Markfs Media Watch

[Markfs]

i've found a bit to write about today but I will settle down in the next few days....so my fans can hold off with their complaints

the vfl footy has just started on the online radio..

I have to register my unease with the way the Collingwood site is reporting the trade period.

It's one thing to give the members the news of what is happening in the media but its another thing to actually seem to be promoting the trading of Collingwood players. The media people need to understand what their role is. They are public relations people. They are not journalists. The role of public relations is to promote the agenda of the club.

I dont believe some of the stuff on the collingwood site is promoting the best interests of the club. The obvious example is Travis Cloke who the media people gleefully reported as being "circled" by other clubs. Fair enough if Travis was halfway out the door but he is under contract.

The next "victim" is Nathan Brown. The problem is that the site is either paraphrasing or directly quoting print media but without the quotes. One example:

While Brown may remain with Collingwood, he shapes as a replacement for Michael Firrito in North’s backline. A move by Brown could help the Pies bring in some draft picks they may need to get other deals done.​

No quotes. When you read it, you forget that it is referring to an Emma Quayle article. It just smacks of disloyalty to me. I would much prefer them to actually write an article about the Age article and to say

The Age article acknowledges that Brown may remain at Collingwood, it does argue that he would be an ideal replacement for Michael Firrito etc etc.
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I argue that it gets worse when you realise that the Collingwood site isnt reporting on claims against Graeme Allan etc. Why not report that?

Once the boys are gone, sink the boot in. They are fair game then as far as I'm concerned..

 

[Markfs]

Mark, how can there be a Collingwood Media thread without any mention of the unbiased Caro and Mark Slobbinson ?

That you have mentioned the Buckley-haters, I refer to the Slobbo article at the start of the year. All the supposed supporters who support the club but turned pretty darn quickly to blame everything on Bucks, Pert and Ed when Sloobo wrote that article about Pies players allegedly taking illicit drugs.

Turns out all those that jumped on Slobbo's bandwagon have proven to be the most fickle of all supporters, considering Slobbo has since come out and said he guessed the numbers......yes he guessed the numbers. WTF? Got the fickle ones right in and they run with the 'bad culture' blah blah. How can they not be considered anything but Buckley-haters ?

Well to use that famous quote "Some people call them patriots and some people call them buckley-haters"....or

One man's buckley hater is another man's Thatsgold...

btw Mark Robinson should be treated carefully this week. He's been away for a week and stayed at a Rehab clinic near Healesville for treatment for his alcoholism. I hope he's feeling ok.

 

[Pie eyed]

Thanks. I expected the enthusiasm to be over the top.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-02/season-review-collingwood-AFL

In hot news, the AFL site has just done a season review of the Pies. Do you ever get the feeling that these guys are getting paid for stringing together a few hundred words around a format that someone invented 10 years ago.

I read the article and I felt that I could have wasted my life doing something a lot more entertaining. If the article was a colour it would be beige. As the local cop says, move along lad, there's nothing happening here.

The Teddy Whitten game is on tv......it's going to be a slow slow weekend...

Unfortunatley they had to write a peice for every side, because that's what was on list they were given.

 

[Markfs]

Unfortunatley they had to write a peice for every side, because that's what was on list they were given.

if i was them, i would have saved time and played some pokemon...

 

[Markfs]

I saw glimpses of the Whitten game and a highlights package of the women's game. They are probably at different ends of the spectrum when it comes to TV viewing. The Whitten match relied almost totally on the personality and reputation of the players. In some ways, it's the aspect of modern sport that have been promoted the most in recent years. The women's game concentrated almost entirely on the actual football. Although a few of the women are getting better known in the last few years, most of them are just names on the team sheet.

I must admit that I was laughing at Fev's schoolboy desire to be the hero. It reminded me of a good natured david brent... He wasnt the only one. The footy skills have diminished but the egos havent. I managed to trip into seeing the last few minutes of the game and it brought a few smiles.

The women's game was an entirely different matter. I was genuinely surprised to see one women shape up to kick from outside 50 and manage to dob it....on the bounce. I recognised it as being a highlights package but there were genuine highlights in there. I've seen elation from the boys over the years....of course the modern generation is getting more and more adept at putting on an after-goal show. However, I dont think I've seen the boys match these women for sheer joy - at least in an "exhibition match".

At least as far as I'm concerned, if the women can maintain the genuine love the game that they showed in that match, I expect that I'll be one of the interested spectators in the new year. As for the old boys, their scriptwriters will need to come up with some new amusing plots to keep me tuned in for the next ted whitten game.

 

[Markfs]

Someone brought this article to my attention
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/4bbbd7771565a8dca37ecba9dd1c7acb

I can only say that the person is a LOT closer to the club than I am..... and that's saying something.

I have to admit that I'm not sure what to think of Mark Robinson. One side of me is a bit sympathetic to his plight. As long as alcoholics dont hurt anyone, then I dont feel any illwill towards them. Generally, I'm pleased to see when they sober up and lead productive lives.

However, on the other hand, Robinson's weakness for the drink doesnt excuse his failures as a sports writer. I realise that he is only a pawn in Rupert Murdoch's strategy of dumbing down all aspects of public life into their lowest common demoninator. I dont hold Robinson responsible for that. However, just because he's an man of average intelligence and a weakness for alchohol, doesnt mean that he should be able to ignore fairness and balance when he is dealing with the lives of people who dont have ready easy to the media so that they can defend themselves.

With these mixed messages in my head, I started to read Robinson's article on the Clokes with a pretty negative attitude. It wasnt until I read the article a second time that I realised that he was giving a reasonable account of the situation, first through the eyes of the clokes and then through how they are currently perceived.

He still makes an ass of himself of course. He blatantly calls Cloke a cheat for wearing the illegal gloves. In my book, when you call someone a cheat, you are saying that they sought to gain an unfair advantage. Although I can recognise that Travis was pretty desperate to perform that day and would have done almost anything to hold his marks..... I still wouldn't call him a cheat without supporting evidence. Some people might argue that the mere fact of doing something illegal is enough, but I need some proof of intent. At any rate, it's an example of how Robinson writes his blogs.... they are loose with the truth and the proof.

But as I said earlier, I keep thinking of the mental pain Mark Robinson must be suffering as he passes each pub....lingering at the door..... urging himseflf to keep walking....... If he's staying on the straight and narrow, then who am I to sink the boot in....

 

[Markfs]

Don't ya love that cute lil commercial from NAB with those footballers. Gee NAB sinks so much into Australian kids doesn't it? Makes me feel warm and fuzzy.....and of course what's that slogan? "more give..less take"..or was that last years? Oh yeh...."more than money"....

I just noticed that the bank made only $3 billion in the last six months.... and gets taxed less than the normal company tax rate..... more than just money...

 

[DERKADERRR]

Im not one to post very often on this site and it has been made even harder these past 4 months while travelling overseas with little access to internet, but with me having a 5 hour wait for a bus and the access to McDonald's wifi I feel it a good time to have a bit of a write up. (I will say though that I always make time for a collingwood game and have only missed 2 because of issues with the wifi)

Firstly, I feel that I must say that you (Markfs) are one of my favourite posters on BigFooty. Your ability to have a good natured unserious poke at the club entertains me but it's when you switch to your serious side is when my attention is really grasped, you seem to be put a lot of time into extremely well thought out responses/posts in regards to collingwood and other issues.

In regards to the media I really do get frustrated, it's people like Robbo who annoy me the most. It seems like he gets away with absolute murder after years and years of subpar journalism and "Exclusive" reports like the drugs bullshit at the start of the year, how this person even aquired a job in this field staggers me. The times when I have enjoyed AFL 360 the most are when someone like Mike Sheehan is filling in for Robbo, the discussions don't stall due to rambling, the questions are inquisitive and the show runs so much smoother. I feel sorry for Gerard Wheatley having to put up with this unprofessional hack.

Barrett is not as bad but still a shocker for different reasons, the major one being his sensationalism and reactionary articles. It reminds me of Tim Lane commentating a game between Geelong and Western Bulldogs in 2009 stating that Geelongs "days of dominance were over" after a slow start, only for Geelong to win by over 100 points.

One of the other reasons I don't post very often is due to a frustration in regards to reactions to either losses, wins or a players form. We go from hailing players as future captains to loathing their existence due to a few poor games. It's just not worth my time to read let alone respond. This is why I appreciate a thread like this, a critical analysis of a problem with a few jokes chucked in there to lighten up a discussion.

Sorry for the semi rant but this is a topic I really am passionate about.

 

[Markfs]

Im not one to post very often on this site and it has been made even harder these past 4 months while travelling overseas with little access to internet, but with me having a 5 hour wait for a bus and the access to McDonald's wifi I feel it a good time to have a bit of a write up. (I will say though that I always make time for a collingwood game and have only missed 2 because of issues with the wifi)

Firstly, I feel that I must say that you (Markfs) are one of my favourite posters on BigFooty. Your ability to have a good natured unserious poke at the club entertains me but it's when you switch to your serious side is when my attention is really grasped, you seem to be put a lot of time into extremely well thought out responses/posts in regards to collingwood and other issues.

In regards to the media I really do get frustrated, it's people like Robbo who annoy me the most. It seems like he gets away with absolute murder after years and years of subpar journalism and "Exclusive" reports like the drugs bullshit at the start of the year, how this person even aquired a job in this field staggers me. The times when I have enjoyed AFL 360 the most are when someone like Mike Sheehan is filling in for Robbo, the discussions don't stall due to rambling, the questions are inquisitive and the show runs so much smoother. I feel sorry for Gerard Wheatley having to put up with this unprofessional hack.

Barrett is not as bad but still a shocker for different reasons, the major one being his sensationalism and reactionary articles. It reminds me of Tim Lane commentating a game between Geelong and Western Bulldogs in 2009 stating that Geelongs "days of dominance were over" after a slow start, only for Geelong to win by over 100 points.

One of the other reasons I don't post very often is due to a frustration in regards to reactions to either losses, wins or a players form. We go from hailing players as future captains to loathing their existence due to a few poor games. It's just not worth my time to read let alone respond. This is why I appreciate a thread like this, a critical analysis of a problem with a few jokes chucked in there to lighten up a discussion.

Sorry for the semi rant but this is a topic I really am passionate about.

Thanks for the support. You're always welcome to make a post here. In all seriousness, I dont put a lot of time into my posts. I have got into the habit of re-reading them - well I try to do that most times - because I used to read them after I posted them and the grammatical errors etc didnt make an easy read. I think it helps to have a goal when you post and the trick is to weave it into a story.

Your thoughts on Mike Sheehan were exactly the ones that I had. I watched the 360 program that week and all the Robinson replacements were so much better than the original. Even Eddie who likes to take over, realised that the program was Gerard's baby and I thought he did what Eddie does well. As for Sheehan, I've never liked him that much. He was part of the retro on the couch program with Healy and Walls and he tried to completely take over from Healy. It was a bit of a laugh. It was like he was out of the limelight for a while and needed a dose of the spotlight on him. But in the 360 programs, he was easily better than Robinson.

The problem with Robinson is that he is a one-trick pony. He is the everyman. The guy down the pub. The guy sitting in the outer who you happen to share a few words with during the game. Nothing really incisive. Mostly its about how he feels about the game. How it affects him. To be perfectly honest, I couldnt give a crap how AFL affects Mark Robinson.

It reminds me of something that I heard about the MTV awards. It seems that they gave Kanye West 4 minutes to do what he wanted. It seems that he stood there or something. I didnt bother finding out. He doesnt interest me. I dont care about his wife and I really couldnt care if he does or doesnt like Taylor Swift. I'm aware of all these things purely because it is difficult to exist in the modern world without being bombarded by them.

I'm not sure why some people exist in the media. West is one of them. Robinson is another. Robinson seems to act as a pseduo friend. I suppose that's why people use twitter. They post messages to Robinson and once every year, he answers their post.... or he has a twitter conversation with someone famous and we feel that we're in their circle of friends.

The strange thing about Barrett is that he is the direct opposite to Robinson is many ways. He is not liked. People dont want to be his friend. He has a commodity - his "contacts" - and people want to have the same information that he has. I can understand that. In some ways, that's a journalists job... to get information. It's when he starts analysing and moralising that he loses me completely. I really couldnt give a crap how he thinks a club should be run. He says that Eddie should retire. Well ok, the guy at the deli at the end of my street says the same thing....... everyone has a right to an opinion I suppose.

Ok. I had my morning coffee and I need to cater for the needs of my employer. Due to the nature of this post, I wont be proofing it before I post....

 

[PepperFace]

I'm making this thread as a contribution to the anti-snarking measures that our highly paid Bigfooty owner wants to introduce into the forums.

In order to reduce the number of snarkers ( I consider myself to be small-fry in the snarking game) , I plan to post only to this thread.

The media and the people commenting on Collingwood are aspects that interests me at the moment. I would welcome any comment to anything that I write and you can put your two-cents in as well. You can expect some snarking if the mood gets to me. Chances are everyone will ignore me and I'll fade away into cyber space.

For my first post, I just watched the "Damien-Lloyd washup of Collingwood" on the AFL site. I was laughing at Damo's comments. At least half a dozen times, he tried to sink the boot into Collingwood and Lloyd walked away from supporting him.

Sometime in the past, Eddie must have bullied Damo something savage. You could see the clark kent glasses twitching as he told us that Collingwood just wasnt up to scratch. He even tried to make Eddie look foolish by ridiculing his barracking at the Eagles game. Much to his credit, Lloyd completely dismissed Damo and said that Eddie was fantastic for the game. I must admit that my opinion of Lloyd has gone up in recent weeks (he did the right thing when he needlessly dumped on a passionate magpies fan)

On the other hand, Damo goes from bad to worse. Something should tell him that he gets a gig on the AFL site as a peddler of rumours etc. He's not there for analysis. He knows a lot about sliming around but very little about the game of football.

I will say from the outset that I actually dont mind Damian Barrett (yes I know, shock horror!). But over the past few years he has continually dug the boots into buckley for cleaning out the clubs senior players in order to bring in youth. He bangs on about how collingwood keep moving the goalposts in respect to when they expect to be competative again (is it 2017 - 2018- 2019 etc.). But one thing that has me perplexed me, is in the past hes compared the Collingwood build (youth) to the North Melbourne build (top up with free agents/oldies). He is adament that North have done the right thing cause their projectory has been up while ours has been down. True, very True.....but did he really think North could win a flag with these oldies? AFL is about winning premierships....not making finals and doing OK.

 

[Markfs]

I will say from the outset that I actually dont mind Damian Barrett (yes I know, shock horror!). But over the past few years he has continually dug the boots into buckley for cleaning out the clubs senior players in order to bring in youth. He bangs on about how collingwood keep moving the goalposts in respect to when they expect to be competative again (is it 2017 - 2018- 2019 etc.). But one thing that has me perplexed me, is in the past hes compared the Collingwood build (youth) to the North Melbourne build (top up with free agents/oldies). He is adament that North have done the right thing cause their projectory has been up while ours has been down. True, very True.....but did he really think North could win a flag with these oldies? AFL is about winning premierships....not making finals and doing OK.

It does seem that his "special" relationship with North clouds his judgement at times. I can see why you might like Barrett. In some ways, I have a soft spot for him. Just like I make allowances for Robinson because of his struggle with alcholism, I can see that Barrett is a survivor from getting the crap beaten out of him at school. His school days must have been terrible. I dont know for sure but he probably got back at all the school bully footy players by finding out about their private lives and then spreading rumours about them. It fits doesnt it?

If he shows his support for North, it's nothing compared to Dunstall and a few others so I can give him a break there. As I said, I'm just not interested in his opinions because he seems to have the backbone of a squib.

 

[Markfs]

Listen I have to say something positive for Robinson...... I'd feel bad if I didnt....well almost

But I stumbled on his All-Australian team and he left Selwood out..... need I say any more...

 

[Vicky Park]

This thread is going swimmingly well Markfs.

Can we make requests? I'd like to know what you think of Jason Dunstall. For some reason, he - of all the 'experts' on TV and radio - infuriates me the most. Not sure why. I'm hoping that you, with your insights, can shed some light on my loathing for him. You might even help me recover from it, and become a better person in the process. No pressure, of course.

 

[Markfs]

This thread is going swimmingly well Markfs.

Can we make requests? I'd like to know what you think of Jason Dunstall. For some reason, he - of all the 'experts' on TV and radio - infuriates me the most. Not sure why. I'm hoping that you, with your insights, can shed some light on my loathing for him. You might even help me recover from it, and become a better person in the process. No pressure, of course.

swimmingly. I'm thinking of syndicating the column... btw..You can certainly make requests. The theory is that this thread quarantines me from sensitive people that the famous owner of this site is hoping to protect. It doesn't mean that brave souls like yourself cant venture in and post.... and take the risk of being ridiculed and debased.

Jason annoys me too. Actually, I think the main reason is that he could be intelligent and have hidden agendas...... and we all know about how we hate intelligent people who use footy to make subtle subliminal messages...

I might have to do it later when I'm pursuing my work avoidance routine. I just came back from a mind-numbing meeting and I need to do some things in the real world......I'll ponder your question for a few hours..

 

[Markfs]

This thread is going swimmingly well Markfs.

Can we make requests? I'd like to know what you think of Jason Dunstall. For some reason, he - of all the 'experts' on TV and radio - infuriates me the most. Not sure why. I'm hoping that you, with your insights, can shed some light on my loathing for him. You might even help me recover from it, and become a better person in the process. No pressure, of course.

Ironically Robinson might provide you with an answer
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...nd-off-the-field/story-fni5f0at-1226727929448

From 5 minutes research on dunstall provided to me by the happy drunk, we can say that Dunstall is:

1. smart
2. loyal
3. arrogant
4. aloof
5. loves hawthorn

Some people might get upset by 3 and 4. That might be you.

I get more disturbed by 1 and 5. He seems to have a hawthorn agenda and he is very very discreet.....

 

[Markfs]

i clicked on fox footy to waste a few minutes. I suppose I shouldnt be surprised that the whole world is about rugby league at the moment. It was a bye weekend after all. So I click the AFL button and look at a Ben Cotton assessment of Collingwood. Who is Ben? Good question. He might be a gridiron player in the US or he might be a blogger in England....or he might have a vey low profile.

What does he say? Do I need to tell you? It's a well worn path already......very well worn. Evidently 10th is the best we can do next year......

Maybe this Ben should be renamed "Fine Cotton"....

 

[Robroy22]

Just been reading the AGE articles on Richmond's self flagellation and I have to wonder...."Where's Caro?"
Surely she has the inside mail on this meltdown? It's her club after all?
So Mark...can you tell me...Has Caro gone on holidays? Or is she just building up to the superstory? The expose that melts our minds?

 

[Robroy22]

and an hour later the lady surfaces!
I must have roused her heckles?

 

[Markfs]

and an hour later the lady surfaces!
I must have roused her heckles?

It seems that she only awakens after the sun has fallen below the horizon....

 

[Robroy22]

It seems that she only awakens after the sun has fallen below the horizon....

Hmmm....now I'm really concerned

 

[legendstatus]

Who's the Pie that according to footy classified has been severely punished?


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[Markfs]

Who's the Pie that according to footy classified has been severely punished?


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Are you applying for the job of quizmaster? ...Tell me the answer and you get the job.

I was thinking of starting a word association thread within this thread too.....so there will be plenty of fun and games in the months ahead...

 

[legendstatus]

Are you ok?


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[Markfs]

Are you ok?


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i'm fine...thanks for asking... how are you?

 

[mike123]

i clicked on fox footy to waste a few minutes. I suppose I shouldnt be surprised that the whole world is about rugby league at the moment. It was a bye weekend after all. So I click the AFL button and look at a Ben Cotton assessment of Collingwood. Who is Ben? Good question. He might be a gridiron player in the US or he might be a blogger in England....or he might have a vey low profile.

What does he say? Do I need to tell you? It's a well worn path already......very well worn. Evidently 10th is the best we can do next year......

Maybe this Ben should be renamed "Fine Cotton"....

Did he say anything else of note? Did he try to analyse? Did he say something that hasn't already been mentioned on this forum a thousand times?