Mark Johnson

[ImperialPurple]

Ummm Pavlich wrote an article in the paper clearly stating that the last derby was Freo's grand final.

Back to you.

Context moron, context.

"This is our grand final - if we lose this game, then our season is over. if we win our season is alive."

It would have applied to whatever game we happened to be playing in that round last season. It just so happened to be a derby.

Context. Meaning is made from the context in which it appears. Is that a concept that you can grasp, or is it beyond you?

 

[Ripper]

Ummm Pavlich wrote an article in the paper clearly stating that the last derby was Freo's grand final.

Back to you.

You are correct , it was the game that WC reckoned was their "dress rehearsal" for the finals.

Have to admit the rehearsed very well the script they played to in finals.

 

[Keys]

You are correct , it was the game that WC reckoned was their "dress rehearsal" for the finals.

Have to admit the rehearsed very well the script they played to in finals.

Ouch!!

Now that's just nasty.

Although at least we got past rehearsals.

Good luck with MJ and Kepler.(Wonder if anyone selects them in your BF player sponsor's draft - IP maybe you should just allocate KP to Lach)

 

[Jackfrost]

You are correct , it was the game that WC reckoned was their "dress rehearsal" for the finals.

Have to admit the rehearsed very well the script they played to in finals.

Try reading that aloud

 

[Bradesmaen]

Quite easily translated... You lost to us and then lost in straight sets in the finals. Your move chuckles.

 

[Bender571]

Try reading that aloud

*sigh*

People who criticise spelling and grammar on internet forums may as well admit they've lost the argument.

Its an internet forum, we're not trying to win the pulitzer prize

Well of course they don't. You have to have previously build something to rebuild it.

Its built, but noone cared because we understood what you were trying to say.

People make typing errors, I'm sure if you went back through my posts there would be mistakes.

Argue the message not the english.

 

[Moo]

Welcome back to the stadium ...it is round 2 between 15 minutes and the Moosenneger.

The first round was a bit of a blood bath ...lets see what 15 minutes has got in reserve.

First up ....thank you but you have not traded well too Judd and Cousins for Masten, Kennedy and Notte (I know this isn't exactly true but you misrepresent our trade history so I think I will too and act dumb about it).

Now the bolded bit was your hint that I was deliberately misrepresenting your recent trades to simply match your dismal effort ...remember these 2 corker lines ..

Adam McPhee and 1st and 2nd round pick for Des Headland
Giving away James Clement and Brodie Holland for free

Nothing for James Clement/Brodie Holland? - silly me we must have found picks 8 & 39 lying on the ground.

McPhee and 1st and 2nd round picks for Dessie ...interesting. Here was me thinking that we traded McPhee to the Bombers (when he wanted to go home) for pick 55 ....which became Ryan Crowley - but you just roll it up into one deal (and even forget the in) as it helps make the deal look bad.

My point was if you are just going to talk rubbish about our trades, I'll just do the same ....good to see you spend a few paras defending the Judd and Benny deals.

I'd actually say that mine was closer to the truth than your efforts - see even when I try I can't be as wrong as you.

Also do you really need to lie to show up some of our bad moves? This just shows you have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to us ...I'll accept the real bad deals we have made but not the made up ones.

I would be happy to debate this further but since i would be doing so with one hand tied behind my back by your moderators there is no point. It's easy to "nail" somebody when you take away their right of rebuttal and use selective quotes out on context and time period. It's about as brave as bragging about beating somebody up when they are tied up and restrained in a straight jacket, at the end of the day. But enjoy your cheap thrill, by all means.

I am enjoying it immensely.

Selective quotes ...out of context? Please just post up the full quotes and the dates/times and prove how right you are then...relatively simple exercise (unless of course you got nothing).

Should be able to do that without upsetting anyone....or is it easier to just pretend that you have a defense to the multiple errors and wrong decisions you have made.

I mean mate you have been on here for 5 weeks - I am hardly dragging up material from 3 years ago am I?

Start with the trading post you made 4 days ago ....did you not know that Crowley was part of it/did you really think we just gave away Clement and Holland for nothing. Pretty much you either have no idea or you make up stuff - your call on which crown you would rather wear.

But i will make a few quick points about the ridiculousness and inaccuracy of Moo's post, as i am sure that is all i will be allowed. If i started winning the argument i would get banned, i'm sure. Moo should be a journalist for a current affair with his editing skills and selective quoting..

You are pretty safe.

Also editing skills? You didn't say you would get the 1 pick for Judd? You didn't say Kennedy was a hack who WCE did not want? You didn't say Sampi was staying on your list? You didn't say it was a weak draft and that you should trade for experience? You didn't say you hope Judd does a knee? ....point em out mate - show me up.

And that is probably as much as i am allowed to say on here. If you want to "nail" me further and produce more "comedy gold" moments we will have to move the discussion to Bay 13, which you are probably too afraid to do as it is a lot easier to "nail" a person who can't post back, isn't it Moo?

Can't post back anything resembling an argument may be closer to the point.

Basically you are a troll who started with the old favourite ...'I wish you the best I really do' and then launched into a whole lot of the world according to you dressed up as fact ...all I have done is to show how remarkably inaccurate you have been with your predictions to date and demonstrate that you are loose with the truth.

Mate if I nailed you anymore I'd be a Roman and it would be your birthday next month.

 

[thebaxters]

Mate if I nailed you anymore I'd be a Roman and it would be your birthday next month.

^^^ Pay that.

 

[Lach72]

Ouch!!

Now that's just nasty.

Although at least we got past rehearsals.

Good luck with MJ and Kepler.(Wonder if anyone selects them in your BF player sponsor's draft - IP maybe you should just allocate KP to Lach)

Star picket------------->Keyser's rear end.

 

[15_year_member]

Welcome back to the stadium ...it is round 2 between 15 minutes and the Moosenneger.

The first round was a bit of a blood bath ...lets see what 15 minutes has got in reserve.



Now the bolded bit was your hint that I was deliberately misrepresenting your recent trades to simply match your dismal effort ...remember these 2 corker lines ..



Nothing for James Clement/Brodie Holland? - silly me we must have found picks 8 & 39 lying on the ground.

McPhee and 1st and 2nd round picks for Dessie ...interesting. Here was me thinking that we traded McPhee to the Bombers (when he wanted to go home) for pick 55 ....which became Ryan Crowley - but you just roll it up into one deal (and even forget the in) as it helps make the deal look bad.

My point was if you are just going to talk rubbish about our trades, I'll just do the same ....good to see you spend a few paras defending the Judd and Benny deals.

I'd actually say that mine was closer to the truth than your efforts - see even when I try I can't be as wrong as you.

Also do you really need to lie to show up some of our bad moves? This just shows you have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to us ...I'll accept the real bad deals we have made but not the made up ones.



I am enjoying it immensely.

Selective quotes ...out of context? Please just post up the full quotes and the dates/times and prove how right you are then...relatively simple exercise (unless of course you got nothing).

Should be able to do that without upsetting anyone....or is it easier to just pretend that you have a defense to the multiple errors and wrong decisions you have made.

I mean mate you have been on here for 5 weeks - I am hardly dragging up material from 3 years ago am I?

Start with the trading post you made 4 days ago ....did you not know that Crowley was part of it/did you really think we just gave away Clement and Holland for nothing. Pretty much you either have no idea or you make up stuff - your call on which crown you would rather wear.



You are pretty safe.

Also editing skills? You didn't say you would get the 1 pick for Judd? You didn't say Kennedy was a hack who WCE did not want? You didn't say Sampi was staying on your list? You didn't say it was a weak draft and that you should trade for experience? You didn't say you hope Judd does a knee? ....point em out mate - show me up.



Can't post back anything resembling an argument may be closer to the point.

Basically you are a troll who started with the old favourite ...'I wish you the best I really do' and then launched into a whole lot of the world according to you dressed up as fact ...all I have done is to show how remarkably inaccurate you have been with your predictions to date and demonstrate that you are loose with the truth.

Mate if I nailed you anymore I'd be a Roman and it would be your birthday next month.

Good old Mike Munro, sorry i mean Moo, at it again as Derryn Hinch would say with his selective quoting. When i was discussing the dockers disastrous train-wreck of a trading history on Bay 13 did i not say in the in the same set of quotes "i do not have a footy record in front of me and i am working mainly from memory so i could be wrong but ..."? I think you will find i did. I didn't state that they were facts. I said i was guessing and nobody corrected me.

McPhee was involved in the Headland trade. It was a 3 way trade with bris and ess and he left because your club didn't rate him. Dress it up however you like and say he wanted to leave. How well do you think you did out of that? Was McPhee worth pick 55? And Clement left because your club didn't rate him either, whatever crappy draft pick you got for him. The central point of the whole discussion was Fremantle's dismal trading and inability to recognise talent and the fact they give they their good players away and are obsessed with getting players from other clubs rather than developing your own. Whether you are going to come back and argue that technically it's wrong because you got this pick or that pick or pick 55 for them as a token gesture when they left is besides the point. They left because you didn't rate them and they became very good players (club captains, B & F winners) at other clubs. Your club failed to recognise the talent and did a disastrous trade with them. You got well, well below market value for them. Don't try and sidetrack the argument and make about whether other posters are exactly technically correct in their posts and take the emphasis away from your embarrassing record as a club. If you want to correct an incorrect detail then, by all means, do so but if you want to debate then debate the issue at hand. If you think these trades were winners and that your club is not a loser in the trading market and that these trades really were winners and well thought out then state your case and fight your corner. Don't be pathetic and come on here and pretend that if you can find tiny flaws in detail and trivial technicalities in other peoples posts that that invalidates the whole theme of the argument and debate and that you have somehow "nailed them" and won and immunised your club from criticism.

Finding technicalities and coming back at me and saying that you got pick bloody 55 (a 4th round pick FFS for a bloke that must have come close to AA and best and fairest at ess) for Mcphee and because i didn't say that in my original post it somehow invalidates the point of the thread which was that it has proved to be a very lopsided trade and you failed to recognise talent and got less than fair value. That people leaving out minor details lets you off the hook and somehow proves that your club really is not a chronic blunderer at the trade table and you don't have to bother to mount an argument of your own.

Now lets clean up more of your selective quoting. I said that the eagles would get first crack at resigning Sampi and that if he looked capable and they felt confidant of him playing AFL again they would give him a contract and that sampi had indicated that that was his first choice. If the eagles don't take him it's because they have assessed that he probably won't play AFL footy again and is not capable and therefore other clubs would be likely tocome to the same opinion when confronted with the same evidence and unlikely to offer him a deal either. What hapenned in the draft on sat? Did anybody pick him up and offer him a deal?

I did say i hope evil things happen to Judd and i meant it and still mean it. I have never denied saying that and i admit i have a very low opinion of him. Your club would feel similarly towards Pavlich if he left i am sure. And we all speculated a lot on what we would get for Judd at trading week and engaged in sledging with multiple carlton trolls on our board telling them they would lose pick 1 ect. So what? Nobody knew what would happen at the trading week. We were all speculators and just trying to antagonise the other teams posters. We were all interested and exchanged opinions amongst fellow eagles supporters and argued with carlton trolls and defended our club. They told us it was just going to be just pick 3, we argued back and said pick 1 and 3. It ended up somewhere in the middle. Not everything that anybody said ended up hapenning. Big deal. We were all guessing and having a good time arguing. I didn't pretend i had inside information.

And i do think that we should now trade for expierience as we are about 2 years away from another premiership window. I never denied saying that. We have the 2nd youngest list in the comp, have made the finals for the last 6 years in a row, already won a recent flag and have more good players at our club than we can actually give a game to. That is what a premiership window is. Having a recent record of success and a young list on the way up. Not an old, ageing chronically underperforming list that has made the finals twice in 14 years and with a generation gap in the list due to it's compulsive trading of draft pcks and 2nd tier players and vey few dedent young players. And a coach who is making it worse by recruiting more 30 year olds. I don't advocate trading for expierience when the club is in the middle or at the bottom of the ladder and i would never advocate trading for the tripe and rubbish your club has shelled out for like headland, tarrant and croad. Only in very select circumstances and only if it is actually a decent player you are getting and only once every 5 years or so, not every year like you.

Unlike a lot of people down at Freo, and by the looks of itself yourself Moo, i have a fulltime professional job (and yes i do live in Berlin at the moment) and i can't and don't want to spend all day reading other people posting history and researching the minutiae of another clubs tragic history. How long did it take you to read all my posts Moo? A few hours? Do you really not have anything better to do? Maybe you should go door knocking and try and find some meaningful employment and something else more constructive to do with your time. If you enjoyed yourself good for you. I just find it a bit sad. I am sure i could trawl through all the history of your posts and do a similar cut and paste job but as i said, i am employed and have things to occupy my time already.

But don't let me dissuade you, Moo. Plow on, old son.You continue on with your succesful and tried and tested policy of trading 3 good young players for one crap or old player from another club every year and enjoy all the premiership windows it will bring you. On current projections (at 2 finals appearances every 14 years) you are only another 6 years away from playing in another final. Exciting times, hey. Something to look forward to. Count the years down. My suggestion, if you get a bit down during the 6 year wait, is to, when the paper arrives on Monday morning and you are reading the AFL section in the sports and the AFL ladder is right there in the middle of the page just diappear into fantasy land (which seems to be where you live anyway) and play make believe with yourselves and just turn the paper upside down and pretend that top is bottom and vice versa and so then you might actually be at the top of the ladder that way and you can cheer yourselves up and have hours of fun.

 

[kuepper]

Unlike a lot of people down at Freo, and by the looks of itself yourself Moo, i have a fulltime professional job (and yes i do live in Berlin at the moment) and i can't and don't want to spend all day reading other people posting history and researching the minutiae of another clubs tragic history.

Yet sadly, you have the time to write stupidly unfactual, vitriolic rants.

Some advice; realise we care not for your ill informed, atypical bluenyella 'facts', and the next ime you think perhaps there's a need for a thesis in a vein attempt to justify your inherent ignorance and stupidity, don't.

Go drink some steins, and eat some schnitzels. Everyone wins. Especially us.

 

[Keys]

Star picket------------->Keyser's rear end.

Lachy, Kepler's going to be a star, you know it as well as I do.

 

[inferno66]

McPhee was involved in the Headland trade. It was a 3 way trade with bris and ess and he left because your club didn't rate him. Dress it up however you like and say he wanted to leave. How well do you think you did out of that? Was McPhee worth pick 55? And Clement left because your club didn't rate him either, whatever crappy draft pick you got for him.

Mcphee in the end was worth pick 55... Crowley turned out to be a great player. Mcphee had one great year and then has spend time injured and out of form.

THe club rated Clement highly. But Clement never wanted to play for Freo and his attitude while playing for us showed it. Clement was the one who asked to be traded in the end... that is a fact. With McPhee im not sure if he wanted to be traded or not.

 

[newlander77]

With McPhee im not sure if he wanted to be traded or not.

McPhee was actually quite devestated at the time when he was traded. He had made a life for himself in WA and all his good mates (team mates) were here. I have seen a few interviews where he said that.

 

[Belnakor]

Mcphee in the end was worth pick 55... Crowley turned out to be a great player. Mcphee had one great year and then has spend time injured and out of form.

THe club rated Clement highly. But Clement never wanted to play for Freo and his attitude while playing for us showed it. Clement was the one who asked to be traded in the end... that is a fact. With McPhee im not sure if he wanted to be traded or not.

I thought the deal was Clement had a personality clash with Drum?

McPhee is one of the most overrated footballers of the last 10 years, he still can't kick, he still is soft and i still don't rate him. He had one good year playing as a loose man in defense and suddenly he is a superstar because he plays for essendon.

 

[15_year_member]

Mcphee in the end was worth pick 55... Crowley turned out to be a great player. Mcphee had one great year and then has spend time injured and out of form.

THe club rated Clement highly. But Clement never wanted to play for Freo and his attitude while playing for us showed it. Clement was the one who asked to be traded in the end... that is a fact. With McPhee im not sure if he wanted to be traded or not.

My recollection is that Clement was traded because Damien Drum thought he was too slow for AFL footy. Drum has given that account in the media before. McPhee is twice as good a player as Crowley. What has Crowley achieved? Is he AA?

And it doesn't even matter that Crowley is a decent player (if you think he is) and you got him with that pick 55. At the time you did the trade you did not know what you would get with that pick. You can't compare the 2 players. The question is whether McPhee has been worth significantly more than pick 55 in a national draft or not? If the eagles traded Sampi this year to say carlton for the number 1 pick this year and then proceeded to pick a complete dud with that pick and get a player who never plays a game for them with it it doen't take away from the fact it was a great trade because we got something (pick 1) worth signifcantly more than what we traded away (sampi).

Nobody would look backand say that trading Sampi for pick 1 was a dumb trade just because we weren't smart enough to use the draft pick to get something decent with it. You could call it dumb recruiting but not dumb trading.

 

[theGav56]

Unlike a lot of people down at Freo, and by the looks of itself yourself Moo, i have a fulltime professional job (and yes i do live in Berlin at the moment) and i can't and don't want to spend all day reading other people posting history and researching the minutiae of another clubs tragic history. How long did it take you to read all my posts Moo? A few hours? Do you really not have anything better to do? Maybe you should go door knocking and try and find some meaningful employment and something else more constructive to do with your time. If you enjoyed yourself good for you. I just find it a bit sad. I am sure i could trawl through all the history of your posts and do a similar cut and paste job but as i said, i am employed and have things to occupy my time already.

Oh dear. "My Dad could beat up your Dad!" No time to read posts, but just love to come onto the Freo Board and write them. A "fulltime professional job"! Wow. If you'd told us that in the first place no-one would ever have disagreed with your opionion. Truly.

Well done Moo. NAILED this sucker again!

 

[Black Ball]

My recollection is that Clement was traded because Damien Drum thought he was too slow for AFL footy.

Absolute crap, Inferno is right Clement never wanted to play at Fremantle and Mick Malthouse always rated him very highly he even tried to get him to West Coast. When Clement was at Freo both he and Parker were two of the quickest players on the list.

 

[inferno66]

McPhee is twice as good a player as Crowley. What has Crowley achieved? Is he AA?

And it doesn't even matter that Crowley is a decent player (if you think he is) and you got him with that pick 55. At the time you did the trade you did not know what you would get with that pick. You can't compare the 2 players. The question is whether McPhee has been worth significantly more than pick 55 in a national draft or not? If the eagles traded Sampi this year to say carlton for the number 1 pick this year and then proceeded to pick a complete dud with that pick and get a player who never plays a game for them with it it doen't take away from the fact it was a great trade because we got something (pick 1) worth signifcantly more than what we traded away (sampi).

Nobody would look backand say that trading Sampi for pick 1 was a dumb trade just because we weren't smart enough to use the draft pick to get something decent with it. You could call it dumb recruiting but not dumb trading.

Mcphee was worth more than pick 55. But you cant just seperate trading and recruting... they are an intertwined process . The bottom line of how a good a team did in a trade is determined by the development and quality of the player they picked up rather then number of the draft pick that the team got from the trade.

Crowley may not have got AA but unlike Mcphee he is less injury prone and his form has been more conistent.

 

[Moo]

Oh dear. "My Dad could beat up your Dad!" No time to read posts, but just love to come onto the Freo Board and write them. A "fulltime professional job"! Wow. If you'd told us that in the first place no-one would ever have disagreed with your opionion. Truly.

Well done Moo. NAILED this sucker again!

Yes I laughed.

I live in the Middle East as an amateur IT systems guy.

I can honestly say finding bad examples of 15 cent took about 5-10 mins. Literally every post I opened was wrong or some rant about Freo.

If I was trying to nail someone like TOA it would take hours and therefore I wouldn't worry aout doing it.

 

[Bender571]

Good old Mike Munro, sorry i mean Moo, at it again as Derryn Hinch would say with his selective quoting. When i was discussing the dockers disastrous train-wreck of a trading history on Bay 13 did i not say in the in the same set of quotes "i do not have a footy record in front of me and i am working mainly from memory so i could be wrong but ..."? I think you will find i did. I didn't state that they were facts. I said i was guessing and nobody corrected me.

McPhee was involved in the Headland trade. It was a 3 way trade with bris and ess and he left because your club didn't rate him. Dress it up however you like and say he wanted to leave. How well do you think you did out of that? Was McPhee worth pick 55? And Clement left because your club didn't rate him either, whatever crappy draft pick you got for him. The central point of the whole discussion was Fremantle's dismal trading and inability to recognise talent and the fact they give they their good players away and are obsessed with getting players from other clubs rather than developing your own. Whether you are going to come back and argue that technically it's wrong because you got this pick or that pick or pick 55 for them as a token gesture when they left is besides the point. They left because you didn't rate them and they became very good players (club captains, B & F winners) at other clubs. Your club failed to recognise the talent and did a disastrous trade with them. You got well, well below market value for them. Don't try and sidetrack the argument and make about whether other posters are exactly technically correct in their posts and take the emphasis away from your embarrassing record as a club. If you want to correct an incorrect detail then, by all means, do so but if you want to debate then debate the issue at hand. If you think these trades were winners and that your club is not a loser in the trading market and that these trades really were winners and well thought out then state your case and fight your corner. Don't be pathetic and come on here and pretend that if you can find tiny flaws in detail and trivial technicalities in other peoples posts that that invalidates the whole theme of the argument and debate and that you have somehow "nailed them" and won and immunised your club from criticism.

Finding technicalities and coming back at me and saying that you got pick bloody 55 (a 4th round pick FFS for a bloke that must have come close to AA and best and fairest at ess) for Mcphee and because i didn't say that in my original post it somehow invalidates the point of the thread which was that it has proved to be a very lopsided trade and you failed to recognise talent and got less than fair value. That people leaving out minor details lets you off the hook and somehow proves that your club really is not a chronic blunderer at the trade table and you don't have to bother to mount an argument of your own.

Now lets clean up more of your selective quoting. I said that the eagles would get first crack at resigning Sampi and that if he looked capable and they felt confidant of him playing AFL again they would give him a contract and that sampi had indicated that that was his first choice. If the eagles don't take him it's because they have assessed that he probably won't play AFL footy again and is not capable and therefore other clubs would be likely tocome to the same opinion when confronted with the same evidence and unlikely to offer him a deal either. What hapenned in the draft on sat? Did anybody pick him up and offer him a deal?

I did say i hope evil things happen to Judd and i meant it and still mean it. I have never denied saying that and i admit i have a very low opinion of him. Your club would feel similarly towards Pavlich if he left i am sure. And we all speculated a lot on what we would get for Judd at trading week and engaged in sledging with multiple carlton trolls on our board telling them they would lose pick 1 ect. So what? Nobody knew what would happen at the trading week. We were all speculators and just trying to antagonise the other teams posters. We were all interested and exchanged opinions amongst fellow eagles supporters and argued with carlton trolls and defended our club. They told us it was just going to be just pick 3, we argued back and said pick 1 and 3. It ended up somewhere in the middle. Not everything that anybody said ended up hapenning. Big deal. We were all guessing and having a good time arguing. I didn't pretend i had inside information.

And i do think that we should now trade for expierience as we are about 2 years away from another premiership window. I never denied saying that. We have the 2nd youngest list in the comp, have made the finals for the last 6 years in a row, already won a recent flag and have more good players at our club than we can actually give a game to. That is what a premiership window is. Having a recent record of success and a young list on the way up. Not an old, ageing chronically underperforming list that has made the finals twice in 14 years and with a generation gap in the list due to it's compulsive trading of draft pcks and 2nd tier players and vey few dedent young players. And a coach who is making it worse by recruiting more 30 year olds. I don't advocate trading for expierience when the club is in the middle or at the bottom of the ladder and i would never advocate trading for the tripe and rubbish your club has shelled out for like headland, tarrant and croad. Only in very select circumstances and only if it is actually a decent player you are getting and only once every 5 years or so, not every year like you.

Unlike a lot of people down at Freo, and by the looks of itself yourself Moo, i have a fulltime professional job (and yes i do live in Berlin at the moment) and i can't and don't want to spend all day reading other people posting history and researching the minutiae of another clubs tragic history. How long did it take you to read all my posts Moo? A few hours? Do you really not have anything better to do? Maybe you should go door knocking and try and find some meaningful employment and something else more constructive to do with your time. If you enjoyed yourself good for you. I just find it a bit sad. I am sure i could trawl through all the history of your posts and do a similar cut and paste job but as i said, i am employed and have things to occupy my time already.

But don't let me dissuade you, Moo. Plow on, old son.You continue on with your succesful and tried and tested policy of trading 3 good young players for one crap or old player from another club every year and enjoy all the premiership windows it will bring you. On current projections (at 2 finals appearances every 14 years) you are only another 6 years away from playing in another final. Exciting times, hey. Something to look forward to. Count the years down. My suggestion, if you get a bit down during the 6 year wait, is to, when the paper arrives on Monday morning and you are reading the AFL section in the sports and the AFL ladder is right there in the middle of the page just diappear into fantasy land (which seems to be where you live anyway) and play make believe with yourselves and just turn the paper upside down and pretend that top is bottom and vice versa and so then you might actually be at the top of the ladder that way and you can cheer yourselves up and have hours of fun.

Wow! I haven't seen that much hate coming out of Berlin since ... ah never mind

 

[Moo]

Wow! I haven't seen that much hate coming out of Berlin since ... ah never mind

boom tish!


15 cent ….

On the McPhee thing ….rather than defend your incorrect assumption here is a crazy, crazy notion just come out and say ‘gees I was wrong on that one’. The fact is you stated we traded McPhee and 2 draft picks for Headland …which is not true. You stated we got nothing for Holland and Clement – which is not true.

You didn’t have a footy record in front of you bet still managed to know enough to list half a dozen trades and a dozen names (are you wearing obsession by the way?) but we shouldn’t hold you to it as you never said it was true. You are not Ben Cousins lawyer by any chance are you?

Also why can’t we rate the compensation we got for McPhee as Crowley? What is your logic there? We sent McPhee to Essendon, with the pick 55 compensation we took Crowley. After the years it boils down to Headland & Crowley for Brennan and McPhee – again I don’t see it as a massive loss. I think you have not seen enough of Crowley or McPhee lately (in fact to be an informed AFL follower from overseas you have to work your bum off on the internet to know what is what). To say you can’t count Crowley as you never knew you were going to take him? Well guess what we can count him as we did take him and he is a fine player.

Whilst I give you that you may have made a mistake on McPhee, you believe we got nothing for Holland and Clement? (if only you had access to a computer whilst you were posting this tripe you could have done a quick search)…..we got a first rounder and an early 3rd rounder and this formed part of the package to get Bell. Hardly well below market value. If you don’t know – Bell has been reasonably handy. If you had said Freo should have kept Bell originally and stuck to things that are true I wouldn’t be constantly handing you your head on a platter so often that I am thinking of becoming a professional waiter.

I don’t rate Holland and whilst Clement was a massive loss – you don’t want to play for us not a lot we can do he wanted to play for C’wood (or do forced trades only count for West Coast?)

Plus you miss the whole point of the Judd/Sampi slam …you are freely posting your opinion here which is great …however your track record sucks and in such a short timeframe too and that is on your own team who you should have more of an idea about. So do forgive us for not taking what you are saying as the gospel as all you have demonstrated to date is your opinion so far has been wrong a number of times in a short period, you get a lot of facts wrong and you have a tendency to make things up that you know are not true.

Therefore you run along and tell yourself we are not in a premiership window and when we do well next year you can always say ‘I didn’t have a footy record in front of me’ or ‘I didn’t say it was true therefore you can not hold me to it’.

You’re a light weight mate …many Eagles fans I respect – you aint one of em.

 

[The Night Shift]

Wow! I haven't seen that much hate coming out of Berlin since ... ah never mind

RoFL

"pssst, don't mention the war "

 

[ImperialPurple]

Arbeit Macht Frei.

I s'pose 15cent thinks it would do us Freo people good to remember that.

 

[Reveler]

so many long winded posts.

Everytime I think about MJ2 I think of Solly and what fantastic value he was to us this year. That helps me sleep at night.