Opinion Mark Logiudice and the Board of Directors

What needs to be done at board level within CFC?

  • The whole lot need to go.

  • MLG needs to stand down alone.

  • Multiple board members plus MLG need to stand down.

  • No changes required


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jpfalvo

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If anyones job is under scrutiny its Judd. He's the director of footy, and thats the one area we currently suck in.

Say what you want about the rest of the directors, but off field (members, sponsorships, corporate engagement, money) we're actually doing well.

That said, I dont think Judds the problem. He's a good operator despite the ongoing issues with the Footy department. I think the problem is our list is at present way to young, and blame for that ultimately has to fall on SOS. I know we've tried to get in mature players in recent years (Rocky, Shiel) but we really needed to be more aggressive with doing so, without sacrificing our draft hand during the rebuild (get in some Free Agents, including some Hodge types at the end of their careers).

Say what you want, but we have been fielding some insanely young sides this year. At around the same age as GWS/ GCS teams in year 1 of their existence (and have been getting similar results).

We really need to be agressive this year with picking up some established senior players. They dont have to be absolute A graders either. Just solid best 22 types to enable us to leave some kids in the 2's to develop and to have hard bodies in the side.

We went full Melbourne. You never go full Melbourne.
Exactly. What I have been saying for 18months.

The disappointing thing is we didn't learn the lessons of Melbourne.

Would you take a Nathan Jones type as an example if he is retired off? Or Isaac Smith?
If say Jarred Roughead is perfect for us but unfortunately there's not a spot for him

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You mean like Lang, Kennedy, Garlett, Newman, McGovern, Fas, Shiel?

What B grade seniors are you thinking of mal that we could’ve chased.
Polec, pittard, miles, lloyd, Rohan, tyson, preuss, hall

Did we try talking to dalhaus types

We spoke to Goddard in January as part of the rookie replacement, should have been September as a playing coach like Hodge for example

Did we offer up enough cash or terms for Saad, Smith, stringer, rockliff by reports we missed due to contract length

Should we gave kept known knowns? - wright (who left because we couldn't guarantee a spot, surely better than fasolo) lamb, kerridge

Don't have to be world beaters but they were senior bodies who could transmit the gameplan to the kids, protect the kids and contribute

Point is SOS focus on A grade or ex GWS bargain buy ex high picks is what should be reviewed.

Roos when and got guys like Cross and Vince to help stabilise the list for example.

Plenty of options if the list management was in the headspace for it, would have rather seen the Lobbe money spent overpaying rockliff or chasing Saad than on a washed up VFL player

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jpfalvo

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Caro is leading the charge.

I’d love to know the truth re her relationship with Trigg.

Since Trigg was moved on she has viciously attached Carlton/MLJ, SOS, Bolton, Judd any chance she has.

Very, very bitter.

There is much more to this than we currently know.
I'd say there is more to that Trigg departure.

I know for a fact internally, staff were devastated when he left. My sources here are impeccable.

Equally, the replacement Liddle, has been nothing short of brilliant so we got lucky. He has unlocked a pathway to a traditionally difficult membership base.

One thing as a player sponsor I spoke to the club about at end of last year was improving member engagement. What Trigg did well was that weekly communication to the members, id like to see more of it



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Trigg got the titanic of communication between club and supporters turned around, but it was never weekly...let’s not rewrite history here

Trigg was good, he just couldn’t increase the membership numbers sufficiently for some reason so we went and got a guy proven in this area...he’s delivered big time so far.

If we don’t win many games in the back half of the year his job for next year is infinitely more difficult but I’m confident he’ll keep it at a stable level at the very least.

I’d love to not have the cbf’s in relation to Trigg and Caros reporting of the salary cap saga but it would make for an interesting review to see where she sat on the issue. My hunch is that he let her inside the club, softened her stance in relation to the club and then had an important “my sources tell me” taken away.

Her reporting of Triggs removal was disingenuous, he said he’d move to Melbourne and never did. Essentially a part time CEO, yet Caro refused to highlight this point at all. She was probably dirty we’d pinched one of the successful parts of Richmond’s club rebuild in the process.
 

Malifice

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Exactly. What I have been saying for 18months.

The disappointing thing is we didn't learn the lessons of Melbourne.

Would you take a Nathan Jones type as an example if he is retired off? Or Isaac Smith?
If say Jarred Roughead is perfect for us but unfortunately there's not a spot for him

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Roughy is cooked. Plus we dont need another tall. Jones was a gun player, but there are signs he's about to drop off sooner rather than later also, he's having a pretty down year by his standards, and it looks like age might be catching up with him.

A few (gettable) Free agents i'd look at:
  • Ellis-Yeoman from the Crows is a RFA this year. No star, but worth it. 26 years old and averaging 24 disposals a game with a few 30+ games.
  • Jamie Elliot (also a RFA) from the Pies is in the same boat. Definite upgrade on Gibbons, Polson and Fasolo as a small forward (if his hammies hold up).
  • Bachar Houli might be another we could squeeze out from the Tigers. He's a F/A and a very underrated player (basically the Tiges version of Kade Simpson). The Salary cap is tight at Richmond, and he's got a premiership medal already. He might be persuaded to come to us on a 2 year swansong to feather his nest before his impending retirement.
  • Harry Cunningham from the Swans. Recent adductor injury, but he's quick and gets enough of it.
  • Liberatore from the Dogs. Great clearance game; and hard body. Bit of a tool by all reports (like his old man) but he also tackles like his old man, and wins the footy like him too.
All of those blokes we could get for free (other than Cap space).

We also need to throw down this years 1st (Adelaides) and next years 1st in a trade. As for next years 1st, there night be some value in Sydney; they're looking like they really need some young talent coming in the door over the next few years. I'd throw next years 1st rounder on the table, and see what they offer in return. They have senior bodies up there.

Jack Martin from the Suns is another I'd be looking at, using Adelaides 1st rounder this year as a starting point.

We're getting into list management here, so I'll copy/ paste the above into the List management thread, and we can continue the chat there.
 

BrianSetzer

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Polec, pittard, miles, lloyd, Rohan, tyson, preuss, hall

Did we try talking to dalhaus types

We spoke to Goddard in January as part of the rookie replacement, should have been September as a playing coach like Hodge for example

Did we offer up enough cash or terms for Saad, Smith, stringer, rockliff by reports we missed due to contract length

Should we gave kept known knowns? - wright (who left because we couldn't guarantee a spot, surely better than fasolo) lamb, kerridge

Don't have to be world beaters but they were senior bodies who could transmit the gameplan to the kids, protect the kids and contribute

Point is SOS focus on A grade or ex GWS bargain buy ex high picks is what should be reviewed.

Roos when and got guys like Cross and Vince to help stabilise the list for example.

Plenty of options if the list management was in the headspace for it, would have rather seen the Lobbe money spent overpaying rockliff or chasing Saad than on a washed up VFL player

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I know for a fact Saad came down to $$, SOS wouldn't budge. * Didn't offer much more, SOS said take it or leave it.
 

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Understand the sentiment, but not sure any new coach would want the old coach hanging around the sidelines. You’d also think the assistant coaches would need to be looked at.
Thats a valid point: but think its something that could be overcome by having clear distinction and delineation of responsibilities.
 

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Polec, pittard, miles, lloyd, Rohan, tyson, preuss, hall

Did we try talking to dalhaus types

We spoke to Goddard in January as part of the rookie replacement, should have been September as a playing coach like Hodge for example

Did we offer up enough cash or terms for Saad, Smith, stringer, rockliff by reports we missed due to contract length

Should we gave kept known knowns? - wright (who left because we couldn't guarantee a spot, surely better than fasolo) lamb, kerridge

Don't have to be world beaters but they were senior bodies who could transmit the gameplan to the kids, protect the kids and contribute

Point is SOS focus on A grade or ex GWS bargain buy ex high picks is what should be reviewed.

Roos when and got guys like Cross and Vince to help stabilise the list for example.

Plenty of options if the list management was in the headspace for it, would have rather seen the Lobbe money spent overpaying rockliff or chasing Saad than on a washed up VFL player

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You do understand that players actually have a say in where they go?

And not many want to play for a young team on the bottom of the ladder.

There are so many holes in your assumptions.
 

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If anyones job is under scrutiny its Judd. He's the director of footy, and thats the one area we currently suck in.

Say what you want about the rest of the directors, but off field (members, sponsorships, corporate engagement, money) we're actually doing well.

That said, I dont think Judds the problem. He's a good operator despite the ongoing issues with the Footy department. I think the problem is our list is at present way to young, and blame for that ultimately has to fall on SOS. I know we've tried to get in mature players in recent years (Rocky, Shiel) but we really needed to be more aggressive with doing so, without sacrificing our draft hand during the rebuild (get in some Free Agents, including some Hodge types at the end of their careers).

Say what you want, but we have been fielding some insanely young sides this year. At around the same age as GWS/ GCS teams in year 1 of their existence (and have been getting similar results).

We really need to be agressive this year with picking up some established senior players. They dont have to be absolute A graders either. Just solid best 22 types to enable us to leave some kids in the 2's to develop and to have hard bodies in the side.

We went full Melbourne. You never go full Melbourne.
Then why say Judd is the problem, like its a Bug company to fix?
 

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I feel Mark is a lot like Trigg. Steady hands but isn’t going to really drive the club forward.

In fairness, if we are looking for a middle-aged guy in a suit who lacks charisma but is okay at running an organisation - he is fine enough. I guess the problem is that there are a lot of that sort....
 

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Then why say Judd is the problem, like its a Bug company to fix?
I'm not saying Judd is the problem. I think he's a good operator.

I'm saying that our off field (corporate, members, sponsorship etc) is all in order. We've been doing well in those areas for the past few years.

The only area we suck in is the footy department (which is under Judds purview, as the Director of Football operations). The Coach (partly appointed by Judd, and on his recommendation) has just been sacked, we're a shambles on the field, and there are some issues around recruiting and list management (all of which come under his discretion). Coaching, list management, and gameday performances have all been questioned.

Judd is aware of this; he said as much on FC a few weeks ago. Its going to raise questions about his performance. The areas we are weakest in at the moment, are his areas of responsibility (list management, football, and coaching). The question needs to be asked about his performance in his role, and he would be more than aware of this himself.

Here is the responsibilities of each director:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/board
 

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When is Logiudice up for re-election?
 

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My biggest gripe with the current board is that we are letting the AFL control us.
I’d like to see us stand for what is best for our club and things such as home ground and away jumper aren’t being addressed. For instance our supporters, members and even players despise Marvel.
 

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I'm not saying Judd is the problem. I think he's a good operator.

I'm saying that our off field (corporate, members, sponsorship etc) is all in order. We've been doing well in those areas for the past few years.

The only area we suck in is the footy department (which is under Judds purview, as the Director of Football operations). The Coach (partly appointed by Judd, and on his recommendation) has just been sacked, we're a shambles on the field, and there are some issues around recruiting and list management (all of which come under his discretion). Coaching, list management, and gameday performances have all been questioned.

Judd is aware of this; he said as much on FC a few weeks ago. Its going to raise questions about his performance. The areas we are weakest in at the moment, are his areas of responsibility (list management, football, and coaching). The question needs to be asked about his performance in his role, and he would be more than aware of this himself.

Here is the responsibilities of each director:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/board
Fair call Mal … but Judd came more as a high profile player that garnished respect. He is muddling his way through this as best he can, unfortunately right now, firmly on the back foot.

Shirley we cannot throw him out too?

The angle needs to be at the powerbrokers that have done this for the last 20 years and found themselves safe from scrutiny?

The Tail that is wagging the dog.

Its easy to shoot the messenger yes? Need to look deeper.
 

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Scully, hannebury would have cost nothing but cash which we have in spades, once you find out these types can be moved on they should be out bidding the opposition.

Even Rohan, Ellis would have been handy enough additions, they don't need to be superstars just solid contributors that will allow the kids to play more fringe roles until they force these types out of the side.

To me it seems like we put all our cash on Shiel and had no back up plan, we could have used that cash to get 2/3 of those types and we would be better off.
Scully did not want to come to us ... you cant FORCE them.
 
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Malthouse has come out potting the rear vision mirror thinking and powerbrokers around the club having too big a say.

Problem is he hasn't been there for 4 years and a lot has changed. Also, he only got the gig because of those powerbrokers.
 

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Malthouse has come out potting the rear vision mirror thinking and powerbrokers around the club having too big a say.

Problem is he hasn't been there for 4 years and a lot has changed. Also, he only got the gig because of those powerbrokers.
Carlton board amd the powerbrokers in the background is the last part of our club that hasn't modernized.

The evidence is their on what malthouse alludes to.

To court shiel we spent $45k flying him to see Bruce Matheson on the Gold Coast. Bruce isn't on the board, so why would we do that? Because he is behind the scenes pulling the strings via his pokies money.

Don't believe it, well only have to look back 5years as he agitated in the media and got Sticks to step down. Not saying sticks was good or bad, but that's the facts.

We all chastised Edelstein for sitting in the box, we he hasn't disappeared, he still is in the background as part of small powerful coterie.

Compare our board to Brisbanes for example, look at the profiles and the professionally, corporate experience of the people. It's stark in my opinion, they even have 1 position voted on by the members to represent the members. It's a worthy discussion.

https://m.lions.com.au/club/about/board-of-directors

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Roughy is cooked. Plus we dont need another tall. Jones was a gun player, but there are signs he's about to drop off sooner rather than later also, he's having a pretty down year by his standards, and it looks like age might be catching up with him.

A few (gettable) Free agents i'd look at:
  • Ellis-Yeoman from the Crows is a RFA this year. No star, but worth it. 26 years old and averaging 24 disposals a game with a few 30+ games.
  • Jamie Elliot (also a RFA) from the Pies is in the same boat. Definite upgrade on Gibbons, Polson and Fasolo as a small forward (if his hammies hold up).
  • Bachar Houli might be another we could squeeze out from the Tigers. He's a F/A and a very underrated player (basically the Tiges version of Kade Simpson). The Salary cap is tight at Richmond, and he's got a premiership medal already. He might be persuaded to come to us on a 2 year swansong to feather his nest before his impending retirement.
  • Harry Cunningham from the Swans. Recent adductor injury, but he's quick and gets enough of it.
  • Liberatore from the Dogs. Great clearance game; and hard body. Bit of a tool by all reports (like his old man) but he also tackles like his old man, and wins the footy like him too.
All of those blokes we could get for free (other than Cap space).

We also need to throw down this years 1st (Adelaides) and next years 1st in a trade. As for next years 1st, there night be some value in Sydney; they're looking like they really need some young talent coming in the door over the next few years. I'd throw next years 1st rounder on the table, and see what they offer in return. They have senior bodies up there.

Jack Martin from the Suns is another I'd be looking at, using Adelaides 1st rounder this year as a starting point.

We're getting into list management here, so I'll copy/ paste the above into the List management thread, and we can continue the chat there.
I know for a fact Saad came down to $$, SOS wouldn't budge. * Didn't offer much more, SOS said take it or leave it.
You do understand that players actually have a say in where they go?

And not many want to play for a young team on the bottom of the ladder.

There are so many holes in your assumptions.
Scully, hannebury would have cost nothing but cash which we have in spades, once you find out these types can be moved on they should be out bidding the opposition.

Even Rohan, Ellis would have been handy enough additions, they don't need to be superstars just solid contributors that will allow the kids to play more fringe roles until they force these types out of the side.

To me it seems like we put all our cash on Shiel and had no back up plan, we could have used that cash to get 2/3 of those types and we would be better off.
Scully did not want to come to us ... you cant FORCE them.
Exactly. Players weren’t willing and we won’t get many guns this year either. Unfortunately, you need to do better then 2 wins a year. Hopefully we can show something in the second half of the year.

Any chance List Management can be kept out of this thread.

Plenty of other threads to discuss the list.
 

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https://m.carltonfc.com.au/club/about-us/board

I implore one of our many powerbrokers to clean the rot that has festered in our boardroom for far too long and force a board spill.

Members such as Fat Tony himself, Luke Sayers, Jeannie Pratt (her money will be missed), Craig Mathieson and co have presided over what can only be described as poor decisions one after another.

The sacking of Ratten.
The hiring of Malthouse.
The appointment of Bolton (without the nesescary support, where was Neal Craig's replacement?).

If Mike Fitzpatrick is reading this, I beg you to act. The general positive member sentiment towards the current board is at an all time low and the chances of someone being able to dislodge the current heirachy would be high.

Apologies for possibly causing more negative discourse but it has to be said. After today's performance from Mark, it should be the last nail in his boards coffin.

Also just let the record show. I agree with today's decision. It had to be done.
I don't understand your opening statement Pab, you agree with their decision, but you want to turf them out?

MLo may not appear to be the great pres everyone wishes for, but maybe, and I don't know, but maybe he is the glue that holds the board together between what's right for the club and the powerbrokers who have always made waves through the media in the past?
 

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My biggest gripe with the current board is that we are letting the AFL control us.
I’d like to see us stand for what is best for our club and things such as home ground and away jumper aren’t being addressed. For instance our supporters, members and even players despise Marvel.
It appears that way SB,but I think our hands are tied due to our onfield position and pulling power. I'm hoping once the results on field start to turn the club as a whole will gain a little power back.
 
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