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who cares what others have done or not done. If you think vax is so great, like myself, get vaxxed.
we are all going to catch it at some stage.
we are all going to catch it at some stage.
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Most people especially the ones left on this site now it looks like the thought police have cleaned it out, are gonna sing whatever tune they are told. Not much free thought left. Good post btw.There seems to be substantial agreement now that we don't need lockdowns. I'm saying the argument for vaccine mandates is without foundation.
Most people especially the ones left on this site now it looks like the thought police have cleaned it out, are gonna sing whatever tune they are told. Not much free thought left. Good post btw.
Most people especially the ones left on this site now it looks like the thought police have cleaned it out, are gonna sing whatever tune they are told. Not much free thought left. Good post btw.
The Unvaxxed 5% of the population is about half the covid Hospitalizations.
The rate of hospitalizations and covid ICU beds is undergoing a steppe raise.
If hat continues, and with covid now pretty rampant it's probably more likley than not, the Hospital system is going to be very very pressed,
If everybody was vaxxed that strian on the system due to covid would be about half.
It's not insignificant,
If the hospital system is over loaded there could be quite a few unnecessary deaths.
We may get out of this if the graphs tamper off , but we may not, the risks are real and quite large.
I don;t think vaccination should be mandatory, but If you are not, please consider it.
I know that vaccination is not without some risks, very very small as they are, but individual circumstances do vary, speak to your doctor. Make an informed responsible choice.
We aren’t allowed to.there is a thing called triage that can fix this. Prioritise beds by vaccination status and suddenly problem solved.
We aren’t allowed to.
I agree that governments should say sorry to Pfizer and Moderna and strip their patents for the good of the world. .Pfizer, BioNTech and Moderna making $1,000 profit every second while world’s poorest countries remain largely unvaccinated - World
News and Press Release in English on World about Health and Epidemic; published on 16 Nov 2021 by Oxfamreliefweb.int
I challenged you before on this claim of the 'anti-vax industry' making billions and you coughed up a fur ball and were embarrassed to continue. Why are you continue to rely on this delusionality?
The real villains in this story are Pfizer, BioNTech and Moderna making $1,000 profit every second while world’s poorest countries remain largely unvaccinated..
There seems to be substantial agreement now that we don't need lockdowns. I'm saying the argument for vaccine mandates is without foundation.
I understand that you don't define yourself as an anti-vaxxer. But wjen someone cherry picks and spreads a graph from Iceland - population 360,000 that shows a slightly higher rate of covid amongst vaccinated- a graph that has been doing the rounds on anti-vaccine sites. I call you an anti-vaxxer as its akin to selecting data in your favour from a regional city of Australia and ignoring the rest of Australia's data to try to justify an opinion.Jesus TF Christ. Do we have to do this all over again?
I call misinformation on the people like yourself who conflate
and paint it all as 'anti-vaxxer'.
- opposition to all vaccines
- opposition to Covid-19 vaccines
- a nuanced, evidence based position on Covid-19 vaccines
- opposition to vaccine mandates
I can't remember any posts by anyone opposing all vaccines or arguing against the Covid-19 vaccines.
I have argued that the elderly and people with significant comorbidities should be strongly encouraged to take the Covid-19 vaccines and boosters. But I don't think people who have had Covid-19 and recovered should be routinely vaccinated. I don't think there is evidence that children should be routinely vaccinated.
I am strongly against people being coerced into being vaccinated by authoritarian measures.
I made a thread that has highlighted several promising candidates for treatments, starting with the head of Pfizer acknowledging that the vaccines won't be the complete answer to the pandemic.
I was for the mandates late last year, but I'm unsure now and given the Omicron variant and whatever variant comes next, its drastically changed the whole landscape.
Unfortunately vaccinations don't appear to be reducing transmission of this variant much at all. Secondly, as a result of the variants, the vaccines are offering less protection and for less time. This shouldn't dissuade people from getting the vaccines available as the numbers bear it out, they greatly reduce risks of hospitalisation and death. I suppose the question will be, or does modelling show, how much the % of people vaxxed and boostered is alleviating strain on the health system. We don't have that data yet.
But the narrative of last year (which prevailed while many of us sat in endless lockdown to reduce transmission) that unvaxxed people are more dangerous to be around, no longer seems to hold water.
It's arguable (or I would argue) that the mandates have lead to many being vaxxed that otherwise would not have and thus, has reduced hospitalisations and deaths. But the vaccines don't seem to be offering any meaningful reduction in transmission (given it was developed for a different strain) so I'm not sure if the argument for mandates holds water. Definitely, restrictions on unvaxxed people entering venues and travelling domestically seems obsolete at this point.
Interested to know what the states on on transmission of Omicron in vaxxed vs unvaxxed people, but I'd be surprised if the difference is significant.
The unvaxxinated are "big pharma's" best friends.The real villains in this story are Pfizer, BioNTech and Moderna making $1,000 profit every second while world’s poorest countries remain largely unvaccinated..
And if 33 to 41% aren’t fully vaccinated (just the obverse of your statistics) and the unvaccinated in south Australia are only 12% of the population it shows that vaccination reduces your relative risk of hospitalisation.South Australia stats are a bit doolally but show fully vaccinated represent between 57% and 69% of those hospitalised. The 'one vaccine' did not keep those people safe.
Should I report you for misinformation?
Daily Hospitalisations by Vaccination Status - COVID Live
Live tracking of coronavirus cases, active, tests, deaths, ICU, hospitalisations and vaccinations in SAcovidlive.com.au
One vaccine to guarantee to safety- yes exaggeration if your quote is correctI was replying to a post that claimed 'one vaccine' would keep patients safe. And that the unvaxxinated are "big pharma's" best friends (because it costs much more to treat an unvaccinated person).
The stats tell us that the fully vaccinated represent between 57% and 69% of those hospitalised in SA. So both these claims appear to be misinformation.
Quebec just introduced a surcharge for unvaccinated who need hospitalization.
The stats tell us that the fully vaccinated represent between 57% and 69% of those hospitalised in SA. So both these claims appear to be misinformation.
Well done on misinterpreting data (again).South Australia stats are a bit doolally but show fully vaccinated represent between 57% and 69% of those hospitalised. The 'one vaccine' did not keep those people safe.
Should I report you for misinformation?
Daily Hospitalisations by Vaccination Status - COVID Live
Live tracking of coronavirus cases, active, tests, deaths, ICU, hospitalisations and vaccinations in SAcovidlive.com.au