March Election

[Firewalker]

Well the Liberals have already won something....

The Worst Political Ad ever


I couldn't care less either way but still their saying just makes a joke of the Party, "Redmond is Ready" . Plus I know Rann has got himself into hot water with that Chantelois woman but still the Liberals must be paying this lady to keep putting her face in the public eye, why else would she keep on publicizing and glorifying the fact that she slept around while she was a married woman.

 

[brucetiki]

Well the Liberals have already won something....

The Worst Political Ad ever


I couldn't care less either way but still their saying just makes a joke of the Party, "Redmond is Ready" . Plus I know Rann has got himself into hot water with that Chantelois woman but still the Liberals must be paying this lady to keep putting her face in the public eye, why else would she keep on publicizing and glorifying the fact that she slept around while she was a married woman.

They're jumping the gun a bit - the writs haven't been written yet, but then again 'they're not in control of their own destiny'

 

[crowman86]

I find the Gamers 4 Croydon party alluring.

I especially like their **** Michael Atkinson policy

http://www.gamers4croydon.org/

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I have been a labor voter all my life

Why?

 

[Dandy_GO]

I don't understand how people can change which party they vote for from election to election. Surely your beliefs and values align closer to Liberal or Labour and nothing changes them.

If political parties actually went even close to consistently aligning to the core values in their constitutions, then sure. At Federal level, I'm presently heavily in Labor's camp, yet having read their constitutions, I probably SHOULD be a Liberal voter. What a political party stands for, however, is what the majority of individuals (or, the more powerful individuals) within the party agree upon. Look at the differences between Howard's reign, to Turnbull's coalition, and now Abbott's. A good mate of mine is a young Liberal and has a heavy involvement in politics, but will actually be voting Labor this federal election (and hasn't been afraid to say so in party meetings) as he's become completely disenchanted with the policy suggestions Abbott, Joyce and co have made. Always voting for the same party sounds like an exercise in political ignorance, as, unless your views sit extremely in one direction yourself, and don't evolve, it is fairly unlikely that a party's views will always align with your own to a greater degree than all other parties for your entire life.

Anyway, I'll probably be voting Greens this state election, and will be hoping for the scenario that Vader's described in Canberra, mainly because I've largely lost faith in Rann, yet am really not sure the Liberals are presently fit to govern. A Rann government with a minority of seats, with the Greens holding the balance, would be the ideal scenario in my mind.

Will be very much hoping the psychopaths at Family First don't gain any more ground.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Sounds like emotional, flavour of the month thinking to me. There might be some tinkering around the edges but essentially you know what you are getting with the major parties.

And I'm amazed at the people you hear that are thinking of entering politics... but aren't sure which party they will represent. Just people with no core values and no substance IMO.

 

[brucetiki]

Sounds like emotional, flavour of the month thinking to me. There might be some tinkering around the edges but essentially you know what you are getting with the major parties.

And I'm amazed at the people you hear that are thinking of entering politics... but aren't sure which party they will represent. Just people with no core values and no substance IMO.

And these people are often put in seats they have no chance of winning. Someone I knew many years ago was a died in the wool Liberal supporter and yet at the last election he stood as a Labor candidate!

 

[brucetiki]

Anyway, I'll probably be voting Greens this state election, and will be hoping for the scenario that Vader's described in Canberra, mainly because I've largely lost faith in Rann, yet am really not sure the Liberals are presently fit to govern. A Rann government with a minority of seats, with the Greens holding the balance, would be the ideal scenario in my mind.

Will be very much hoping the psychopaths at Family First don't gain any more ground.

I personally find the Greens policies to be more extreme than Family First but each to their own. As I said earlier, when it comes to any balance of power in the past 10 years, we've gone from having a central party in the Democrats to the extreme left Greens and the extreme right Family First.

Certainly makes for a more interesting time up in the upper house.

 

[Cap]

reading this thread is what makes me sad about the state of politics in the country.

voting people on because a bit of work in the media over an expressway which both aprties are going to do anyway, worrying about a political party being "not ready to lead the state (when the hell is someone ready? for example how was Rudd ready to lead the country and redmond not ready ot lead the state??)

its an unfortunate situation that we tend to vote people with seemingly less ability than ourselves into these positions of power and watch them squander what little this state has to offer.

 

[jo172]

They're jumping the gun a bit - the writs haven't been written yet, but then again 'they're not in control of their own destiny'

Politically (obviously not governmentally) the writs are pretty much irrelevant now as the State Constitution states they must be issued 4 weeks before the election. Hence they will be issued on Saturday.

Also I got to say Redmond is ready reminds me too much of Rann gets results!

 

[jo172]

Sounds like emotional, flavour of the month thinking to me. There might be some tinkering around the edges but essentially you know what you are getting with the major parties.

And I'm amazed at the people you hear that are thinking of entering politics... but aren't sure which party they will represent. Just people with no core values and no substance IMO.

I think you've got it the wrong way around mate.

It's the major political parties that are lacking the core values. Consider the way the Libs turned their backs on classical liberalism, the way Hawke deregulated like crazy and Rann's destruction of work cover.

Parties no longer comsistantly stick to any core beliefs in the desparate rush to the centre to be electable.

Cappy I dare say the people under the opinion they will vote ALP because Redmond isn't ready are self-hating but died in the wool Labor voters who have become utterly disenchanted with Rann but follow Carl's one party for life philosophy

 

[Cap]

Fair enough, I agree with you regarding the major parties, they are no longer different.

All parties weather on a national or state level have minor differences but in the end they are all just wanting to be nice and easily electable governments.

My major gripe with SA specifically is the short term focus of every government regardless of how long they have been in power. I wish that both parties could come to a consensus on something and agree regardless of who is in power it will be done.
The problem with this is everything either party does has to have fan fare so its never going to happen.

 

[jo172]

Fair enough, I agree with you regarding the major parties, they are no longer different.

All parties weather on a national or state level have minor differences but in the end they are all just wanting to be nice and easily electable governments.

My major gripe with SA specifically is the short term focus of every government regardless of how long they have been in power. I wish that both parties could come to a consensus on something and agree regardless of who is in power it will be done.
The problem with this is everything either party does has to have fan fare so its never going to happen.

Alot of it is an Adelaide/South Australian cultural thing though.

The proposed Liberal South Torrens re-development is possibly the most exciting thing to happen to the City of Adelaide ever, but people instantly write it off as "too expensive" or "won't ever happen".

I don't think it that people don't want change, I think they've become too cynical about it for their own good further guaranteeing nothing will ever get done.

 

[jo172]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/in-depth/dont-back-labor-voters-tell-maywald/story-fn2sdwup-1225831958732

Karlene Maywald prepared to switch from Labor to Liberal
WATER Security Minister Karlene Maywald says she will support whichever party offers the best deal for regional South Australia after the election, after a new poll showed most of her constituents want her to jump ship and back the Liberal Party.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/in-depth/dont-back-labor-voters-tell-maywald/story-fn2sdwup-1225831958732

Interesting considering how initially in 2002 she was vehmently against forming a minority government with the ALP.

I never considered seriously the prospect of a minority Liberal government as I assumed Maywald would have her flag well and truly tied to Rann's masthead by now.

 

[Cap]

Alot of it is an Adelaide/South Australian cultural thing though.

The proposed Liberal South Torrens re-development is possibly the most exciting thing to happen to the City of Adelaide ever, but people instantly write it off as "too expensive" or "won't ever happen".

I don't think it that people don't want change, I think they've become too cynical about it for their own good further guaranteeing nothing will ever get done.

I agree it is an Adealide thing, even the good things we do we rusbbish them as well.

I agreed with a couple of people saying we have 1/3 of our population wanting us to be like melbourne (which we never will) 1/3 of the population wanting everything to stay the same (the north adelaide lot) and 1/3 of the population so sick of nothing getting done that they've given up.

As for Karleene, I have family in the Riverland and if she doesn't do something pretty special I think she may get a shock at the next election, most people feel like she has left them high and dry (literally in some cases) and abandoned the area.

 

[johnnypanther]

I have been a labor voter all my life, but there are some issues that have soured my alligence to them.

1. The liberals have the best plan for the city (inner city stadium)
2. Adelaide Oval is apparently a empty promise that will more than likely never eventuate and the Government have an out clause by saying that the SANFL and SACA couldnt agree

I gotta take issue with you on those 2 statements:
- if you can say that Adelaide Oval is apparently an empty promise then i think that one could probably say with even more probability that the Libs inner city stadium is an even emptier promise given its funding flaws.


PS By the way i do not support the AO proposal despite my comments above.

 

[KUNG FU]

I personally find the Greens policies to be more extreme than Family First but each to their own. As I said earlier, when it comes to any balance of power in the past 10 years, we've gone from having a central party in the Democrats to the extreme left Greens and the extreme right Family First.

Certainly makes for a more interesting time up in the upper house.

Probably, but at least the Greens are predictable. Despite having quite a few ludicrous policies, in practice they end up being quite a conservative force in parliament, voting down a lot of bills. If they were to ever get a meaningful coalition with Labor, then those at the centre might have reason to be concerned, but that won't happen in the near future. Family First aren't far right. They're just a populist flavour of month vague Christian values party, picking a principle when it suits them.

 

[jo172]

I gotta take issue with you on those 2 statements:
- if you can say that Adelaide Oval is apparently an empty promise then i think that one could probably say with even more probability that the Libs inner city stadium is an even emptier promise given its funding flaws.


PS By the way i do not support the AO proposal despite my comments above.

I think he'd prefer an unlikely shot at a good deal over a likelier shot at a shit deal stadium wise.

 

[brucetiki]

My major gripe with SA specifically is the short term focus of every government regardless of how long they have been in power. I wish that both parties could come to a consensus on something and agree regardless of who is in power it will be done.
The problem with this is everything either party does has to have fan fare so its never going to happen.

That's possibly because traditionally South Australia's parliaments are as topsy turvy as Italy's, with an higher than normal amount of minority governments and a higher than average change in government. I don't have the stats at hand, but there have been alot of 1 term governments in South Australia - if Labor get a third term then that is quite rare in SA.

 

[KUNG FU]

I agree it is an Adealide thing, even the good things we do we rusbbish them as well.

I agreed with a couple of people saying we have 1/3 of our population wanting us to be like melbourne (which we never will) 1/3 of the population wanting everything to stay the same (the north adelaide lot) and 1/3 of the population so sick of nothing getting done that they've given up.

As for Karleene, I have family in the Riverland and if she doesn't do something pretty special I think she may get a shock at the next election, most people feel like she has left them high and dry (literally in some cases) and abandoned the area.

Totally agree with this post.

I genuinely feel sorry for Maywald though. It was always a poisoned chalice. No one wants to front up to the fact that farming practices in the Riverland are unsustainable, especially the representative of Chaffey. In my opinion, almost a conflict of interest. Rann handing her the Water portfolio was pure Machiavelli - "princes must delegate distasteful tasks to others" - not only was he assured a working majority in 2002, but he gave Maywald the hardest job in government, but a job she could never refuse. Howard used the same move to test Turnbull in the Environment portfolio. If he succeeded, Howard wins government. If he failed, Howard keeps his ideological enemy from the leadership.

As for Adelaide, it is good to see a bit of vision from the Liberals, but its all MHS' policy work. However, I don't trust them to maintain that in government because firstly, their parliamentary members are overwhelmingly, but more importantly they haven't costed the majority of it and perpetual vertical fiscal imbalance ensures that they'll probably have to spread it over a couple terms. I actually do think that is one thing that Rann has in his corner is that he is willing to go against the reactionary Adelaide media when necessary, on things like the tram extension.

 

[Cap]

The Riverland is sustainable, probably just not in its current format.

@for Rann going against public opinion I do apprecate that is a good attribute to have as a pollie and especially a leader but his other attributes are IMO questionable and I have a massive distrust of him and Mr Foley who seem to run this place like they own it.

 

[Vader]

As for Karleene, I have family in the Riverland and if she doesn't do something pretty special I think she may get a shock at the next election, most people feel like she has left them high and dry (literally in some cases) and abandoned the area.

I don't think she'll be shocked at all. There's an article in the Ragvertiser today discussing her electoral woes. She knows she's living on the razor's edge and will be lucky to survive the election.

 

[KUNG FU]

The Riverland is sustainable, probably just not in its current format.

@for Rann going against public opinion I do apprecate that is a good attribute to have as a pollie and especially a leader but his other attributes are IMO questionable and I have a massive distrust of him and Mr Foley who seem to run this place like they own it.

I agree, of course Riverland is sustainable, but the vested interests in the region are opposed to any change so I doubt the political momentum will ever build to properly address the situation in the forseeable future. I doubt there'll be a political solution, nor do I think even the best intentioned government is capable of dealing with the current economic/cultural quagmire of the Murray.

Foley, well, less said the better. I do worry about who Rann's heir will be. Although I'm comforted by a strong belief Foley isn't genuinely in the running, I don't know who else they'll look to. I have much more time for Rann - despite the air of hubris following him at the moment.

 

[jo172]

Catching a cab home from the Fringe at 1:30 last night couldn't help but notice the Election posters up already allover Payneham Road.

Considering the writs were only issued an hour and a half before it's no mean feat!

 

[brucetiki]

Not that many have appeared up in my area yet - I've seen about 3 for the Liberal candidate and Mike Rann hasn't done his yet.

Was up at Tea Tree Plaza today and was surprised to see the Liberals put Pat Trainor in as the Liberal candidate for Florey again. Yes, a few do recontest after missing out, but normally it's on the back of a decent swing towards them, not against them...

Family First have gone nuts wth their Robert Brokenshire posters though!