Autopsy Marking the ball inside 50 - catching it and dropping it analysis

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Have been meaning to do this for 3 or 4 weeks but will do the Bulldogs game even if it takes me 3 or 4 days. I will post quarter by quarter in different posts. Time is time left in the quarter as per TV graphic

1ST QUARTER

19.03 Georgiades running back towards goal, 10m gap to his opponent gets a 40m chip kick from Marshall who was inside the centre square in space and Georgi marks just ahead of 50m arc line inside 45 degrees then goes back and low pass to Fantasia about 30m out on a 60 degree angle. Raz marks goes back and goals.

17.00
Burton from inside the centre square does a long 50m kick to a pack of 4. The Ball was going to Georgi and Cordy, Marshall starts behind them both and Bailey Williams come in from their right hand side and form a pack of 4 as per first photo.

Marshall gets to the front of the pack, misjudges it and just sticks up one arm

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Marshall's hand actually hits the ball and gets in Georgi's way. Dogs clear the spillage

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15.06 Ladhams running backwards no body pressure drops a chest mark. Ladhams eventually gathers the spillage, but bulldogs troops have arrived and tackle him and get hands on the ball and clear the area.

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At 16.03 the clearances are 0-6.

At 13.12 Bruce marks goes back and kicks the ball and clock stops at 12.50 and score is 1.0 v 1.0.


12.25 Amon 50m bomb from a free, push in the back, after centre bounce down and players fighting for a clearance, to a pack of 3 x 2. No surprise ball goes over Charlie's head, Georgi is jumping onto someone's back and Marshall isn't putting a block on.

Cordy, the defender at the back whom, Marshall didn't block is the one who got the fist in and punches the ball forward and dogs crumb the pack and clear the ball up the outer wing.


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11.10 Marshall on a lead marks ball in centre square to the members side of the centre circle puts in a 40m kick to Georgiades leading up and jumps at the ball up near Telstra sign on the 50m arc. gets a very slight hand in the back from Duryea whilst in the air and drops the mark. Duryea gets spillage handballs the ball outside 50m, there is a scrap for the ball Port ends up with it and



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10.58 DBJ bombs the ball inside 50 from 55m out, 1 v 2 Bont flies for the ball on his teammates back, drops it, Gray collects spillage, kicks at goal but a smoother from Smith and ball goes out of bounds.

7.53 Bulldogs kick their 2nd goal and its 1.0 v 2.1.

2.55 Boak gets a holding free at follow up centre bounce down (after dogs 5th goal commentator says its 17 inside 50's to 6 doggies way), advantage paid to Rozee who bombs it 50m to the members wing side, goes wide of Dixon who is playing centre of forward 50m him, Keath playing inside Charlie has peeled off him, Cordy is playing in front of Georgie. Heath gets there to impact the Georgi/Cordy contest. Keath gets a big fist in, Drew knocks it forward, Charlie grabs then quick handballs it towards Robbie, who scoops up the ball near boundary line.


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2.45 Bonner ends up with the ball and drives it towards the goal square where Georgi at 2.39 takes an uncontested mark near the line and goal post. Goes back and kicks a goal.

1.57 Drew
from a centre bounce loose ball gets a 40m left foot snap/hack kick down the middle of the ground.. Ball is high middle yellow speck

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Ball lands in middle of Charlie and Georgi and their opponents, and you can see Easton Wood has left Robbie in his wake. Easton Wood gets the spoil, but Robbie makes up for his slow start, getting to the contest by tackling Cordy who handballs towards Easton Wood but Georgi gets a hand in, knows it down, the ball bounces up to him and along the boundary line does a left foot Daicos Dribble and hits the post.

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Raz screaming for the handball so he can have a shot and probably kick a point as well,

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First quarter done, 3 more and 43 inside 50's to come.

2 Marks inside 50 Raz and Gergi for 2.0.
 
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2nd quarter analysis to come. 14 Inside 50's.

17.55 Robbie after marking handballs to Hammer who on the run from 55m out bombs a goal.

17.20 Boak gets a push in the back free on outer wing 70m from goal and he centres ball to about 40m
from goal where Marshall lead but ended up being 2 on 1 Bailey Williams pushes back and Marshall jumps into him the ball hits the top of their hands at highest point as Cordy doesn't quiet make it to spoil.

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Ball goes over back of pack, Keath hack kicks towards boundary, DBJ marks a 10m kick called play on, handballs outside of 50m arc to Wines for one two and kicks to other side of the ground, marked by Bonner 65m out.

16.55 Bonner plays on from mark bombs from 65m out to top of goal square.

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Georgiades gets his hands on the ball but the freeze frames I took don't clearly show if Bailey Williams did or didn't get a fist on the ball or if Cordy clipped the side of his head. Need a shot from behind the goals for confirmation

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And off the pack Robbie crumbs it and Daniel tackle puts Robbie's head into the turf and no free.

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Umpire balls it up, Charlie outbodies Keath, grabs the ball, does a 360 spin, handballs towards Rozee 15m, but misses him and becomes a loose ball, Marshall scoops it up swings onto left and fires a 20m left foot pass to Amon.

16.39 Amon marks 40m out 60 degree angle on members side flank. Takes the set shot and slots it,


Centre Bounce Ladhams gets tap straight to Boak who handballs forward towards Motlop, its bounces and re runs towards ball picks it up, handball backwards back to Boak, who goes backwards with a handball to Farrell who on the wing centre square line just forward of middle bombs 50m to put the ball about 25m straight out i front of goal.

Dixon, Marshall and Gray and their defenders run towards the drop of the ball


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Robbie pulls out at the last second lets his man Bailey Williams take the front spot in front of Charlie, gets crunch, Charlie as he regularly does, only puts up one arm/hand to go for the ball, the other to balance off Williams coming across him, Keath grabs at Charlie's arm, Marshall has backed off, blocked Cordy jumping into Charlie and Robbie has stopped and put himself behind and to the right of Charlie for the crumbs.

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15.56 Fantasia grabs the crumbs, avoids Robbie and Marshall's positioning means Cordy an't smother his shot on goal and Raz nails it from 25m out.


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14.37 Farrell marks the ball 65m straight out from goal goes for a pass into space in between Motlop running towards goal and the boundary and Raz leading forward, 40m from goal, ball bounces up, Motlop grabs it and goes to handball over the top to Raz, but does a dumb runs back out to 50m arc line gets away from chasing opponent and puts in a barely 15m pass to Drew.

14.27 Drew marks 40m out just wide of the Telstra 45 degree line. Goes back and just scraps it in. Game is back to 6.1 v 6.2. Clock stops at 13.45 to go so we have kick 4 goals in just over 6 minutes of game time.


From Centre Bounce Ladham gets tap, Bont sharks it, Drew tackles, ball spills to Wines who get clearance handball to Ladhams who hits up Marshall on the members wing with a nice 30-35m kick, Marshall spins around puts in a 40m centreing kick to 30m straight out in front. Keath is grappling with Charlie, Crozier has left Gray again to be 3rd man up and Georgi and Cordy know the ball

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Dixon jumps at this - 2 feet basketball style as I noted Malcolm Blight's comment about him in the Big ******* Dix thread, he's at full stretch and Crozier gets enough of a fist to the ball that it goes out the back. Robbie is out the back and to the left and out of shot below and Raz is to the right of screen waiting for a crumb whereas as his opponent Daniel is waiting closer to the pack.

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Ball spills out the back Robbie is onto it so is Daniel and Raz. Daniel gets there first but puts in a little tap ends up with Farrell and a ball and all tackle and ball up at the top of the goal square.

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Ball up on top of square comes off Keath's hand to a ground ball, Drew in the goal square trying to stop the Bont, gets to the ball first bending over fires out a handball to Ollie who snaps a goal.

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Clock stops at 13.08 after the goal so Port has kicked 5 unanswered goals from 6 inside 50's in 7 minutes of game time.

So of the 6 inside 50 kicks / bombs, none were marked, Hammer kicked a goal from 55m out, 1 was into open space that saw a short pass to Drew mark and goal, 1 was roved off a pack by Raz and 2 ended up resulting stoppages and before the Doggies could get the ball out of 50m the Amon mark and the Wines snap.

From Centre Bounce Wines gets clearance handball to Ladhams who runs straight toward goals but puts a 25m kick to a leading Georgi wide of him and wide of the Telstra 50m sign. Georgi does a fend off and forearm get opponent in the neck and umpire pays a free against him and dogs clear the ball. Soft free kick.

12.30 - about 20 seconds later SPP gets a handball is about 53m out in front of centre square corner of western side but slips as he kicks and ball goes bouncing about 20m forward and doggies clear the 50m arc.


9.35 SPP has a mark out wide on the eastern wing bangs it 50m towards Charlie and Georgi, Bruce has pushed back, Cordy is with Georgi and R. Smith #37 trying to impact contest. Dixon and Bruce were in the centre bounce down after Bont's goal, Charlie got the tap, bounced off Libber back to Charlie, a handball to Boak who chips to Bonner on the wing centre square line, who then chips to SPP and both Charlie and Bruce have run towards goal. Dixon would have got the slightest of touches.

So off his hands and lands in Fantasia's lap about 2m inside the 50m arc who does a short 5m dribbler left foot under tackling pressure and loose ball is jumper on by players and a ball up. Second ball up happens and then Treloar is called for a throw and SPP gets a free 45m out straight in front

9.01 SPP starts running in for set shotand slots the goal.

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Still in the 2nd quarter analysis to come.

7.25 SPP out wide on the western wing puts a 30m pass to Raz on the boundary line who marks 40m out, plays on and rather than having a shot on goal puts the ball between Marshall and Georgi, Marshall was trying to keep Keath from getting to the contest and Georgi had a direct run at the ball but Cordy coming from the goal square makes the spoil. Spillage is picked up by Farrell who as is running out of bounds handballs into play but Duryea intercepts the handball and clears the 50m to Naughton.

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5.45 Boak toe pokes the ball inside 50 from just outside the arc, Rozee runs onto to it under pressure taps it back to Boak, who bends over picks it up handball to Mots who doges and weaves ad then does a chechie from the boundary line 20m out but goes across the goal and looks like a point but a review shows it hit the far point post fat padding on the full right down by its base. 70+ seconds was wasted on this review.

3.10 Ladhams gets a free from a boundary throw in and also gets a shallow inside 50 from a 40m kick that went over Charlie's head as he was leading towards towards Ladhams. Bulldogs clear the 50m arc. Once again Charlie only puts one arm up, partly because Keath has both his arms around Dixon and partly to protect himself as he crashes in to Rozee.

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0.41 Drew gets a free for push in the back on the wing on outer wing in line with centre circle drives a 40m kick just inside 50 to Charlie and Georgi who compete against each other and spoil each other.

Charlie again goes up with one hand. Not sure why, if he was trying to balance himself off other players but he's basically spoiling Mitch.


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the ball comes off the pack Farrell picks it up, bounces of a Dogs player, handballs backwards outside the arc, to Hammer, who sides steps his oppoent runs back insie the arc, handballs to Georgi, then back to Farrell, who gets tackled and spun and handballs back outside the 50m arc to Ollie but Treloar intercepts the handball, clears the 50m arc towards Bont in the middle of the ground. But Bergman puts a tackle on the Bont that forces him to make an incorrect disposal.

0.17 Bergman kicks the ball 25-30m to Georgiades who takes a contested mark 49m from goal 30 degrees to the left of centre of the goal.

Georgiades has a set shot after the siren he runs straight at the right hand goal post rather than middle of the goal, but pushes it a bit to the right and 3 or 4 metres short and Charlie slaps it thru for a point but its a no score kick.

4 Marks inside 50. Amon and Drew goal 2.0. Raz goes for a centreing pass at top of goals square from the boundary and georgi after siren doesn't score from mark taken 49m out so a 53m kick.


============= 3RD QUARTER ANALYSIS ==============

Opening bounce, Ladhams hits ball down to small centre circle area, Boak runs to scoop it up, gets tackled by Macrae as doing so, never had control, Macrae holds on and umpires pays a holding free to Boak right in the middle. Boak kicks it 50m straight down the middle.

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Marshall and Cordy grappling, Keath has arms around Charlie and Crozier has come off Georgi to spoil.

Charlie sticks up one hand after getting under the ball again, just touches it, but Crozier gets spoil. Georgi gets the looseball, handballs (hb) to SPP who snaps the ball unbalanced, ball bounces at top of goal square then bounces again 3m from goal line a metre inside the goal post but takes a big right turn and goes thru for a point.

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16.27 Rozee on outer wing near centre square line, hb to Boak who is inside centre square runs to about 15m from centre square line near middle and sees Marshall free 35m from goal 45 degree angle on other side kicks a 40m pass to him, is surrounded by 3, Williams jumps from back and Cordy comes in from front. Nicholls pays a mark to Marshall but was probably more a free. Marshall misses set shot on goal.

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15.10 Ladhams marks ball on outer wing. A long 50m kick to a pack. Charlie’s left arm being held by Keat. Gets right arm free but drops ball going for ball one handed. Ball goes to ground players force a ball up at 15.00. Daniels clears ball out of 50m.

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14.49 Rozee gets the ball on outer wing and snaps ball around the corner kick 40m to Marshall standing about 15m in front of the goal square. Crozier sat back and Raz was forward of him by 10m, so Crozier spoils Marshall v Cordy easily. They clear the 50 as a result

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14.27 DBJ from a mark on members wing bombs ball 50m to Charlie and a pack. Crozier comes off his man to assist Keath, who is holding Charlie’s left arm and make spoil.


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14.05 Doggies clear previous inside 50 but kick it out on the full member’s wing middle of the ground. Short inboard kick to DBJ 15m in from boundary, goes back and repeats bomb inside 50 to Charlie and a pack. Ball goes over Charlie's head Cordy comes of Marshall and puts a spoil in rather than go for the mark.

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12.25 Bruce takes a contest mark and kicks a goal score is 8.3 v 10.3 and clock stops at 11.42

11.42 Centre bounce down, bit of a battle for ball, Wines gets a high tackle free just backwards of centre circle. Takes a bit of time and heads straight down the ground with a 50m kick to a pack towards Charlie and Georgi.

Heath holds Charlie’s left arm again. Bont steps back and jumpsbut Georgi having a better jump than Charlie and jumps into Bont’s back, but Bont gets a hand on it first rather than Georgi.

Motlop catches the spillage, hb outside the 50m, to Hartlett, who has to dodge a player and blazes from 51m out and it goes wide and out of bounds 15-20m around from point post on members side.

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11.06 Boundary throw in, Bailey smith gets a clearing kick but partially smothered, gets outside 50, Rozee runs onto it, does a side step runs thru Telstra sign and kicks it to right of goal and Marshall takes a mark. 3m out from point line between goal and point post at 10.56. Then takes all of 3 seconds to rush and kick to Ollie. It goes high over his head he just touches it and deflects it from Motlop who could have caught it if Ollie didn’t tough it. But it was meant for Ollie. (Have reached my limit of 20 photos but screen shot shows Motlop would have marked the ball if Ollie didn't get a hand to it, but he wouldn't have known Mots was behind him).


Bulldogs rebound the ball on member’s wing but Jonas takes an intercept mark at 10.30 on HBF. Port chip around a bit ball gets to our CHF square line then Bulldogs turn it over and get the ball up forward and Naughton takes his speckie at 9.52. He goes back to kick his goal takes off about 10 seconds then wheels around kicks the goal and clock stops at 9.36. Score is 8.3 v 11.3

So after 10.24 of game time, Port has gone inside 50 x 8 times for 2 pts and Marshall is the only one to mark the ball inside 50 taking 2 marks kicking a point and a stupid fu** up.
 
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I'm not sure Ports of recent years has ever had a clean effective way forward, especially to a leading forward, Schulz was the last lead.
 

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Have posted analysis and screen shots up 9.36 to go in 3rd quarter.
Many thanks for this, REH. As video forensics go, very revealing thus far.

When you are done, and seek to summarise, could you devote a chapter to those six or so minutes in the 2nd quarter when we proved, I think, that we play much more productively when we do without Charlie, and the opposition defence has no Plan B as a result.
 

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Ill just wait for a "and in conclusion" post
It seems that a humongous percentage is “bomb to Charlie,” with Mitch usually joining the 4-/5-player pack. Sometimes, we end up spoiling ourselves. We almost never mark. There’s rarely a free.

It would all depend on winning the contests. Where’s the thinking?

“Is there a better option?”
“Is there an open space we can explore?”
“Am I close enough to a shot for goal?”
“Should we keep possession until there’s a mismatch we can explore?”

No. Get the ball, kick inside 50, pray.

I really hope RussellEbertHandball does a concluding post. If he also shows me that I’m wrong, it would be a plus.
 

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Ill just wait for a "and in conclusion" post
My conclusions from that evidence:

1 - We don’t kick inside 50 with much thought or system. That helps explain our low scoring efficiency.

2 - Dixon doesn’t read the ball well, or lead enough, but KPDs also get away with scragging that might be called for frees for other forwards.

3 - Too often we have multiple KPFs going for the same mark, rather than creating space for each other. It just makes it easier for opposition defenders to spoil the ball.
 

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It seems that a humongous percentage is “bomb to Charlie,” with Mitch usually joining the 4-/5-player pack. Sometimes, we end up spoiling ourselves. We almost never mark. There’s rarely a free.

It would all depend on winning the contests. Where’s the thinking?

“Is there a better option?”
“Is there an open space we can explore?”
“Am I close enough to a shot for goal?”
“Should we keep possession until there’s a mismatch we can explore?”

No. Get the ball, kick inside 50, pray.

I really hope RussellEbertHandball does a concluding post. If he also shows me that I’m wrong, it would be a plus.
You ain’t wrong Grem.

Why is this so? Because Our Ken doesn’t have to do any better to keep his job well into the future.
 

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- Our forward setups are trash. Defenders must love playing us when we have 3 talls going for the same mark.

- Dixon gets held a lot. Is it because of his size that the umpires turn a blind eye? The club really should ask what constitutes a free kick for a key forward.

-Not only was that a free to Gray but helmet head should've been fined, looked worse than the Jonas one.
 
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Great work ReH, what it does show apart from dropping marks is our sh*t disposal or kicks to advantage into the forward line
MG needs to avoid jumping with Charlie.

If Charlie repeatedly goes one handed, then he shouldn't try to mark, just tap it to a crumbing forward.

Crozier seems to have done most of the 3rd man up spoiling. Someone needs to do the sacrificial team act and sit on him, or stand in front to block his run, so he can't spoil.

We need to hold marks better!
 

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Oh yeah.
And we need to show the umpiring department ALL of those holding frees against Dixon.
Don't whinge.
Just ask them "was that a holding free?" then move onto the next exhibit.
After about 15 examples they will get the point!
 

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MG needs to avoid jumping with Charlie.

If Charlie repeatedly goes one handed, then he shouldn't try to mark, just tap it to a crumbing forward.

Crozier seems to have done most of the 3rd man up spoiling. Someone needs to do the sacrificial team act and sit on him, or stand in front to block his run, so he can't spoil.

We need to hold marks better!
Easton Wood plays 3rd man up tall defender but he was subed off with a hamstring injury at quarter time. You see #10 in several of the first quarter photos. Crozier was rhe medical sub and replaced Wood as the 3rd tall defender for the rest of the game and did a good job. They are both 187cm. Jonas is 188cm.
 

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