News Marley Williams charged with assault

[Quicky]

Retaining him on our list is not the same as condoning his action. Obviously he did something awful, but abandoning the guy to the winds of fate is not going to help him, society or the club. I hope the club doesn't fold to external pressure and tries to rehabilitate him.

Rehabilitate is such a wanky pc word. But I agree with your sentiment here. I hope we stick by him and he becomes a better character at the end of it. Innocent or guilty, that's what you hope for.

 

[Quicky]

I can't get it to work(sad face)

It's worth the effort if you can get it rolling. Quality.

 

[gazzaguru]

That's a big call to make with zero supporting evidence pal, however if true its a mug coward act and he should have the book thrown at him.

now I will reply
its taken awhile and you were all mouthing off but the truth or some of the truth has come out and it is a dog act and you can add changing ones story and lying to it
THATS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT
TOILET INCIDENTS ARE FABRICATION

 

[Bard]

The club would have prepared for this outcome and they'll have a contingency in place.

Anyhow this is what Marley needs right now.

 

[Quicky]

now I will reply
its taken awhile and you were all mouthing off but the truth or some of the truth has come out and it is a dog act and you can add changing ones story and lying to it
THATS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT
TOILET INCIDENTS ARE FABRICATION

These are some big statements you make.

I think it is fair to ask how you know it?

Were you there that night? Do you know the people involved? Is it a fourth hand rumour?

 

[TheFreshBanana]

I don't believe the club should sack Marley, although I don't know how this affects his place on the list.

Does anyone know how long his sentence would be?

Just because the judge or jury believes Marley to be guilty, doesn't mean it's the same view the club does. Or it's the right view. And even if it were, once Marley has finished his sentence, he should be given every opportunity to play for us again. From what we've seen of him on-field and off-field, that should be enough. As long as the club believes he's paid his dues.

Sorry if I got any information wrong, haven't been following, just read the last 2 pages.

 

[loki04]

Well yes it can be a gateway drug and if you go down the heavier drug routes there will be pain, but not pain caused by marijuana which has proven to be largely safe to smoke occasionally, all though it can cause some brain problems in certain people who are regular users. Still safer than smoking cigarettes and it doesn't cause violence on the streets which is why I group them together.

I think you slightly misinterpreted the quote of mine you bolded

Can give you schizophrenia which certainly makes people aggressive.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

What he gets, he gets. I won't lose sleep over a jail term.
He could of killed somebody. Could have been YOUR son, YOUR brother.
How would you feel then??

Depends on whether I raised a shithead son that provokes footballers to be a hero.

 

[ClokesShankedIt]

Look forward to seeing him in the black and white come round one.

Some of you are carrying on like Williams r*ped a baby or something. Instead some hero picked a fight with a football with a couple of mates backing him up and received a broken jaw for his troubles. Oh the humanity!

The problem isn't Williams, it's the fact that Australians can't handle their piss. We (as a group) slam it down and then act surprised when the shtf at 2 am. IMO this is were legal marijuana can help. If a few spliffs had been circulating the venue then the edge might have been taken on the booze fueled aggression.

 

[soreplums]

Can we put him on the long term injury list and promote a rookie if he gets time?

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Look forward to seeing him in the black and white come round one.

Some of you are carrying on like Williams r*ped a baby or something. Instead some hero picked a fight with a football with a couple of mates backing him up and received a broken jaw for his troubles. Oh the humanity!

The problem isn't Williams, it's the fact that Australians can't handle their piss. We (as a group) slam it down and then act surprised when the shtf at 2 am. IMO this is were legal marijuana can help. If a few spliffs had been circulating the venue then the edge might have been taken on the booze fueled aggression.

I imagine a world where 'bars' are simply full of bean bags, the sticky floors are replaced with twisty-covered orange crumbs, a low buzz of giggling punctuates the dull roar of men and women saying 'whoa' a lot, and every TV screen is showing cult classics in-between breakfast cereal commercials.

In this scenario, the 3 amigos would have simply 'harshed Marley's mellow', he would have told the smokeologist that three dudes were bumming him out and they would have been slowly ushered outside where they would have immediately flown their 'spaceship' back home.

SIgh.

Instead, now we have the lives of a lot of people ruined because these knuckleheads poked the bear with a stick. I feel so sorry for Marley - anyone who wants to have a go at him would do well to consider that none of this would have happened if he'd been left alone. I hope the metal plate in the jaw of that prick causes him grief every time he goes through an airport, because Marley is now tainted for life with a criminal record for an act he'd never really wanted or sought out.

 

[mattys123]

Can we put him on the long term injury list and promote a rookie if he gets time?

I guess the only precedent of recent times would be Andrew Lovett at St Kilda.

I thought he was delisted straight away, not sure how that worked in terms of list management, rookies etc though.

Not that I want Marley delisted, this isn't something new, we've known for a long time now what he did, the verdict or any sentence shouldn't make a difference to that.

 

[FuManchu]

The unfortunate reality is, Williams if he was provoked should have walked away. that is the law, that is what is expected of us all. If his going to jail has a benefit to the community by showing that this type of crap is not tolerated, then so be it.

Its a shame, but football is meant to reflect society's values, not society bending to accomodate football's needs.

 

[ipswichpies]

Retaining him on our list is not the same as condoning his action. Obviously he did something awful, but abandoning the guy to the winds of fate is not going to help him, society or the club. I hope the club doesn't fold to external pressure and tries to rehabilitate him.

Excellent post mate and one I agree with 100%,it is not like there are no exenuating circumstances in this affair it is not like some completely innocent bystander has been struck.

The person who has been hit is as much as fault as Marley himself,there are no innocent parties in this whole matter.The 3 of them jumped him prior to this incident why have they not been charged over that,if we are talking about justice for all then surely the victim and his 2 mates should be charged also.

 

[Seedsfan]

Excellent post mate and one I agree with 100%,it is not like there are no exenuating circumstances in this affair it is not like some completely innocent bystander has been struck.

The person who has been hit is as much as fault as Marley himself,there are no innocent parties in this whole matter.The 3 of them jumped him prior to this incident why have they not been charged over that,if we are talking about justice for all then surely the victim and his 2 mates should be charged also.

It is because Marley is not a ****ing dog. Talking to cops, as it is a minor offence Marley would have to get the cops to charge them

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I pray for the most lenient sentence available.

Hoping the judge is a logical guy:

"Look dude, you broke a guy's jaw when realistically you didn't have to, which is why you're guilty of GBH, but in the end, the circumstances, while not justifying your actions, lend a little more credence to why it took place".

Hopefully a 6 month suspended sentence with a decent fine and some community service?

 

[theroach78]

Terribly disappointing for everyone. Let's hope the club sticks by him and gives him guidance. Hopefully, they can get Krak to visit him and help him as well.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Surely the community work he did would be taken into consideration. It's not like Marley is a danger to society now. Would've thought the suspended sentence is the way to go, but the law is so f'd up in this country, who knows?

Yes, it is.

But 12 jurors found Williams guilty. And it seems pretty quickly too.

Unprovoked attacks occassioning bodily harm are not justified under any circumstances and provoked attacks in nearly all circumstances.

I don't see how the law is ****ed up in this instance.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Unfortunately too many people have died from a single punch and the perpertrators have got off lightly in the courts. He will probably not get off as lightly as some of those in the recent past.

As to whether he is retained or delisted by Collingwood, I'd like to see them support him if possible. But it depends how long he is banged away for, its a football club and you cant leave a player on your list indefinitely is he is not going to be playing football. GBH is not something that you are going to get a fine or suspended sentence for, its at the very upper end of the scale.

 

[TheWing121]

Excellent post mate and one I agree with 100%,it is not like there are no exenuating circumstances in this affair it is not like some completely innocent bystander has been struck.

The person who has been hit is as much as fault as Marley himself,there are no innocent parties in this whole matter.The 3 of them jumped him prior to this incident why have they not been charged over that,if we are talking about justice for all then surely the victim and his 2 mates should be charged also.

That is assuming they did jump him prior to the incident. From the newspaper readings it doesn't appear there was any evidence they did assault him.

Anyway, I would like to see the club support him. While not condoning the actions something that he did in late 2012 probably as an 18 year old shouldn't have to ruin his career. Weather they look at an extreme punishment like suspending him for the season or placing him back on rookie list and making him earn his spot. I am not sure what the right answer it, Collingwood cannot be seen to condone actions like this but one stupid action as a teenager shouldn't cost him his career

 

[Seedsfan]

Yes, it is.

But 12 jurors found Williams guilty. And it seems pretty quickly too.

Unprovoked attacks occassioning bodily harm are not justified under any circumstances and provoked attacks in nearly all circumstances.

I don't see how the law is ****** up in this instance.

You can't do anything this more in this country it is a nanny state, the law is ****ed because the person who is out there looking to start a fight with a guy because he is an AFL player gets off. It is ridiculous that because he does some boxing training as an AFL player he is looked on more harshly by the law, does this mean anyone who does boxing training as a form of exercise should get treated more harshly. It is not like he is a pro or even amateur boxer. Personally I do not see how this got to court you start a fight and you lose how cares move on. It is not like Krak who was kicking the guy on the ground.

 

[Seedsfan]

Unfortunately too many people have died from a single punch and the perpertrators have got off lightly in the courts. He will probably not get off as lightly as some of those in the recent past.

As to whether he is retained or delisted by Collingwood, I'd like to see them support him if possible. But it depends how long he is banged away for, its a football club and you cant leave a player on your list indefinitely is he is not going to be playing football. GBH is not something that you are going to get a fine or suspended sentence for, its at the very upper end of the scale.

That is not how the law works, if they try and make an example out of him Marley will appeal and get the sentence downgraded as the sentence he gets needs to fall in the the normal range

 

[4#Didak#4]

Well that is really bad news. I don't condone his actions but certainly understand them. Anyone who has been out and confrtonted in those circumstances will know that shit happens.I can't say that I wouldn't have proivided some premptive defensive action either when you are 1 to 3.

In the end as you get older you get wiser - its a case of don't put yourself in that situation...a.k.a don't go out in W.A. its just as bad as going out in King street, expect trouble. Thats probably what I am most disappointed about.

Sentencing is a big concern, especially in the current environment surrounding late night punch ons. I am bracing myself for jail time. The tester is going to be Murray Newman who is up on 7/3 to be sentenced - a West Coast player, also for GBH. Murray perhaps had a bit more pre-meditation involved but the end result the same - a broken jaw. Its hard to see Marley get off if Murray doesn't. However I would expect a slightly lighter sentence. If he does get time is it year over or career over? Depends how much time I guess. For now I will quietly remove him from my supercoach team and replace him with Heath Shaw.

The worst case scenario is what happened to Andrew Krakouer whose assault was certainly in a higher seriousness category. He got 16 months. Given attention on these type of assaults and the high profile nature of it, even if the seriousness is less than Kraks, my fear is he could get a similar sentence. Any sentence he gets will be appealed I suspect and be pushed for "suspended" sentence, but I don't like his chances. The test case will be Murray Newman. The good I take from this is Krak made it back, albeit at a different club.

 

[Seedsfan]

Well that is really bad news. I don't condone his actions but certainly understand them. Anyone who has been out and confrtonted in those circumstances will know that shit happens.I can't say that I wouldn't have proivided some premptive defensive action either when you are 1 to 3.

In the end as you get older you get wiser - its a case of don't put yourself in that situation...a.k.a don't go out in W.A. its just as bad as going out in King street, expect trouble. Thats probably what I am most disappointed about.

Sentencing is a big concern, especially in the current environment surrounding late night punch ons. I am bracing myself for jail time. The tester is going to be Murray Newman who is up on 7/3 to be sentenced - a West Coast player, also for GBH. Murray perhaps had a bit more pre-meditation involved but the end result the same - a broken jaw. Its hard to see Marley get off if Murray doesn't. However I would expect a slightly lighter sentence. If he does get time is it year over or career over? Depends how much time I guess. For now I will quietly remove him from my supercoach team and replace him with Heath Shaw.

The worst case scenario is what happened to Andrew Krakouer whose assault was certainly in a higher seriousness category. He got 16 months. Given attention on these type of assaults and the high profile nature of it, even if the seriousness is less than Kraks, my fear is he could get a similar sentence. Any sentence he gets will be appealed I suspect and be pushed for "suspended" sentence, but I don't like his chances. The test case will be Murray Newman. The good I take from this is Krak made it back, albeit at a different club.

No way he can get the same as Krak, didn't Krak chase the guy down the street beat him up then start kicking him while he laid on the ground? That is alot worse

 

[Art Corvelay]

You can't do anything this more in this country it is a nanny state, the law is ****** because the person who is out there looking to start a fight with a guy because he is an AFL player gets off. It is ridiculous that because he does some boxing training as an AFL player he is looked on more harshly by the law, does this mean anyone who does boxing training as a form of exercise should get treated more harshly. It is not like he is a pro or even amateur boxer. Personally I do not see how this got to court you start a fight and you lose how cares move on. It is not like Krak who was kicking the guy on the ground.

What "fight"? From what I can tell, if the articles are accurate, some form of altercation happened in the toilets, the guys left, Marley went outside looking for them and broke a guys jaw who was standing with his arms crossed. Anger, a bruised ego and drunkenness are a bad mix at the best of times.