News Mark Williams not guaranteed Richmond assistant coaching job in 2017

[SunshineBoy]

The same as DH.

Well he us amongst equals ( accountants)

 

[guruisatiger]

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“What is the club doing? They have appointed Ernst Young to conduct a review which to me is nothing more than window dressing.”

Especially when one of our board members is an employee of E.Y?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

But Ernst Young? Is that normal? What does an accounting firm know about football?

E&Y provide a lot of auditing and consulting services in the areas of risk, compliance, and governance in areas ranging from management systems to ohs/whs

Their expertise is understanding how and why decisions are.made and the processes behind them

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I work for a big rival of EY and it's not uncommon to help businesses perform reviews that are non financial eg, process audit, staff audit of their day to day work, but being involved in footy clubs is not common.

They are branching out a lot now

I've lost a.number of tenders to them myself recently in areas they traditionally didn't service

 

[Tiger Claw]

I think choco should stay, but there is a question about our player development, and he runs this dept.

I'm leaning more toward him going but ok with what the club sees fit.

 

[RichoLedio]

Piss all of them off excpet Chocco and Rutten says I

 

[KiwiTiger]

I'm pretty sure Ernst Young do a lot of reviews for various organisations, I could be wrong though. Why you'd get Ernst Young to review a football club though, not 100% sure.

I am a chartered accountant and have risk reviewed many sporting organisations including 4 AFL clubs. It's not unusual, but my personal view is we need a high performance review of Football, and I'm unsure of EY's capability in that field.

Haere Ra

 

[wegetpumped]

“What is the club doing? They have appointed Ernst Young to conduct a review which to me is nothing more than window dressing.”

Isn't one of the current regime apart of that organisation i could swear he was.

 

[wegetpumped]

So most of bf wants choco to remain myself included and the club listen's to bf and other supporter's and they come out with a strategy to name him as the first to go unreal.This club is getting better by the minute not a day.

 

[TheProwler]

“What is the club doing? They have appointed Ernst Young to conduct a review which to me is nothing more than window dressing.”

Need to be seen to be doing something #stabilty

 

[TheProwler]

E&Y provide a lot of auditing and consulting services in the areas of risk, compliance, and governance in areas ranging from management systems to ohs/whs

Their expertise is understanding how and why decisions are.made and the processes behind them

But what do they know about football and decisions around retainment of assistant coaches? If we are not going through and following a defined process then fair enough but the question I and many have is more around ability of the coaching crew more so than process for their KPI's.

 

[tigs2010]

They are branching out a lot now

I've lost a.number of tenders to them myself recently in areas they traditionally didn't service

Did you tender for this RFC gig?

 

[spackler]

I am a chartered accountant and have risk reviewed many sporting organisations including 4 AFL clubs. It's not unusual, but my personal view is we need a high performance review of Football, and I'm unsure of EY's capability in that field.

Haere Ra

Spot on kiwi.
Anyone who has been part of these type of reviews knows it's the content knowledge and terms of reference that matter. Even then you'll likely get a flakey outcome that will only shine a light on the bleeding obvious.
Specialist problems need a specialist solution.

 

[captain cotch 9]

As much of a w#anker that I think he is, Nick Maxwell would be a good get.

 

[docko911]

More focus on money than talent, very familiar....

How about a review undertaken by a group of football experts with no affiliations to the club.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

But what do they know about football and decisions around retainment of assistant coaches? If we are not going through and following a defined process then fair enough but the question I and many have is more around ability of the coaching crew more so than process for their KPI's.

This is a good question, and one that often gets asked.

The people doing them will have some background or education in the area they are reviewing, but the more important thing is their understanding of processes, decision making, and management

The key though is the scope. This determines everything, and indirectly the skill set the review team would need

As kiwi said though, if it was a high performance review, they wouldn't have the skill set unless they contracted it in

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Did you tender for this RFC gig?

We can't do consulting because of conflict of interest

 

[tigs2010]

We can't do consulting because of conflict of interest

Dimma fanbois are conflicted? /Groupie_

 

[Tiger_4_Life]

E&Y provide a lot of auditing and consulting services in the areas of risk, compliance, and governance in areas ranging from management systems to ohs/whs

Their expertise is understanding how and why decisions are.made and the processes behind them

And also being able to identify the culprit for the *up thst occurred hehe

 

[Tiger7374]

Talk suggests they know a Board Member quite well.

Dalton is an EY partner I think.

No problem with any professional firm doing a review...as long as the audit checklist has the decision tree variables that allow them to form an opinion.

Example...do you have a KPI...how is it constucted...how is it measured...does that KPI add value to the RFC if it is achieved...what is the sanction for missing the KPI..what is the reward for meeting the KPI.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

But Ernst Young? Is that normal? What does an accounting firm know about football?

Read somewhere board member Rob Dalton has something to do with Ernst Young.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

And also being able to identify the culprit for the ****up thst occurred hehe

I nearly mentioned this before, but most failures are not technical, but procedural or people

Deep water horizon, Fukushima, bse in the UK, and even the Iraq war

All technically were visable and preventable in hindsight. The issues with them all were poor procedures or processes being followed rote or bad personnel making bad calls

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Dimma fanbois are conflicted? /Groupie_

No, but funny

My main revenue stream prohibits consulting as it can potentially corrupt the impartiality of that work

Rather than have a stand alone consulting org, or the mother of all Chinese walls, my firm decided to stand out of consulting for ethical reasons

 

[prodigy1311]

So the assistant coaches are to be blamed not the head coach...!
The person who put this team together is laughing away collectiing his pay chq.......

Only at Richmond..!

 

[I Rock]

Dalton is an EY partner I think.

No problem with any professional firm doing a review...as long as the audit checklist has the decision tree variables that allow them to form an opinion.

Example...do you have a KPI...how is it constucted...how is it measured...does that KPI add value to the RFC if it is achieved...what is the sanction for missing the KPI..what is the reward for meeting the KPI.

To me, this review seems like a load of horse farts so the Board can use it as PR into taking heat of their poor decision, in particular the resigning of Hardwick. I mean what we are hearing is that Hardwick position is safe, so a big part of the review is already predetermined (a Ziggy) and it's being run by a group with connections to the board. Those two things being said, I'm sure it's all legit. I mean there's is no way the Richmond Board would tell those doing the review before it starts that they like the bathwater and we want you to tell the world how good it tastes.... would they?