breathing and even tackling. Should anyone who plays community sport also have manadatory vaccines?Builders and the like - any manual labour - there’s probably a good argument for mandatory vaccination given heavy work in a dynamic workplace, close quarters, sweatin’ it up and breathin’ heavy in a manly way. Masks aren’t going to be that great and distancing isn’t going to be 100%.