Marriage equality debate - The plebiscite is on its way. (Cont in Pt 3)

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That's presuming you get one, that it actually arrives at the return address, that irs not stolen or physically damaged.
There's a reason we don't vote like this, a reason "snail mail" is declining and a reason the census is moving online.
It's inefficient and too many points of failure.

But the guy who resigned via fax, probably knew all of that - as long as the 80 year old in Griffith gets to cast their vote in a survey, deciding the lives of others - that's the main thing!
The survey is a metaphor for this government: inefficient, outdated, designed to disenfranchise youth, driven by a hateful bunch of far right loonies, a waste of taxpayers $'s, completely unnecessary and should never be considered again.

If these campaigners dont allow a free vote at the end of this debacle, regardless of the result, then they deserve the wrath of the electorate and I hope the youth vote gives them a good hiding at the next election.
 

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In a recent poll in England of British Muslims,50% believed that homosexuality should be criminalised.
I wonder if this % is similar here Aus?
Religious freedom and their freedom of speech argument=bigotry
Plain and simple!
That wouldn't surprise. A lot of Muslims are just as brain damaged as many Christians who have been brought up & forced to believe in the sky fairy, but more that they will be burned forever if the don't let their religion dominate their lives. The religion that for centuries allowed children to be raped, Men to dominate their society with brutality & that killing 'non believers' is ok.

Yet the religious types keep up with their BS as if their big story book is all facts & the 'bad' things don't rate a concern. Thats the extent of their brain damaged behaviour.

So sure, go to Church or whatever, but keep out of civil society, You do it nothing but harm with your bigoted hate of humanity.

Bloody fairy storey book bashers the lot of them.
 

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Religion will not ever eradicate it so maybe it's time for most churches to accept it. In time, religion will die, but homosexuality will not. I have the utmost respect for church leaders who are embracing the yes vote and see it as progressive and refuse to condemn people because of their love for the same sex. God loves gays too if he created them, he created gays, am I right?
yes religion is slowly but surely embracing homosexuality, but that's not the same as allowing same sex marriage
 

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So as i predicted the Conservatives are already trying to kick the can down the road by calling the survey unreliable (which is correct).

The right wing of the Coalition are already laying the platform to refuse to allow a free vote. Watch this space.
 

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Had to laugh. An old work colleague posted that he was married by risdale (the convicted pedo who was protected by the Catholic Church) and now the church is trying to tell him to vote no to protect the sanctity of marriage. He used some flowery language to show what he thought of that.
 

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So as i predicted the Conservatives are already trying to kick the can down the road by calling the survey unreliable (which is correct).

The right wing of the Coalition are already laying the platform to refuse to allow a free vote. Watch this space.
It doesn't really matter. All it needs is a handful of coalition MPs to vote in favour and the bill passes the House of Reps and becomes law. The group in favour of SSM lead by Pyne can claim that the agreed process has been carried out and they can't be disciplined by the party for finally voting yes. If there was going to be a split in the party over this it would now be up to the conservatives to leave and confine themselves to oblivion by forming or joining one of the minor parties.
 

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It doesn't really matter. All it needs is a handful of coalition MPs to vote in favour and the bill passes the House of Reps and becomes law. The group in favour of SSM lead by Pyne can claim that the agreed process has been carried out and they can't be disciplined by the party for finally voting yes. If there was going to be a split in the party over this it would now be up to the conservatives to leave and confine themselves to oblivion by forming or joining one of the minor parties.
The issue is not whether a free vote would get up its whether a free vote would even be allowed. Not sure whether the pro-ssm side would cross the floor if the no side refused to allow a free vote due to the illegitimacy of the result.
 

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Where were all these No people screaming about free speech when Yassmin Abdel Magied was run out of town for her expressing her freedom of speech.

They were so quick to jump to the defence of Pansy Lai and crying foul about Getup's petition to have her unregistered, while conveniently forgetting the fact that many of the same people months earlier were calling for Yassmin to be sacked.
 

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The issue is not whether a free vote would get up its whether a free vote would even be allowed. Not sure whether the pro-ssm side would cross the floor if the no side refused to allow a free vote due to the illegitimacy of the result.
They will have neither the numbers nor the moral authority within the party room to block a free vote on it.
 

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The issue is not whether a free vote would get up its whether a free vote would even be allowed. Not sure whether the pro-ssm side would cross the floor if the no side refused to allow a free vote due to the illegitimacy of the result.
If the postal survey comes back in favour of the Yes vote, Turdbull will put it to a free parliamentary vote. End of story!
 

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If the postal survey comes back in favour of the Yes vote, Turdbull will put it to a free parliamentary vote. End of story!
Not entirely up to Turdbull he has little to no power within his own party, the party room will decide in the end.
 

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How long do you think it will be before religious institutions are forced to marry homosexuals?
Seven minutes and twenty-three seconds. Interesting thought: Nunneries getting hitched to gay people. Institutions don't get married, especially if they're religious.
 

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If the postal survey comes back in favour of the Yes vote, Turdbull will put it to a free parliamentary vote. End of story!
If parliament doesn't vote YES, despite there being a majority who are in favour, do you seriously think that will be the end of it? It will merely be the beginning of chapter 97. More fun for the government leading up to an election dominated by this topic. Lovely.
 

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You know that religion neither invented marriage nor owns it, right?
Marriage in the end is a civil contract.

Every wedding has the celebrant, minister or whatever silly hat wearing person who runs the show, have the Happy couple & witnesses sign legal documents. The wedding is NOT legal until those documents are signed, witnessed & lodged at the appropriate Government registry. The show in a church wedding, or anywhere else, means NOTHING in law. Its all about the civil contract signed by the participants & those being registered.

The brain damaged lobby voting no simply miss the whole point & are happy to 'mystify' the whole affair to suit their own hateful agenda.

God save their vicious & damaged souls.
 

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Too late, I already voted yes, so did my normally bigoted Dad. He is learning from me. He has accepted SSM and now he now longer votes One Nation. Us younger generation can still teach the old buggers the right way. :thumbsu::rainbow::p
 
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