News Marcus Adams trade thread (Adams for 32 & HAW's future 3rd)

[Tassie4ever]

This please.

Hope Hipwood spends some time developing his upper body

Respectfully disagree, 100%.

He is doing very well as is- why would you want to change the formula.

 

[Haso]

He is doing very well as is- why would you want to change the formula.

Not sure he's there yet Tassie. He has moments and we know he will be much better, but he's still not where he can be. I agree that a bit more core and upper body strength will help him.

 

[Dalions]

I definitely think that Adams would be best suited to an intercept type role in the backline. Which creates a dilemma, as it is also Andrews most suited role.

 

[BuntonRules]

I definitely think that Adams would be best suited to an intercept type role in the backline. Which creates a dilemma, as it is also Andrews most suited role.

Did you not watch the GF? What won that game for the Weagles was having 2 class intercept marks in defence. What McGovern could not get to, Barrass cut off. It cannot be stressed how important intercept marking is. Defensive spoils are good, but leave a stoppage in the oppo's forward line that they can set up defensively for and lock the ball in. Intercept mark it, and find a short target with the disposal, and you are away with them caught on the wrong foot.

That is why we chased Marcus Adams so seriously.

 

[trikster]

So if all 3 of Adams/Andrews/Gardner play does that mean that while Adams would play fullback both he and Andrews have the green light to roll off their man to go for intercept marks?

 

[jackess]

So if all 3 of Adams/Andrews/Gardner play does that mean that while Adams would play fullback both he and Andrews have the green light to roll off their man to go for intercept marks?

Would depend on the opposition. I’d suggest that Andrews would play on the taller forwards and Adams and Gardiner would take the more mobile forwards.

 

[lioninthesand]

So if all 3 of Adams/Andrews/Gardner play does that mean that while Adams would play fullback both he and Andrews have the green light to roll off their man to go for intercept marks?

Please no.. floating andrews is opposition goal city. As soon as he went back shoulder last year he improved out of sight.

 

[winged1]

Please no.. floating andrews is opposition goal city. As soon as he went back shoulder last year he improved out of sight.

Last year but prior to that he was a very good intercept mark. But when we had no other kpd (Darcy had a great year, but isnt really suited to the big fwds) he had to pkay tighter. Adams could be the key to an entirely different functioning backline. Exciting times.

 

[lioninthesand]

Last year but prior to that he was a very good intercept mark. But when we had no other kpd (Darcy had a great year, but isnt really suited to the big fwds) he had to pkay tighter. Adams could be the key to an entirely different functioning backline. Exciting times.

I think he got sucked into thinking 'im ready to play like Rance'.. but hadn't quite nailed the feel for when to work into space and when to stay. Plus our mids offer little resistance. So many over the back goals in the first month. It corrected once he went back / shoulder. You're right though, better structure, more mid pressure and some help and it could free him up to play that role.

 

[Gabbattoir]

Please no.. floating andrews is opposition goal city. As soon as he went back shoulder last year he improved out of sight.

I have to say I agree but seem to be in the minority. Andrews was AA form in those games once he tightened up in defence. He did it arguably better than anyone in the comp for a stretch. I don’t understand the desire to move him forward or get him floating around and playing off his man when he had the ability to play that role so well. Let Adams play that intercept role amd leave Andrews doing what he did so well. I know they want Andrews floating more but if it isn’t broke....

 

[buttermuffs]

I’d imagine that Andrews and Adams would be switching roles together throughout the game. Both of them can be great 1v1 and intercept defenders; why not have both of them play close to their man but have the green light to intercept?

Andrews played like an AA player with that method so I think Adams can do it as well if he’s capable. I think Gardiner should always be on the most damaging forward other than incredibly tall players like Brown, Cox, Daniher, etc.

 

[Tom14]

I have to say I agree but seem to be in the minority. Andrews was AA form in those games once he tightened up in defence. He did it arguably better than anyone in the comp for a stretch. I don’t understand the desire to move him forward or get him floating around and playing off his man when he had the ability to play that role so well. Let Adams play that intercept role amd leave Andrews doing what he did so well. I know they want Andrews floating more but if it isn’t broke....

I don't think Andrews was playing as a floating defender per se in the first couple of weeks - it was as part of a whole team zone defence which wasn't working too well, particularly as we seemed to be turning the ball over every other kick. Andrews playing well on the back shoulder doesn't mean he can't go for more intercept marks.

As others have said my guess is that they will mix and match who does what role - e.g. against Collingwood Harris will probably get Cox, dizzy De Goey and Adams would play more loose on Mihocek (for example). But against other teams who don't have such tall forward line Harris may play more loose.

 

[Gabbattoir]

I don't think Andrews was playing as a floating defender per se in the first couple of weeks - it was as part of a whole team zone defence which wasn't working too well, particularly as we seemed to be turning the ball over every other kick. Andrews playing well on the back shoulder doesn't mean he can't go for more intercept marks.

As others have said my guess is that they will mix and match who does what role - e.g. against Collingwood Harris will probably get Cox, dizzy De Goey and Adams would play more loose on Mihocek (for example). But against other teams who don't have such tall forward line Harris may play more loose.

Yeah absolutely he was looking out of place because of the zone defence we were weren’t executing but it doesn’t change the fact it didn’t seem to suit him. I’m more saying there seems to be some desire to get him to do a different role because some think he might be good at it ie FWD or free man but I’m thinking he’s a cracker at what he has been doing let’s not mess with that. And I’m not for a second saying let’s not let him predict the play and take an intercept mark, let’s just let him be Dustin Fletcher rather than trying to turn him into Harry Taylor or Rance because we think he might be good at it.

 

[carnaroys08]

Noble talked about him starting back but having flexibility to play forward. Maybe dogs and other suitors said we only see you as a defender

Adams highlight reel for Bulldogs fans when he was recruited by them is sensational!
His entry interview to the Lions gave me a huge laugh. He said, "They gave me an offer I couldn't refuse" lol . Nobel & Fagan: The New Godfathers of AFL !

 

[carnaroys08]

I definitely think that Adams would be best suited to an intercept type role in the backline. Which creates a dilemma, as it is also Andrews most suited role.

Andrews is more than pretty handy in the forward line also. With this in mind I can see Fagan giving opposition coaches a few headaches

 

[Nunez]

Adams highlight reel for Bulldogs fans when he was recruited by them is sensational!
His entry interview to the Lions gave me a huge laugh. He said, "They gave me an offer I couldn't refuse" lol . Nobel & Fagan: The New Godfathers of AFL !

"How would you like a good medical team to fix your body and get you playing footy again?"

"Where do I sign?!?!"

 

[carnaroys08]

"How would you like a good medical team to fix your body and get you playing footy again?"

"Where do I sign?!?!"

I can imagine that was fair part of it. Adams quote "offer too good to refuse" suggests there was plenty more mayo than that
It's exciting, once again, to be a Lions fan. The kids have already asked for Memberships for Christmas.

 

[Lace Out]

I can imagine that was fair part of it. Adams quote "offer too good to refuse" suggests there was plenty more mayo than that
It's exciting, once again, to be a Lions fan. The kids have already asked for Memberships for Christmas.

Yeah as much as the Dogs loved him and couldn't bear to see him leave he was only getting two years.We'll see.

 

[luthor]

. I think Gardiner should always be on the most damaging forward other than incredibly tall players like Brown, Cox, Daniher, etc.

Somewhere, somehow I recall reading about Gardiner being a dead eye dick shot for goal. Maybe it was in one of those player profile things that's in the AFL Record

Gardiner/Andrew/ Adams all having abilities BACK and FORWARD opens up possibilities that really appeal to me.

 

[Football Pope]

Somewhere, somehow I recall reading about Gardiner being a dead eye dick shot for goal. Maybe it was in one of those player profile things that's in the AFL Record

Gardiner/Andrew/ Adams all having abilities BACK and FORWARD opens up possibilities that really appeal to me.

yep ...not lost on Fagan either...

 

[Gadzorks]

From an article in The Age yesterday : Adams said Brisbane told him he will have different opportunities and he was looking forward to not playing as "the primary defender in the dungeon".

I'm confused, isn't this the exact reason he would be brought in? If not then who does he replace in the backline? Are they considering moving him forward? Then the only one he can replace is McStay

Might be feeling a bit the way Daniel Merrett was at the end- maybe too much pressure on one player??

It can be disheartening as a back man when you feel responsible for all the opposition goals. With harris, hodge and Gardiner our back six could be a fun little group really.

 

[Gadzorks]

Respectfully disagree, 100%.

He is doing very well as is- why would you want to change the formula.

Agree don’t change him. Putting on weight didn’t work for Lewis Jetta - Now he has slimed down he has shown some of his old razzle dazzle. That boy can move.

I’d hate anything to slow Harris down and mean he couldn’t cover the ground for the intercept marks and spoils.

 

[Lions Lions]

Did you not watch the GF? What won that game for the Weagles was having 2 class intercept marks in defence. What McGovern could not get to, Barrass cut off. It cannot be stressed how important intercept marking is. Defensive spoils are good, but leave a stoppage in the oppo's forward line that they can set up defensively for and lock the ball in. Intercept mark it, and find a short target with the disposal, and you are away with them caught on the wrong foot.

That is why we chased Marcus Adams so seriously.

Thats a great point and why we need to load our backline with players who can do this. With Adams and Andrews intercept markers. Hodge is capable but coming to the end. This is a major reason i want Jez McLennan in the draft with our first pick. Hes a great intercept marl for his size. He would fit in at half back seemlessly.

B Gardiner Andrews Hodge
Hb Witherden Adams McLennan

Bench: Robbo for lockdown option, run and crunch. But he is no lock if somebody else can provide the same qualities.

 

[winged1]

Somewhere, somehow I recall reading about Gardiner being a dead eye dick shot for goal. Maybe it was in one of those player profile things that's in the AFL Record

Gardiner/Andrew/ Adams all having abilities BACK and FORWARD opens up possibilities that really appeal to me.

Now that Gardiners shoulders seem a better and he can actually get his hands over his head, trying him as a swingman might not be a bad idea.

 

[Skoob]

Now that Gardiners shoulders seem a better and he can actually get his hands over his head, trying him as a swingman might not be a bad idea.

Well, apart from popping it out in round 21, requiring surgery, it's good as gold.