Opinion Mark Blicavs

[sarah.13]

it is a bit relevant. they chose not to elevate him this year, so still aren't sure about him.

You are right, many liston winners haven't made that step, but that is largely due to the fact that most liston winners aren't 21 year old AFL listed players not getting many games in the 1's, they are older VFL listed players. Some get a chance at AFL after winning, such as Pods and Callinan.

for him to win it at his young age, beating out many MEN who are very good footballers, and only played 14 games!!!

This was due to list space more than anything else.

 

[meto]

Give Blicav's time, no one should be to harshly judged on last weeks performance, seriously we hardly had a winner, I'd like to judge him on his performance against Richmond so we can gauge his value credibly.
I think he's only learning to read the play, it's not his lack of determination or courage that's an issue to me, in time I think he'll get those disposal stats much higher.

 

[rooie]

This was due to list space more than anything else.

you are likely right.
many here however tipped they would lose burbury and promote blitz and walker.
i am glad they did what they did however.
but traditionally, rookies learn the craft in the VFL to prove they are worthy of a spot on the list.

 

[Partridge]

You quoted both Stringer and Schroder, I said possibly Schroder...
I would love for Schroder to become our next Mitchell who was overlooked in his draft year then went on to win a Liston the following year got drafted and has been a good and then great player ever since.
I like Schroder but doubt he will develop into the person your comparing him too.

I wasn't comparing him to anyone. Merely pointed out that two recent Liston winners have become very good senior footballers. It's interesting that Mitchell is a similar type player; but Schroder doesn't need to be the next version of him to still have a good career for us.

To have three quality young midfielders coming through (Horlin-Smith, Caddy and Schroder) could be a critical thing for the team in the next 2-3 years too.

 

[sarah.13]

you are likely right.
many here however tipped they would lose burbury and promote blitz and walker.
i am glad they did what they did however.
but traditionally, rookies learn the craft in the VFL to prove they are worthy of a spot on the list.

I agree, but his contribution to the side is as good as you would expect from any second year player I would suggest and the MC want to get as many games into him as quickly as possible for a reason....I'm happy to go along with them as they are thinking long term not game by game as most posters on here do.

 

[Partridge]

Clubs seem to be more enamored with 'project' players than actual footballers.
If you are 6ft3 or taller and come from a non AFL sporting background you will be gifted games and kept on lists far beyond your progress deserves.
Execution of elementary skills will be lauded.
Not many of these project players actually turn out to be true AFL footballers.

That is so accurate. Perfectly describes Daw, Folau, Hunt (who unsurprisingly doesn't get games quite so much now), and not forgetting O'hAilpin. I'm sure they'll all be better once they learn the game though.

 

[meto]

I wasn't comparing him to anyone. Merely pointed out that two recent Liston winners have become very good senior footballers. It's interesting that Mitchell is a similar type player; but Schroder doesn't need to be the next version of him to still have a good career for us.

To have three quality young midfielders coming through (Horlin-Smith, Caddy and Schroder) could be a critical thing for the team in the next 2-3 years too.

Seriously the MC need to run Schroder through the middle and forward while they can, that's if they don't already want to dump him at year's end, I think after all these years we need to know and stop the speculation on whether he's got it or not.
If not get rid of him, just darn well find out before Christensen returns!

 

[sarah.13]

I wasn't comparing him to anyone. Merely pointed out that two recent Liston winners have become very good senior footballers. It's interesting that Mitchell is a similar type player; but Schroder doesn't need to be the next version of him to still have a good career for us.

To have three quality young midfielders coming through (Horlin-Smith, Caddy and Schroder) could be a critical thing for the team in the next 2-3 years too.

You used him as an example. I agree that of the mids outside the Afl team he has the most potential . I wasn't calling for him to be axed was just saying that the club prefer to get games into Blitz as they see more potential to be a valuable player down the track.

 

[Partridge]

Seriously the MC need to run Schroder through the middle and forward while they can that's if they don't already want to dump him at year's end, I think after all these years we need to know and stop the speculation on whether he's got it or not.
If not get rid of him just darn well find out before Christensen returns!

It hasn't been that long. He was taken in the same draft as Smedts, Guthrie and Horlin-Smith.

 

[rooie]

I agree, but his contribution to the side is as good as you would expect from any second year player I would suggest and the MC want to get as many games into him as quickly as possible for a reason....I'm happy to go along with them as they are thinking long term not game by game as most posters on here do.

i'm not thinking game by game. i want him getting games when we are short on players in the ruck, but i want other kids getting games when we are short on players in their positions, like the midfield or forwardline. thats why i defend burbury. we are short on small forwards due to a few boys being out, he is a kid that is getting experience, so no point burning him, let him play, get some experience and he will improve.

same goes for blitz, i have no issue with his performance against port, he was there as the 2nd ruck, did ok, got caught a few times but thats ok he is learning. it's the other 5 games this year when he was picked as a wing/mid role that i wish they were picking guys like schroder, stringer, jansen, lang etc. getting games into the boys who we drafted to actually play these sorts of roles.

 

[Partridge]

i'm not thinking game by game. i want him getting games when we are short on players in the ruck, but i want other kids getting games when we are short on players in their positions, like the midfield or forwardline. thats why i defend burbury. we are short on small forwards due to a few boys being out, he is a kid that is getting experience, so no point burning him, let him play, get some experience and he will improve.

same goes for blitz, i have no issue with his performance against port, he was there as the 2nd ruck, did ok, got caught a few times but thats ok he is learning. it's the other 5 games this year when he was picked as a wing/mid role that i wish they were picking guys like schroder, stringer, jansen, lang etc. getting games into the boys who we drafted to actually play these sorts of roles.

Exactly. Due to some curious list management decisions, we simply have no one else if either Simpson or McIntosh are unavailable. So to be selected against Port wasn't an issue once Simpson was out. But insisting on playing a non-midfielder as a midfielder, ahead of genuine mids coming through is a lot harder to defend. Average 15 touches a game (same as Caddy), and you could say it's justified. Average 8 touches a game (which he was), with few tackles and zero goals, and it isn't.

Agree about Burbury; I thought he was horrible on Sunday and he and Thurlow were probably our two worst on ground. But Burbury has played 6 games and Thurlow 5. They unquestionably will need more games. Blicavs has already had 28. If they don't know yet where he's meant to be developing they better start thinking about it.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

That is so accurate. Perfectly describes Daw, Folau, Hunt (who unsurprisingly doesn't get games quite so much now), and not forgetting O'hAilpin. I'm sure they'll all be better once they learn the game though.

Glass half empty or glass half full - I wouldn't stick a fork in Daw just yet.
Stynes , Kennelly , Handley , Brogan , Pendlebury.............Blicavs !!!

 

[Partridge]

Glass half empty or glass half full - I wouldn't stick a fork in Daw just yet.
Stynes , Kennelly , Handley , Brogan , Pendlebury.............Blicavs !!!

Glass always fully empty....sliding off the bench and cutting open your foot.....and you've got no band aids.

 

[Bobby_]

Give Blicav's time, no one should be to harshly judged on last weeks performance, seriously we hardly had a winner, I'd like to judge him on his performance against Richmond so we can gauge his value credibly.
I think he's only learning to read the play, it's not his lack of determination or courage that's an issue to me, in time I think he'll get those disposal stats much higher.

Dermott Brereton said Blicavs is about 2 years away from virtually putting it all together to become a tough player to handle for the opposition. Surprising coming from him as he's the biggest muppet on the face of this earth but does have a good footy brain when he stops talking about himself.

 

[rooie]

Glass half empty or glass half full - I wouldn't stick a fork in Daw just yet.
Stynes , Kennelly , Handley , Brogan , Pendlebury.............Blicavs !!!

minor issue, all your guys are from ball sports.

Dermott Brereton said Blicavs is about 2 years away from virtually putting it all together to become a tough player to handle for the opposition. Surprising coming from him as he's the biggest muppet on the face of this earth but does have a good footy brain when he stops talking about himself.

or cyril.

 

[Partridge]

Dermott Brereton said Blicavs is about 2 years away from virtually putting it all together to become a tough player to handle for the opposition. Surprising coming from him as he's the biggest muppet on the face of this earth but does have a good footy brain when he stops talking about himself.

Problem is it's not a guarantee, it's one person's opinion, and "a tough player to handle for the opposition" should describe every player in the team. I'd be worried if we had anyone who wasn't.

 

[Corio cat]

Exactly. Due to some curious list management decisions, we simply have no one else if either Simpson or McIntosh are unavailable. So to be selected against Port wasn't an issue once Simpson was out. But insisting on playing a non-midfielder as a midfielder, ahead of genuine mids coming through is a lot harder to defend. Average 15 touches a game (same as Caddy), and you could say it's justified. Average 8 touches a game (which he was), with few tackles and zero goals, and it isn't.

Agree about Burbury; I thought he was horrible on Sunday and he and Thurlow were probably our two worst on ground. But Burbury has played 6 games and Thurlow 5. They unquestionably will need more games. Blicavs has already had 28. If they don't know yet where he's meant to be developing they better start thinking about it.

Exactly. Due to some curious list management decisions, we simply have no one else if either Simpson or McIntosh are unavailable. So to be selected against Port wasn't an issue once Simpson was out. But insisting on playing a non-midfielder as a midfielder, ahead of genuine mids coming through is a lot harder to defend. Average 15 touches a game (same as Caddy), and you could say it's justified. Average 8 touches a game (which he was), with few tackles and zero goals, and it isn't.

Agree about Burbury; I thought he was horrible on Sunday and he and Thurlow were probably our two worst on ground. But Burbury has played 6 games and Thurlow 5. They unquestionably will need more games. Blicavs has already had 28. If they don't know yet where he's meant to be developing they better start thinking about it.

Not so sure they were the stand out worst 2 Partridge, not that i'm into this singling out stuff from a ordinary overall team performance. Harry was very poor, Boris was poor, Mcintosh who got smashed in ruck was very poor? Sel got beaten by Cornes who had 28 so was poor, Sheringham poor output, turnovers and conceded a couple of goals, Boris same to wingard, Walker yes 2 goals but single figure stats..... will stop there as it's all be said already.
Being impartial and not heaping on the 2 most inexperienced players and looking at the overall game. I don't think the greenhorns were clearly the 2 worst as I don't think they were the clear winners of this if there was a prize, and I am not saying you are completely wrong as they should be listed among the group above, probably along with some others. But it is irking me that we want to develop kids but as soon as we do, and we lose, generally some on here say we were too young and it cost us the game, we can't have it both ways. Otherwise bring back the 4 veterans and try and hang on without an eye for the future.

 

[Partridge]

Not so sure they were the stand out worst 2 Partridge, not that i'm into this singling out stuff from a ordinary overall team performance. Harry was very poor, Boris was poor, Mcintosh who got smashed in ruck was very poor? Sel got beaten by Cornes who had 28 so was poor, Sheringham poor output, turnovers and conceded a couple of goals, Boris same to wingard, Walker yes 2 goals but single figure stats..... will stop there as it's all be said already.
Being impartial and not heaping on the 2 most inexperienced players and looking at the overall game. I don't think the greenhorns were clearly the 2 worst as I don't think they were the clear winners of this if there was a prize, and I am not saying you are completely wrong as they should be listed among the group above, probably along with some others. But it is irking me that we want to develop kids but as soon as we do, and we lose, generally some on here say we were too young and it cost us the game, we can't have it both ways. Otherwise bring back the 4 veterans and try and hang on without an eye for the future.

Not sure what you're getting at CC, my point was never that Burbury and Thurlow have to absolutely go out this week. It was that young players, especially those under 10 games, have poor games. Also that they need more games to develop. I also never said those two cost us the game. I'd be more than happy to give them plenty more, but if Mackie, Motlop and Simpson are available (and I'm hoping like hell they are), then I bet Burbury will go for Motlop, and either Thurlow or Sheringham will for Mackie. My bet is Sheringham will get the chop, but my personal view is that he wasn't our worst on Sunday, and if it came to a choice, right now I'd have him ahead of Thurlow. That doesn't mean Thurlow can't get more games however.

 

[you pick one]

Dermott Brereton said Blicavs is about 2 years away from virtually putting it all together to become a tough player to handle for the opposition. Surprising coming from him as he's the biggest muppet on the face of this earth but does have a good footy brain when he stops talking about himself.

Jesus the last person I'd want doing Geelongs list management is that Muppet.

 

[Corio cat]

Not sure what you're getting at CC, my point was never that Burbury and Thurlow have to absolutely go out this week. It was that young players, especially those under 10 games, have poor games. Also that they need more games to develop. I also never said those two cost us the game. I'd be more than happy to give them plenty more, but if Mackie, Motlop and Simpson are available (and I'm hoping like hell they are), then I bet Burbury will go for Motlop, and either Thurlow or Sheringham will for Mackie. My bet is Sheringham will get the chop, but my personal view is that he wasn't our worst on Sunday, and if it came to a choice, right now I'd have him ahead of Thurlow. That doesn't mean Thurlow can't get more games however.

Not sure what you're getting at CC, my point was never that Burbury and Thurlow have to absolutely go out this week. It was that young players, especially those under 10 games, have poor games. Also that they need more games to develop. I also never said those two cost us the game. I'd be more than happy to give them plenty more, but if Mackie, Motlop and Simpson are available (and I'm hoping like hell they are), then I bet Burbury will go for Motlop, and either Thurlow or Sheringham will for Mackie. My bet is Sheringham will get the chop, but my personal view is that he wasn't our worst on Sunday, and if it came to a choice, right now I'd have him ahead of Thurlow. That doesn't mean Thurlow can't get more games however.

My point was only at your reference to them "being probably our worst two" which I think was debatable when it was such an ordinary overall performance and included some pretty bad (hopefully one off) games by our leaders/stars.

 

[Pivo]

Have i missed something? Is Polec running around in the VFL for the Bankers??

Ah, I'll make sure I don't ask you who you'd prefer out of Miranda Kerr and Jennifer Hawkins then.

It was simply a hypothetical question, probably shouldn't have used names and figures.

 

[catempire]

Ah, I'll make sure I don't ask you who you'd prefer out of Miranda Kerr and Jennifer Hawkins then.

It was simply a hypothetical question, perhaps I shouldn't have used names.

I understand. It's just that I don't think we are faced with a hypothetical - the reality is it's Blicavs or someone else running around in the VFL at the moment. The situation may be quite different if we had a gun young wingman pressing for selection. The fact is we don't.


(BTW, Kerr for me )

 

[Pivo]

I understand. It's just that I don't think we are faced with a hypothetical - the reality is it's Blicavs or someone else running around in the VFL at the moment. The situation may be quite different if we had a gun young wingman pressing for selection. The fact is we don't.


(BTW, Kerr for me h

Don't tell anyone, I actually like Gale better than both.

Between you and me.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

I understand. It's just that I don't think we are faced with a hypothetical - the reality is it's Blicavs or someone else running around in the VFL at the moment. The situation may be quite different if we had a gun young wingman pressing for selection. The fact is we don't.


(BTW, Kerr for me )

Don't tell anyone, I actually like Gale better than both.

Between you and me.

C'mon boys - has to be HAWKINS - it's in the name FFS

 

[Pivo]

C'mon boys - has to be HAWKINS - it's in the name FFS

She'd never get called "Porkins".

Perhaps best if I just leave everything there now.