Mark Seaby.

[hougie]

Do you read or do you just look at the pictures when you buy a paper. We have pretty much already said pick 26 isnt gonna be enough.

Posturing.

Nothing less than the 1st pick for Judd?

Seems like the any discussions would be in preliminary stages anyway, not worth talking deals yet.

 

[Embers]

Of course you say that but they will come around once there are no better offers and 26 would be accepted. Having said that we are probably overpaying in that case he was woeful this year in a side that finished 15th he was dropped at a ruckmans "prime age" far from increasing his market value which would have been R2 last year.

I say 42 amd if we need to throw in JON if they want him then they can have it or then we just dont do it.

Essendon, Saints, Sydney are all interested. Its not like we have Richmond and Richmond only to deal with. Quyite simply if you cant give a better offer then Seaby can see out the final year of his contract

Seaby is a very nobel man. Hes not gonna have a sook if he doesnt get his way.

 

[Embers]

your right...
in the end west coast are going to want to get at least something for him if he has decided to leave...
but then i don't think he will get to richmond in the PSD with carton, port and melbourne alll most likely after ruckmen

Hes contracted....

 

[ARES]

Remember guys...Seaby plays his best football when he is the #1 ruckman...Hes made to look avarage when hes #2 but he is quality when he gets the #1 Gig.

That said i still think we will only get a late 3rd rounder folr him..Even though i believe hes worth atleast a 2nd rounder.

2008 avg 9 disposals, 3 marks a game, 10 hit outs and less than 1 goal every two games...

Slow and not very mobile...

What are his positives?? None !!

He has played nearly 100 games and what has he got to show for it?? A premiership medallion becaus e WC had no other ruckman to support Cox? What was his influence in the GF? Zilch!

Dud

 

[dyl_tigerman]

Hes contracted....

fair enough i thought he was uncontracted and wants out...
well they have the barganing power....
but can seaby go into the PSD if he is still contracted cos he wants to leave

 

[Brazen]

fair enough i thought he was uncontracted and wants out...
well they have the barganing power....
but can seaby go into the PSD if he is still contracted cos he wants to leave

nope not unless his contract was torn up and he was delisted etc

And Ares as for your post - whats the point of quoting his 2008 stats - everyone in this thread - Richmond and WCE alike - agree his 2008 was unfulfilled while Cox got so much game time...and not the stats youd be solely basing trade value on... be reasonable

 

[peterss]

2008 avg 9 disposals, 3 marks a game, 10 hit outs and less than 1 goal every two games...

Slow and not very mobile...

What are his positives?? None !!

He has played nearly 100 games and what has he got to show for it?? A premiership medallion becaus e WC had no other ruckman to support Cox? What was his influence in the GF? Zilch!

Dud

As i said he is a good ruckman when he has the #1 job. Hes not as good with the #2....So no point showing stats with how he is as a #2....Go look at the stats as him with #1 and youll see he is good.

 

[Bojangles17]

Essendon, Saints, Sydney are all interested. .

do you seriously think any of them would offer better than a R2 selection...NO WAY...you're delusional in the extreme

 

[banana_bus]

Seaby + pick 36 for Pick 8

Deledio, Foley and Riewoldt for Seaby might also suffice.

 

[ARES]

In his career he is averaging 9.1 disposals, 3.1 marks, 11.8 hit outs and 0.7 goals

I dont care if he playes 2nd fiddle to Cox or not. Not once has he dominated a game this year for WC. If he was a good ruckman he would have at least once shown he is capable of being a great ruckman, but no he has been average at best

Last year he played 3 times when Cox didnt and he avg 14 disposals and 19 hit outs...whoopee doo...


Why would Richmond want another average 2nd ruckman when we already have Seaby types? Pattison, Cartledge, graham on our list and the young Putt?

For his height 200cm he sure doesnt get many taps...


This years draft is a very good draft with depth. Anyone trading for average players in 2008 is crazy!

 

[08yearofthetiger]

SIMPLE...
3 way deal..

Richmond in : Seaby, Djerrkura
Out: pick #26, JON

West Coast in: pick 26, JON
Out: Seaby , Pick #36

Geelong in: pick #36
Out: Djerrkura



looks sweet to me , what do you guys think?

 

[TimeFor11]

SIMPLE...
3 way deal..

Richmond in : Seaby, Djerrkura
Out: pick #26, JON

West Coast in: pick 26, JON
Out: Seaby , Pick #36

Geelong in: pick #36
Out: Djerrkura



looks sweet to me , what do you guys think?

Never would I give Cats pick 36 for Djekurra. We dont need him lets not touch him and take a gamble on someone else in the draft. We dont need to involve another club either to get this Seaby deal done if it is to be done.

 

[Gman]

Have you guys seen how soft this bloke is?

If Warnock = 24 and Seaby = 26 then I'll eat my hat. Seaby is a second rate tryhard with no upside.

Warnock has upside. Dont think he' a gun or anything like that but geesh if we get him for 24 and Tigers pay that for Seaby then we've done well.

Even Carlton supporters are laughing at us for contemplating selecting Seaby

we are being dudded

Seaby is not what RFC needs, agree with most others, he is but an average player

 

[beaver fever]

Seaby is not what RFC needs, agree with most others, he is but an average player

The unfortunate thing is, so are Graham, Pattison and Cartledge.

 

[mattdamon12]

pfft. hope we dont get seaby! dont rate him at all,

 

[BILC]

we need someone whos gonna be a number 1 ruckman i seriously doubt seaby will be....................but if he comes to richmond and he is a good no 1 ruckman ill be happy

 

[Gman]

The unfortunate thing is, so are Graham, Pattison and Cartledge.

I agree

He won't bring any value to our team

RFC has enough average talls

If he isnt good enough for Number 1 ruckman to which he aint, then move on RFC!!!!

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

In his career he is averaging 9.1 disposals, 3.1 marks, 11.8 hit outs and 0.7 goals

Seaby's been a back up his whole career but I'll get to that later. First have a look at some other ruckmans career averages.

Cox: 15.1 disposals, 5.4 Marks, 20.6 hitouts, 0.5 goals.
Lade: 11.6 disposals, 5.0 marks, 14.8 hit outs, 0.8 goals.
Sandilands: 11.2 disposals, 3.6 marks, 24.4 hit outs, 0.3 goals.
Hille: 12.1 disposals, 4 marks, 14.4 hit outs, 0.7 goals.
Charman: 9.7 disposals, 3.4 marks, 17.9 hit outs, 0.4 goals.

Now, I'd rate those 5 above guys as better AFL ruckmen and Seaby does alright to hang with them statistically. Obviously he's down in hit outs and disposals but he's up in goals, and that's because he spends a lot of time up forward, waiting for Cox to get tired.

(Incidently, if he were to play as a #1 ruck don't expect him to average 0.7 goals a game but expect more hit outs and disposals, obviously).

Anyhow, taking a look at the games where Seaby has played without Cox, you get this:

R7, 2007: 17 disposals, 16 hit outs, 7 marks, 0.0.
R2, 2007: 13 disposals, 24 hit outs, 4 marks, 0.0.
R1, 2007: 13 disposals, 23 hit outs, 4 marks, 2.0.
R18, 2006: 17 disposals, 16 hit outs, 5 marks, 0.1.
R17, 2006: 9 disposals, 25 hit outs, 2 marks, 0.1.
R16, 2006: 15 disposals, 24 hit outs, 3 marks, 3.0.
R15, 2006: 11 disposals, 32 hit outs, 2 marks, 0.0.
R14, 2006: 8 disposals, 15 hit outs, 2 marks, 1.1.

That averages out to 12.9 disposals, 21.9 hit outs, 3.6 marks and 0.75 goals per game and that compares very well to Sandilands, Hille, Lade, Charman and even Cox. Have a look at their averages again and see.

Now, it's a shame that Seaby has only ever played 8 games without Cox and we don't have a larger sample space but everyone would have to admit for a guy being talked about as a total dud, he's doing alright to hang with guys liek Cox, Sandilands and Hille.

I dont care if he playes 2nd fiddle to Cox or not. Not once has he dominated a game this year for WC. If he was a good ruckman he would have at least once shown he is capable of being a great ruckman, but no he has been average at best!

He's been shit this year but he wasn't alone there.

There are only 2 difference between Seaby and a dozen other senior Eagles players in 2008. Firstly, Seaby's competition for a spot was actually one of the few players to play well this year (Cox); and secondly, Seaby had somewhat of a right to be disgruntled after it became obvious we wouldn't rest Cox even with a broken bone in his foot a dead season by round 11.

Last year he played 3 times when Cox didnt and he avg 14 disposals and 19 hit outs...whoopee doo...!

14.3 disposals and 21 hitouts.

For his height 200cm he sure doesnt get many taps...

Seaby played 14 games this year and ranked 30th overall in hitouts. Only Simmonds got more taps than that on Richmonds list (Pattison ranked 34th).

Seabs also ranked 32nd in average hit outs this year and again, only your lead ruck averaged more (Pattison found himself 45th).

Considering that Seaby doesn't get to lead a ruck division, that's a pretty good performance.

So, at worst, you're getting a little better than Pattison and at best you're getting a guy comparable to Hille, Lade and that crew.

 

[Bojangles17]

Even Carlton supporters are laughing at us for contemplating selecting Seaby

we are being dudded

Seaby is not what RFC needs, agree with most others, he is but an average player

he's actually performed better at the level than warnock, they wont be laughing so hard when they find themselves encumbered to the dud for 4 years

 

[nathanchelsea]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo this guy is useless just draft vickery. I dont think it will happen coz

1. he aint worth pick 26
2. the guy that just took over from miller (i think cameron) said we will go for youth

 

[Wally07]

Seaby is an absolute dud. One of the worst players in the comp. I will spew if we even consider it.

 

[The Cotch]

Seaby is an absolute dud. One of the worst players in the comp. I will spew if we even consider it.

You're funny aren't you

 

[Danog]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo this guy is useless just draft vickery. I dont think it will happen coz

1. he aint worth pick 26
2. the guy that just took over from miller (i think cameron) said we will go for youth

1. I doubt we'd offer pick 26. Pick 42 if anything.
2. 24 years old isn't exactly old.
3. Vickery didn't even get in the top 10 in vertical leap at the draft camp.

 

[coke_zero]

we dont need seaby. if we could get vickery in the draft that would be great but imo hartlett would be better. would give us instant results. really hope he drops to us

 

[The Cotch]

we dont need seaby. if we could get vickery in the draft that would be great but imo hartlett would be better. would give us instant results. really hope he drops to us

If we get Seaby that would enable us to get one of Hartlett/Sidebottom/Ziebell. I dont understand your post.